L4D2 is way better than some Star Trek crap.
Way cheaper too.
Way cheaper too.
£3 isn't what i'd call way cheaper.
Although yes it does seem rather odd that i'm willing to spend £30 on a model starship when I refuse to spend the same on a game that i'd no doubt play for well over a hundred hours. But oh well.
Although yes it does seem rather odd that i'm willing to spend £30 on a model starship when I refuse to spend the same on a game that i'd no doubt play for well over a hundred hours. But oh well.
Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2009-11-03 06:58:41)
all these worthless drops and gimmicky shit-features...
makes me wish they would just finish the fucking class updates already.
the tf2 design team seem to be a bunch of hyperactive kids with ADHD just clinging desperately to a new idea for 5 minutes each week. they started the idea of class achievements/updates over a year ago now and where are we? oh yeah, world of teamcraft random drop-system and hats promoting other half-baked half-developed shitty games are flooding our update news. yawn. huge disappointment.
makes me wish they would just finish the fucking class updates already.
the tf2 design team seem to be a bunch of hyperactive kids with ADHD just clinging desperately to a new idea for 5 minutes each week. they started the idea of class achievements/updates over a year ago now and where are we? oh yeah, world of teamcraft random drop-system and hats promoting other half-baked half-developed shitty games are flooding our update news. yawn. huge disappointment.
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Well one thing to keep in mind is just how much damage can be done with a misjudged Soldier or Demoman update.
I assume you're one of those people.Ty wrote:
Oh bitch bitch bitch. To be honest the gore alone is worth putting a 2 on the end. There are few things more satisfying than engulfing yourself in a mob of zombies and cutting yourself out like a psychopathic lawnmower.DefCon-17 wrote:
At least now we'll know who wasted $45 on L4D1.5.
Again, a moment of silence for our Australian friends.
I still haven't heard one good reason from anyone why L4D2 is worth that much.
They usually link me to that stupid comic about sports games that doesn't apply to me anyways.
Last edited by DefCon-17 (2009-11-03 08:35:20)
so that's an excuse for not finishing their fucking game? developer timidity? are you shitting me? they should know what they're fucking doing with their own game.Spidery_Yoda wrote:
Well one thing to keep in mind is just how much damage can be done with a misjudged Soldier or Demoman update.
"we would add an ending to the new call of duty: modern warfare 2, but the responsibility and task of finishing the game satisfactorily proved too much of a burden. please enjoy the unfinished content".
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At least they are actively updating the game with new things though. I'm sure they will finish with the class updates. Sure they could have been quicker maybe but it's better that they take longer and balance it from the start.
What other developer puts this much time and effort into patches after the game has been out this long?
What other developer puts this much time and effort into patches after the game has been out this long?
Infinity Ward.Dauntless wrote:
At least they are actively updating the game with new things though. I'm sure they will finish with the class updates. Sure they could have been quicker maybe but it's better that they take longer and balance it from the start.
What other developer puts this much time and effort into patches after the game has been out this long?
laugh
don't fuck with me dauntless IW is jesus.Dauntless wrote:
laugh
Valve just feels so much more in touch with the community than any other developer.
Infinity ward.Dauntless wrote:
Valve just feels so much more in touch with the community than any other developer.
i recognize your sarcasm, miggle... but dauntless? are you a master satirist?Miggle wrote:
Infinity ward.Dauntless wrote:
Valve just feels so much more in touch with the community than any other developer.
valve arent in touch with the tf2 community anymore, and havent been for a long while. since when were the tf2 forums full of people begging for useless, superficial hats and medals? since when was there a 100,000 person steam group petitioning for the overhaul of EARNED weapons/achievements, arguing in support for a random-drop, MMO system? valve lost the plot with tf2 a while back, and the (competitive and casual) community have suffered as a result.
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Bill's Beret annoys the shit out of me.
Why? Because it probably would have made a good hat for the soldier or heavy alone as one of them random drop thingies.
Now they are EVERYWHERE.
Why? Because it probably would have made a good hat for the soldier or heavy alone as one of them random drop thingies.
Now they are EVERYWHERE.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
All I was saying was don't be suprised if you were much happier before the Soldier or Demoman updates if they are done poorly. I'm sure most people feel that way about the Scout Update.Uzique wrote:
so that's an excuse for not finishing their fucking game? developer timidity? are you shitting me? they should know what they're fucking doing with their own game.Spidery_Yoda wrote:
Well one thing to keep in mind is just how much damage can be done with a misjudged Soldier or Demoman update.
"we would add an ending to the new call of duty: modern warfare 2, but the responsibility and task of finishing the game satisfactorily proved too much of a burden. please enjoy the unfinished content".
I wasn't making excuses for anyone.
I couldn't give a shit about the hat or random drop system, anyway they may get some things wrong but which developer do you think is doing a better job?
Infinity Ward.Dauntless wrote:
I couldn't give a shit about the hat or random drop system, anyway they may get some things wrong but which developer do you think is doing a better job?
infinity ward because they're actually making tons of money for their shitty decisions, whilst somehow (miraculously) managing to maintain a massive number of players.
valve are just killing the community for a game that, very briefly during its early days, had a glimpse of real competitive and community success. their strategic decisions in development have ensured that TF2 will never be the next cod1/cod2/bf2 at LAN, instead it's becoming increasingly more niche and disappointingly more random and shit.
valve are just killing the community for a game that, very briefly during its early days, had a glimpse of real competitive and community success. their strategic decisions in development have ensured that TF2 will never be the next cod1/cod2/bf2 at LAN, instead it's becoming increasingly more niche and disappointingly more random and shit.
