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2013-05-31 03:00:53

#676

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

i never said it was objective. i said no news source is objective. objectivity is a fantastical concept, especially when it comes to forms of history/reportage. there is no single 'truth' to an event, so it follows - especially with commercial interests - that there will be no 'neutral' observer or 'objective' fact.

with that said, i really don't see how the bbc news is violated by jimmy savile. the producers and channel bosses who decide what tv exposés go out have nothing to do with the news-team or journalists working in that side of things. same 'management', sure, but since when did the management write news or do research?

2013-05-31 03:02:45

#677

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

They'll give it some direction at least, thats what directors do.

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2013-05-31 03:03:34

#678

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

you really think the BBC director has a direct involvement in what news is put out by the bbc on a daily basis? are you kidding?

2013-05-31 03:05:13

#679

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

Directors, managers of the news part, for sure.

Do you suppose these guys just do nothing all year?

Francesca Unsworth, Acting Director of News
Francesca Unsworth leads BBC Newsgathering with responsibility for the deployment, coverage and safety of over 800 journalists and operational staff operating out of more than 40 countries. She is currently Acting Director of News.

James Harding, Director of News and Current Affairs *
*James Harding's appointment to Director of News and Current Affairs was announced on Tuesday 16 April, he will take up the role in August, 2013, until such time Francesca Unsworth will continue as Acting Director of News.

Peter Horrocks, Deputy Director, News, Director, Global News
Peter Horrocks has overall editorial and managerial responsibility for Global News and is Deputy Director of News.

Sue Inglish, Head of Political Programmes
Sue Inglish has managerial and editorial responsibility for the BBC's political programmes, and news analysis and research.

Mary Hockaday, Head of Multimedia Newsroom
Mary Hockaday leads the BBC's Multimedia Newsroom and is responsible for the editorial leadership and overall management of content.

Richard Dawkins is responsible for editorial and service strategy development for BBC News and BBC Radio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/inside … alism.html

Or do you think journalists just do whatever they feel like doing on any given day?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-05-31 03:10:30)

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2013-05-31 03:11:47

#680

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

well they are not senior directors are they. you said the corporation directors - the "shared managers" across all of the bbc, and now you're giving me a list of staff from the news room? come on, make sense. you just said the senior management of the bbc control and have an involvement in every aspect of the organization. now you're giving me a list of people who have jobs specifically related to the news.

2013-05-31 03:16:44

#681

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

Those aren't simply 'staff in the newsroom', they're directors, they have responsibility, their senior directors have responsibility and give direction to the more junior directors.

The senior people don't have day to day responsibility, but they do give direction. And apparently thats what they did wrt Savile.

Come on, its not complex.

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2013-05-31 03:18:31

#682

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

lol. you seem to have a problem reading basic graphs and diagrams. directors of news from 'the news room' are not corporation directors who are responsible for covering up jimmy savile's actions over in kid's entertainment. you explicitly said that the 'senior' directors of the bbc manage all aspects of the organization in their work. now you're giving me a staff read-out of the managers specifically assigned to the news. the whole argument you are trying to make is that the bbc, as one large organization, implicated every single branch in the child abuse scandal. now you're just linking me journalists.

2013-05-31 03:24:06

#683

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

Why do they have the job title 'Director' then?

"overall editorial and managerial responsibility "
"managerial and editorial responsibility"
"editorial leadership and overall management of content"

They don't really sound exactly like journalists.
They are junior directors/senior managers, who get their direction from senior directors.

Its clear Savile was tolerated at multiple levels in the BBC, by fellow presenters, journalists, junior managers, directors, senior directors etc, so yes, the BBC as a whole has some mud on it.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-05-31 03:32:48)

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2013-05-31 05:31:17

#684

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

i do not agree that the journos producing BBC World news had a direct culpability or involvement with covering up savile's abuses. i just don't see how a writer/journo covering africa or american elections would have anything to do with their tv exposé's or management reshufflings/cover-ups. but okay. "the bbc has some mud on it". every news article they produce now is tainted by child abuse. i guess that's completely rational.

have you been reading kafka on bureaucracy?

2013-05-31 08:22:24

#685

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4412|Oklahoma

I love how in a thread about a child being shot to death Uzique is defending a confirmed child molester and supporting the news network that covered it up. You then have the NERVE to tell me I don't have any class. Look in the mirror asshole.

2013-05-31 08:25:29

#686

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

where have i defended child molesters? where am i supporting a cover up? i think it's disgusting. i just don't think that debacle makes the bbc's news service terrible. they are still an excellent source of news. if you think the work of hundreds - if not thousands - of professional journalists has been 'compromised' (or "has mud on it") because of a children's entertainer-pervert cover-up, you are fucking deluded.

i'm so glad this forum has a "conservative juggernaut" like you around, to dish out some real rational intellection. also: you don't have any class. you laugh at videos of down-and-out women being abused, you think having a slave-owning heritage is 'awesome', and you shoot road-side vermin in your spare time. you are a hick.

dunning-kruger effect, anyone?

