BF2S Forums America has lost the war in Afghanistan

Same people that call Gundams Transformers. Can't trust the news.

I hope they gave the dope in the background an unloaded rifle, or he's going to shoot someone's toes off.

Lay (including self-identified history buff) hardliners like this existed before the GWB war on terror. And failed western foreign policy can be largely attributed to greed, arrogance, and a disregard for the people and history of non-western civilizations. A lot of this grief could have been avoided.

A military response to the 9-11 attacks was probably inevitable. Expanding the scope, maybe questionable.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Lay (including self-identified history buff) hardliners like this existed before the GWB war on terror. And failed western foreign policy can be largely attributed to greed, arrogance, and a disregard for the people and history of non-western civilizations. A lot of this grief could have been avoided.

A military response to the 9-11 attacks was probably inevitable. Expanding the scope, maybe questionable.

Some military response was inevitable yes. But it is definitely the "kill them all" types which enabled the government to keep expanding the conflict to other countries. Of course there were others who promoted the non-stop escalation too.

There was a big reddit thread in one of the more serious political subs where some Americans were arguing that the war was a success because we killed a lot of Afghans and people will be afraid to promote terrorism against us again. Christ, these people learned nothing.

There was a big reddit thread in one of the more serious political subs where some Americans were arguing that the war was a success because we killed a lot of Afghans and people will be afraid to promote terrorism against us again. Christ, these people learned nothing.

Same people who watched Fog of War like a football game. McNamara acts sad and remorseful (the emotional authenticity of which is questionable), and your pigman viewers grimly nod and mention Genghis Khan killing off whole cities or something. "The only way we can make these people understand!"

The military terminology sprinkled into that scene is yikes. You would need to have an alternative timeline starting decades before to make it plausible.

Why would we bomb only one city? I assume the only city in Iraq anyone knew at the time was Baghdad.

Movie was problematic for many reasons, and I think there's some rich critique out there that covers most of it. A bit of a Hallmark flavor, if Hallmark made movies largely consumed by hawks.

You can watch this next to stuff like Conspiracy, The Bunker, Secret Honor, and Falling Down alongside copious liquors if you want a resentful, boomer-themed evening filled with movies the type watches as religiously as a toddler consumes Disney cartoons, though often misinterpret.

One of the commenters laughed at the 100MT designation. Even the Tsar wasn't that destructive. I don't remember if that's the figure the movie used, I skimmed the scene when I posted it here.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

There was a big reddit thread in one of the more serious political subs where some Americans were arguing that the war was a success because we killed a lot of Afghans and people will be afraid to promote terrorism against us again. Christ, these people learned nothing.

Same people who watched Fog of War like a football game. McNamara acts sad and remorseful (the emotional authenticity of which is questionable), and your pigman viewers grimly nod and mention Genghis Khan killing off whole cities or something. "The only way we can make these people understand!"

I never watched Fog of War so I don't know how Genghis Khan is referenced in that. I am aware the the Mongols and their successor states never conquered Vietnam though. Country was too densely forested and hot.

Viewer reactilons. Meandering war buffs. McNamara talked about firebombing. "This, alongside razing cities, is a thing to be admired. Not solemnly reflected upon" sort of sentiment.

iirc the only person dfens directly killed in that movie was the Nazi (bit of a clever title reference in the scene, "I'll fall"). Don't get me wrong though, the character needed to be stopped.

I think people viewed the film the wrong way, and he became a bit of a mascot for the put-out. "I'm the bad guy?" Need slapped with a wet fish.

The 2000 years quip is a little smooth-brained. Human civilization 2000 years ago, pretty different than human civilization now. We're talking Boudica's uprising against the Romans vs. Mars robots. What will life be like in just 200 years if technological advancement proceeds apace?

judaism literally has evolved in 4000 years.

zionism, the ideology of nation-state israel, didn’t exist until the late 1800s.

before that, they were comfortable being a diaspora, ‘the wandering jew’. one such wandering jew helped to invent calculus, at the same time as newton.

in addition, many western jews became secularised and integrated in european empires. vienna was a hotbed of jewish thinkers (freud, psychology; wittgenstein, philosophy; kraus, satire; etc.). in addition to einstein and jewish physicists who, working with democratic western nations, changed science forever.  literally an entire epoch of european thought dominated by pre- or anti-zionist thinkers.

but tell me more how they haven’t evolved.

you are an illiterate moron and a cunt.

American negotiators are trying to extract assurances from the Taliban that they will not attack the U.S. Embassy in Kabul if the extremist group takes over the country’s government and ever wants to receive foreign aid, three American officials said.

The effort, led by Zalmay Khalilzad, the chief American envoy in talks with the Taliban, seeks to stave off a full evacuation of the embassy as they rapidly seize cities across Afghanistan. On Thursday, the State Department announced it was sending home an unspecified number of the 1,400 Americans stationed at the embassy and drawing down to what the agency’s spokesman, Ned Price, described as a “core diplomatic presence” in Kabul.
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Mr. Khalilzad is hoping to convince Taliban leaders that the embassy must remain open, and secure, if the group hopes to receive American financial aid and other assistance as part of a future Afghan government. The Taliban leadership has said it wants to be seen as a legitimate steward of the country, and is seeking relations with other global powers, including Russia and China, in part to receive economic support.

Again, I expected us to support the Taliban in the near future but not this quickly. Frankly we could have started doing this a decade earlier and saved a lot of money.

"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen"

conflating judaism and ‘the jews’? like conflating christianity and ‘christians’? how is that an error? i’m using the phraseology of ‘the jews’ in your own parlance, idiot. i never talk about ‘the jews’. only squint-eyed nutzoids like yourself talk like this.

judaism isn’t even 4000 years old. i’m clearly quoting your own fucking insane blather. ffs get a grip. you’re a grown man whose grasp of history is about as good as that forefinger and thumb lock you exert on your own micro penis.

you’re a cuck.

Not in any way dismissing the big part the US had to play in these wars, but other countries also had a role in Vietnam, Afghanistan. If we're cucks, you're cucks too.