Rosse_modest
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+76|6997|Antwerp, Flanders

raz wrote:

Eurofighter owns all in ait to air combat

Although.. It's not about the jet, it's about the PILOT.
So true. Put a Belgian F-16 pilot behind the stick of a Eurofighter and put him up against a WWII Messerschmitt.
The German oldtimer will probably win.
alf.ha
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+5|6961|Berlin/Germany
They are hard to compare,
Eurofighter is for defense, the F22 more for attacks
EF is high maneuverable but has no stealth ability, F22 has the best stealth technology

Szenario 1: EF doesent spot the F22: F22 should win, u cant fight an enemy u dont see

Szenario 2: EF spots F22: EF should win cause it would fly circles around the F22

Problem for the US and its stealth technology is that it is possible to "disable" stealth, by using many radar stations (for example mobile radar in triangle saw a F117 Nighthawk in Kosovo conflict and it got shot) and other new methods (using electromagnetic radiation, this radiation is everywhere, for examble caused by mobile phones....., and u can see airplanes by scanning this radiation, cant explain that in english and its also a technology which is not available now, dont know exactly but heard about it).
unnamednewbie13
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+2,053|6992|PNW

General Townes will just power up his star-shaped laser grid and own all the other Generals and their silly air power.

"I've drawn the line in the sand, General! Heh. Dare to cross it?"

*for the uneducated, this is a C&C reference*
JimKong
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+31|6863|Ohio

Flavius Aetius wrote:

I really don't think the F-22 is primarily built for bombing missions, its not built as a bomber at all... It can, but so can most planes. Why would it have thrust vectoring and everything else that makes it a fighter just to bomb stuff?
The F-22 can do every mission. The FB-22 will own at bombing.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … /fb-22.htm
JimKong
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+31|6863|Ohio

B.Schuss wrote:

I guess the F-22 is more advanced, considering development for the Eurofighter began that long ago ( wasn't it in the 80's ? ).
The F-22 took it's first flight a few weeks before the Gulf War. It was planned for a few years after the F-15 came out. Development began in 1981.

http://www.f22fighter.com/timeline.htm
JimKong
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+31|6863|Ohio

elite wrote:

nah man, the eurofighter is i think, the pilot can lock onto his target by using his helmet, n shit
Had it.

http://www.vsi-hmcs.com/pages_hmcs/02_jhm.html
shyuechou
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+5|6859|Singapore
The F-22 has supercruise while the Eurofighter has limited supercruise.

The F-22 has stealth while the Eurofighter has limited stealth.

The F-22 is built mainly for air superiority while the Eurofighter is multi-role. Basically, the Eurofighter will be shot out of the skies. Sorry.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6895|Canberra, AUS

shyuechou wrote:

The F-22 has supercruise while the Eurofighter has limited supercruise.

The F-22 has stealth while the Eurofighter has limited stealth.

The F-22 is built mainly for air superiority while the Eurofighter is multi-role. Basically, the Eurofighter will be shot out of the skies. Sorry.
I don't think this will matter, unless the US turns on Europe in a big way (which I doubt). We should be comparing it to things like the SU-34 etc.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Cybargs
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+2,285|6937

Rosse_modest wrote:

raz wrote:

Eurofighter owns all in ait to air combat

Although.. It's not about the jet, it's about the PILOT.
So true. Put a Belgian F-16 pilot behind the stick of a Eurofighter and put him up against a WWII Messerschmitt.
The German oldtimer will probably win.
u gotta be kidding me...

the belgian f16 pilot would win, why? hes a lot faster and the old ww2 messerschmitt would lose since it cannot keep up... 1 missile lock and the old timer is dead

back on topic

when i mean f-22 bomb shit outta ppl... i mean planes lol ma bad. f-22 just dominates the sky, if your army/air force cant control the sky, u have a high chance of losing
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B.Schuss
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+664|7062|Cologne, Germany

JimKong wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

I guess the F-22 is more advanced, considering development for the Eurofighter began that long ago ( wasn't it in the 80's ? ).
The F-22 took it's first flight a few weeks before the Gulf War. It was planned for a few years after the F-15 came out. Development began in 1981.

http://www.f22fighter.com/timeline.htm
well, there you go. So I'd say development for both aircrafts began at about the same time, give or take a year or so.