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-05-31 08:26:25)

2013-05-31 09:53:46

#687

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4412|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
a slave-owning heritage is 'awesome

You fucking pig.

2013-05-31 09:55:46

#688

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

i guess it's easy to tell when someone has nothing else of worth to contribute, because all they do is 'troll' like an immature pre-teen.

enjoy your day.

2013-05-31 13:35:11

#689

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4412|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i guess it's easy to tell when someone has nothing else of worth to contribute, because all they do is 'troll' like an immature pre-teen.

enjoy your day.

Now you know how I've felt in 99% of my "debates".

2013-05-31 13:47:15

#690

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

no, i don't, because nobody acts this lame when they debate you. they give you rational points and you blow up and act like a manchild.

add persucution syndrome to that earlier diagnosis of dunning-kruger effect. my my aren't you a model conservative?

2013-05-31 14:02:39

#691

Extra Medium: THE UZI SLAYER; +79|4412|Oklahoma

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
no, i don't, because nobody acts this lame when they debate you.

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2013-05-31 18:18:37

#692

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i do not agree that the journos producing BBC World news had a direct culpability or involvement with covering up savile's abuses.

No-one has said they do.

i just don't see how a writer/journo covering africa or american elections would have anything to do with their tv exposé's or management reshufflings/cover-ups. but okay. "the bbc has some mud on it". every news article they produce now is tainted by child abuse.

No-one's said that either.

As a whole the organisation is somewhat tainted though, pulling news items for reasons of self-interest, and having turned a blind eye to it for decades.

That doesn't mean every sound editor is a paedo though.

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2013-06-01 05:03:25

#693

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

well then what's your point? i said bbc news is a fine news-source. you said "the bbc has dirt on it because of savile". i said "i highly doubt the savile cover-up had anything to do with ordinary bbc news journalism, or their work/reportage"; you said "yeah, i'm not saying that now". okay so then. bbc news is a fine news-source. extra medium's point about the organization's news being inherently 'untrustworthy' because of a children's entertainer cover-up is patently nonsensical. a news reporter writing on the situation in syria, or someone giving us election coverage, probably isn't someone who helped groom girls for a pop-music presenter from the 70's.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-06-01 05:03:51)

2013-06-01 06:20:56

#694

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5802

White Guy stops Black Mugger then a Black crowd Attack him, chanting "Trayvon Martin"

hate crime

2013-06-01 06:49:14

#695

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
well then what's your point? i said bbc news is a fine news-source. you said "the bbc has dirt on it because of savile". i said "i highly doubt the savile cover-up had anything to do with ordinary bbc news journalism, or their work/reportage"; you said "yeah, i'm not saying that now". okay so then. bbc news is a fine news-source. extra medium's point about the organization's news being inherently 'untrustworthy' because of a children's entertainer cover-up is patently nonsensical. a news reporter writing on the situation in syria, or someone giving us election coverage, probably isn't someone who helped groom girls for a pop-music presenter from the 70's.

Um no, extra meds brought up Savile in relation to news, I just said the BBC as an organisation has mud on it, which is potentially pervasive given the situation.

I don't really trust the BBC News any more, there are as many campaigning politicos there as anywhere else, they're just a bit more subtle.

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2013-06-01 06:49:55

#696

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,813|6322|eXtreme to the maX

Macbeth wrote:
White Guy stops Black Mugger then a Black crowd Attack him, chanting "Trayvon Martin"
hate crime

Fairly apt really.

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2013-06-01 08:02:10

#697

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6988|PNW

Macbeth wrote:
White Guy stops Black Mugger then a Black crowd Attack him, chanting "Trayvon Martin"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1mx9s2Dyi4
hate crime

Well I guess I'd better stop hating on Zimmerman now.

Look at all the racism in that video's comments. Hello, Youtube.

2013-06-01 12:21:21

#698

Roc18: `; +655|6007|PROLLLY PROLLLY PROLLLY

Macbeth wrote:
White Guy stops Black Mugger then a Black crowd Attack him, chanting "Trayvon Martin"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1mx9s2Dyi4
hate crime

lol

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2013-06-20 13:27:27

#699

13/f/taiwan: Member; +940|5915

A jury of six women was chosen Thursday to hear the case of George Zimmerman, the Florida neighborhood watch volunteer accused of murder in the 2012 killing of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin.

Five of the six are white. They were chosen from among a pool of 500 potential jurors in the closely watched case against Zimmerman, who faces a second-degree murder charge in Martin's death.

In addition, four alternates -- two women, two men, all white -- also will hear testimony.

Zimmerman says he shot the 17-year-old Martin in self-defense in a scuffle in his Sanford, Florida, neighborhood, but prosecutors accuse him of unjustly profiling and killing Martin. An initial decision by police not to pursue charges in the case led to the dismissal of the town's police chief and sparked fresh debates about race relations and gun laws in the United States. Zimmerman is Hispanic; Martin was African-American.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/20/justice/f … index.html

2013-06-20 14:04:23