Bertster7 wrote:
If anything it's the UNs job. Vetoing resolutions designed to put more political pressure on Israel is counter productive, and unless I'm mistaken this is exactly what this thread is about. Without US support on the security council then more pressure would have been put on Israel over the years.
I really don't get what's stopping everyone from acting OUTSIDE of the UN then. The EU, for example, accounts for about 30% of Israel's exports and 50% of Israel's imports. It's ridiculous to assume that the US in itself could stop 90% of the world from imposing sanctions on Israel on their own accord. Why don't they?
Bertster7 wrote:
No one is talking about these changes being forcibly imposed by any foreign force, no one is talking about bombing Israel - just about keeping up the political pressure on them. Surely you can accept that one country routinely taking land from another and displacing the people who lived there is completely out of order and is something that deserves to be condemned on the international stage, so why are resolutions to condemn this behaviour, yet again, being vetoed?
Neither was I advocating bombing Israel. The most effective thing you could do is block trade.
Bertster7 wrote:
You're saying it won't be so easy to draw lines, shake hands and walk off? Based on what? It's happened before perfectly successfully. If you think it's a case of Israel either absorbing Palestine or there not being a state of Israel, then you are delusional and have been completely taken in by the Zionist rhetoric designed to make people think exactly that.
As I said, Palestine won't be able to sustain itself. Their unemployment rate now is almost 30%, and that won't vanish if Israel goes back to '67 borders and builds a wall around itself. Who do you think the Palestinians are going to blame for their continued suffering, knowing that reverting borders will solve literally nothing for them? Palestine is almost completely landlocked and will be 100% dependant on Israel for economic gains.
Lastly, I feel that the UN would not put pressure on Israel (not noticeable pressure anyway). Know how they handled every single other ethnic group that wanted to be seperated from a country? They did fucking nothing, time and time again - and worst of all, it doesn't even get attention as compared to Israel/Palestine. Tens, if not hundreds of millions of people right now in the same or worse conditions than the Palestinians and nobody gives a shit about them.
Just read their statement on Ghadaffi bombing his own people;
UN Security Council statement:
The members of the Security Council expressed grave concern at the situation in Libya. They condemned the violence and use of force against civilians, deplored the repression against peaceful demonstrators, and expressed deep regret at the deaths of hundreds of civilians. They called for an immediate end to the violence and for steps to address the legitimate demands of the population, including through national dialogue.
The members of the Security Council called on the Government of Libya to meet its responsibility to protect its population. They called upon the Libyan authorities to act with restraint, to respect human rights and international humanitarian law, and to allow immediate access for international human rights monitors and humanitarian agencies.
The members of the Security Council called for international humanitarian assistance to the people of Libya and expressed concern at the reports of shortages of medical supplies to treat the wounded. They strongly urged the Libyan authorities to ensure the safe passage of humanitarian and medical supplies and humanitarian workers into the country.
The members of the Security Council underlined the need for the government of Libya to respect the freedom of peaceful assembly and of expression, including freedom of the press. They called for the immediate lifting of restrictions on all forms of the media.
The members of the Security Council stressed the importance of accountability. They underscored the need to hold to account those responsible for attacks, including by forces under their control, on civilians.
The members of the Security Council expressed deep concern about the safety of foreign nationals in Libya. They urged the Libyan authorities and all relevant parties to ensure the safety of all foreign nationals and facilitate the departure of those wishing to leave the country. The members of the Security Council will continue to follow the situation closely.
What a pile of shit, fuck the UN.