Obviously, both aircraft were designed with different design philosophies and with regard to different tactical requirements / roles, so I'd still say a comparison doesn't make much sense. With the stealth technology and supercruise the F-22 looks to be more advanced from a technological POV, but I guess both aircraft will perform well according to their tactical requirements.

The comparison to the Nascar and F1 cars is quite good in that regard. Both are great cars, simply built for different racing environments.
Cybargs
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+2,285|6937

B.Schuss wrote:

JimKong wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

I guess the F-22 is more advanced, considering development for the Eurofighter began that long ago ( wasn't it in the 80's ? ).
The F-22 took it's first flight a few weeks before the Gulf War. It was planned for a few years after the F-15 came out. Development began in 1981.

http://www.f22fighter.com/timeline.htm
The comparison to the Nascar and F1 cars is quite good in that regard. Both are great cars, simply built for different racing environments.
thats what i said a few posts ago... u saw that on discover or national geographic didnt u
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Rosse_modest
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+76|6997|Antwerp, Flanders

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Rosse_modest wrote:

raz wrote:

Eurofighter owns all in ait to air combat

Although.. It's not about the jet, it's about the PILOT.
So true. Put a Belgian F-16 pilot behind the stick of a Eurofighter and put him up against a WWII Messerschmitt.
The German oldtimer will probably win.
u gotta be kidding me...

the belgian f16 pilot would win, why? hes a lot faster and the old ww2 messerschmitt would lose since it cannot keep up... 1 missile lock and the old timer is dead

back on topic

when i mean f-22 bomb shit outta ppl... i mean planes lol ma bad. f-22 just dominates the sky, if your army/air force cant control the sky, u have a high chance of losing
You are SERIOUSLY overestimating the competence and ability of our fighter pilots. They get themselves killed quite frequently without any hostile air, land or naval forces in range.

The mere psychological pressure of an airborne enemy presence will make them smack into the ground.
elite
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+89|6935|Sheffield, England
Actually the eurofighter was designed for air to air combat, and is probably the best in the world, its never been tested but i reackon its gonna be nuber 1 in the skies.
raz
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+22|6884|England, UK
I mean using a even REMOTELY 21st century jet.. Which armed forces uses WWII propellar plains? lolz
-EcS-Blade
Mr.Speakman
+153|6861|Manchester UK

elite wrote:

the most advanced plane ever made just come into british service the other day

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … mp;pl=true

cant wait to see this beast in action
lol ive seen this thing do a a small display at an air show. Also a B-2 spirit came over the air field escorted by 2 F-15s man tht was cool
Flavius Aetius
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+3|6890|Stalking Chuck Norris
whats the cost of an EF vs the cost of the F-22?
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|6997|Antwerp, Flanders

raz wrote:

I mean using a even REMOTELY 21st century jet.. Which armed forces uses WWII propellar plains? lolz
The Belgian Military Air Force component probably has some WWII propeller planes in reserve, in case all F16s have crashed.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6935|US
Here is some more information on the F-22
www.f-22raptor.com

And a comparison of various aircraft versus an upgraded Su-27 (read Su-35)
http://www.eurofighter-typhoon.co.uk/Eu … r/tech.php

So, according to the British government, the F/A-22 is the best air-to-air platform.  The EF-2000 ranks second, blowing all others (except the F/A-22) out of the water.

I would be happy to fly either, but I would prefer the F/A-22
shyuechou
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+5|6859|Singapore

Flavius Aetius wrote:

whats the cost of an EF vs the cost of the F-22?
Last I heard?

EF-2000 - 60-80 million dollars
F-22 - 200 million dollars
shyuechou
Member
+5|6859|Singapore
Even a F-22 can have a bad day. Here are images of the F-22 in the gunsights of a F/A-18F during simulated combat.

http://www.strategypage.com/messageboar … -33303.asp

Generally, the F-22 is extremely difficult to shoot down and is probably the most formidable air-to-air platform in the world today.
Cybargs
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+2,285|6937

shyuechou wrote:

Even a F-22 can have a bad day. Here are images of the F-22 in the gunsights of a F/A-18F during simulated combat.

http://www.strategypage.com/messageboar … -33303.asp

Generally, the F-22 is extremely difficult to shoot down and is probably the most formidable air-to-air platform in the world today.
i agree, strategy page is a good source for military info.

F22 > all for now
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