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Uzique, the TF2 team has been spending the vast majority of its time on L4D2. $25 million ad campaigns don't create themselves
I can only hope that they have at least been using all this time for coming up with some good ideas for unlocks. The fact that they've been testing community ideas and have even implemented some of them gives me a bit of faith that they won't fuck up the next update as badly as they did with the sniper+spy one.
I can only hope that they have at least been using all this time for coming up with some good ideas for unlocks. The fact that they've been testing community ideas and have even implemented some of them gives me a bit of faith that they won't fuck up the next update as badly as they did with the sniper+spy one.
You will never find me linking to CAD to prove a point. Ever.DefCon-17 wrote:
I assume you're one of those people.Ty wrote:
Oh bitch bitch bitch. To be honest the gore alone is worth putting a 2 on the end. There are few things more satisfying than engulfing yourself in a mob of zombies and cutting yourself out like a psychopathic lawnmower.DefCon-17 wrote:
At least now we'll know who wasted $45 on L4D1.5.
Again, a moment of silence for our Australian friends.
I still haven't heard one good reason from anyone why L4D2 is worth that much.
They usually link me to that stupid comic about sports games that doesn't apply to me anyways.
To be honest I think it's kind of like beer. Sure you've been happy to drink that $10 a dozen cheap piss you've been drinking all your life and you're happy about it. Then someone like me comes along to give you some really good beers and tells you to drink it out of a glass rather than a bottle you philistine and you do and say "So what's the big deal? It's just beer."
THEN you go back to drinking your cheap piss and think "urgh, this is awful". You notice the difernce when you go back to what you're used to. Kind of. That analogy worked slightly better in my head.
Not saying that L4D is awful but it is not as good as L4D2, (at least from what the Demo shows,) and you only really get that by playing a bit of L4D2. I could say that the graphics are better, the gore effects are better, the AI Director has new toys, the new characters are good, the new SI are all well created, the new weapons are varied and fun, the melee combat is surprisingly fun and effective, the level design is good etc. etc. etc. but that amounts to nothing because you're still left with a sense of "So why is it any better/different than L4D1?"
DefCon I'll give you my Steam login once the game comes out so you can play it. It's really the only way to "get" L4D2. Whether you like it or not and whether your opinion changes or doesn't at least you'll be informed.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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I suppose that analogy makes sense, but that still doesn't justify paying $50 for it.Ty wrote:
You will never find me linking to CAD to prove a point. Ever.DefCon-17 wrote:
I assume you're one of those people.Ty wrote:
Oh bitch bitch bitch. To be honest the gore alone is worth putting a 2 on the end. There are few things more satisfying than engulfing yourself in a mob of zombies and cutting yourself out like a psychopathic lawnmower.
Again, a moment of silence for our Australian friends.
I still haven't heard one good reason from anyone why L4D2 is worth that much.
They usually link me to that stupid comic about sports games that doesn't apply to me anyways.
To be honest I think it's kind of like beer. Sure you've been happy to drink that $10 a dozen cheap piss you've been drinking all your life and you're happy about it. Then someone like me comes along to give you some really good beers and tells you to drink it out of a glass rather than a bottle you philistine and you do and say "So what's the big deal? It's just beer."
THEN you go back to drinking your cheap piss and think "urgh, this is awful". You notice the difernce when you go back to what you're used to. Kind of. That analogy worked slightly better in my head.
Not saying that L4D is awful but it is not as good as L4D2, (at least from what the Demo shows,) and you only really get that by playing a bit of L4D2. I could say that the graphics are better, the gore effects are better, the AI Director has new toys, the new characters are good, the new SI are all well created, the new weapons are varied and fun, the melee combat is surprisingly fun and effective, the level design is good etc. etc. etc. but that amounts to nothing because you're still left with a sense of "So why is it any better/different than L4D1?"
DefCon I'll give you my Steam login once the game comes out so you can play it. It's really the only way to "get" L4D2. Whether you like it or not and whether your opinion changes or doesn't at least you'll be informed.
(To expand on that, it's like paying the same amount of money for one of those flavor packet things you put in water, as the amount you paid for the water. Horrible English, but I'm tired...)
I tried the demo tonight, but it crashed pretty fast, so I'll try again tomorrow.
But, from my 20 seconds of gameplay experience, I was happy that they added some common infected who don't die in one hit.
Last edited by DefCon-17 (2009-11-04 00:55:35)
Are they doing this again?? Was so much fun last year
Yeah I quite enjoyed it last year too. I'm hoping for the thriller taunt to make a comeback at least. And the paper bag.
That map they made for last year's Halloween has to be one of the best-looking maps for TF2. I hope they at least re-use it for this year's event.
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I'd like to see something new though.
Maybe a few achievements and a Halloween-themed weapon unlocked by getting all of them.
A throwable jack-o-lantern bomb comes to my mind.
Maybe a few achievements and a Halloween-themed weapon unlocked by getting all of them.
A throwable jack-o-lantern bomb comes to my mind.