JohnG@lt wrote:
I definitely prefer the condensing they did in BC2 of classes. 7 was way too much and as Doc said, they were overlapping and redundant.
Yet as previously stated, I for one found their play styles completely different. Compressing them into four classes was unnecessary in a way that, at least to me, would be as unnecessary as removing all but one pindown special infected from L4D2 because multiple kinds of pindown are redundant. Also, medic with an LMG = .unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I think we can safely agree to disagree.
Seriously, how many Pro BF2 teams fielded all AT or Engineer classes at competitions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Half of the classes in BF2 were effectively useless. The AT class was probably the least used. It gimped you far too much. Engineer class was used almost exclusively by vehicle whores. Spec Ops was useful a handful of times per map. Healing from a medic kit is just too fucking lolzy, same for ammo crates.
Perks were meh but the customization that could be done within a class completely blew BF2 out of the water. Want to be a hunter with recon instead of sitting in a bush? Break out the VSS or shotguns.
Now, the only 'class' that didn't make a whole lot of sense in BC2 was the medic class. Giving them machine guns was kind of If they'd swapped the primary weapons of assault and medic it would've made a lot more sense and perhaps have been balanced better. I don't think any of us appreciate infinite noobtubing.
Competition makes up what % of the game play experience?Ilocano wrote:
Seriously, how many Pro BF2 teams fielded all AT or Engineer classes at competitions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Half of the classes in BF2 were effectively useless. The AT class was probably the least used. It gimped you far too much. Engineer class was used almost exclusively by vehicle whores. Spec Ops was useful a handful of times per map. Healing from a medic kit is just too fucking lolzy, same for ammo crates.
Perks were meh but the customization that could be done within a class completely blew BF2 out of the water. Want to be a hunter with recon instead of sitting in a bush? Break out the VSS or shotguns.
Now, the only 'class' that didn't make a whole lot of sense in BC2 was the medic class. Giving them machine guns was kind of If they'd swapped the primary weapons of assault and medic it would've made a lot more sense and perhaps have been balanced better. I don't think any of us appreciate infinite noobtubing.
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My point was that, in competition, medic was the dominant class.JohnG@lt wrote:
Competition makes up what % of the game play experience?Ilocano wrote:
Seriously, how many Pro BF2 teams fielded all AT or Engineer classes at competitions.JohnG@lt wrote:
Half of the classes in BF2 were effectively useless. The AT class was probably the least used. It gimped you far too much. Engineer class was used almost exclusively by vehicle whores. Spec Ops was useful a handful of times per map. Healing from a medic kit is just too fucking lolzy, same for ammo crates.
Perks were meh but the customization that could be done within a class completely blew BF2 out of the water. Want to be a hunter with recon instead of sitting in a bush? Break out the VSS or shotguns.
Now, the only 'class' that didn't make a whole lot of sense in BC2 was the medic class. Giving them machine guns was kind of If they'd swapped the primary weapons of assault and medic it would've made a lot more sense and perhaps have been balanced better. I don't think any of us appreciate infinite noobtubing.
And I was in an I/O clan.
Ahh. DuhIlocano wrote:
My point was that, in competition, medic was the dominant class.JohnG@lt wrote:
Competition makes up what % of the game play experience?Ilocano wrote:
Seriously, how many Pro BF2 teams fielded all AT or Engineer classes at competitions.
And I was in an I/O clan.
As MEC you could play support with the RPK and earn points from supplying all of the medics, but that was about it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Was there ever any reason to play anything besides medic? Points per map were ridiculously higher with the class than with any other.
that plus the fact the rpk was an absolute rapestick at everything in all scenariosTopHat01 wrote:
As MEC you could play support with the RPK and earn points from supplying all of the medics, but that was about it.JohnG@lt wrote:
Was there ever any reason to play anything besides medic? Points per map were ridiculously higher with the class than with any other.
I still disagree. All of them could make a difference. Only the uncreative couldn't figure out how. I/O did throw the class balance off quite a bit, though. The only reason to be AT or engineer in one would be to play around with shotguns.JohnG@lt wrote:
Half of the classes in BF2 were effectively useless.
There, four classes with equipment swaps that make sense to me. If I were to modify it further, I'd find a way to reduce flashbang frequency even more. Unlocks = primary weapons (by type) globally and class extras that aren't grenades and basic gear. Also, [visual] character customization through unlocks.Assault (combining assault, support and AT/AA)
- 1) knife
- 2) sidearm
- 3) choice between: [rifle mounted with GL], [SMG or shotgun + RPG], [LMG + ammo satchel], [SMG or shotgun + AA]; assault class icon given four slightly different designs for the kit choice to be immediately recognizable (helmet/rifle, AT, LMG/ammo, AA)
- 4) 4 grenade slots: [frag valued at 1 slot (max of 3)], [smoke valued at 2 slots (max of 2)], [flashbang valued at 3 slots (max of 1)]
- 5) choice between: [deployable barbed wire (~8M worth sound good?) usable once per player per game], [grappling hook (removable from hook end if more than one person is not climbing it)]
- x) note: (vehicle 'ammo aura' only available through armored and unarmored transports, land air or sea, including vehicle resupply done to self)
Medic
- 1) knife
- 2) sidearm
- 3) carbine/SMG
- 4) choice between: [two frag grenades], [one frag grenade, one smoke grenade]
- 5) BF2-style bandages (vehicle 'healing aura' only available through armored and unarmored transports, land air or sea, including vehicle healing done to self)
- 6) BF2-style shock paddles with two-max revives to any particular player regardless of source within a thirty-second span to eliminate flag-paddle circle-jerking
Engineer
- 1) knife
- 2) sidearm
- 3) SMG or shotgun
- 4) choice between: [AT mines (3 mines)], [C4 (2 packs)]
- 5) BF2-style wrench (vehicle 'healing aura' only
- x) choice between: [enhanced repair (repair aura works from any vehicle)], [2 extra mines or C4 packs]
Recon (specops and sniper)
- 1) knife
- 2) sidearm
- 3) choice between: [carbine with silencer or extra ammo], [SMG with extra ammo, with silencer or even more ammo], [marksman rifle with basic scope or silencer], [sniper rifle (with scope, of course) with extra ammo IF not .50]
- 4) 4 grenade slots: [frag valued at 1 slot (max of 4)], [smoke valued at 1 slot (max of 2)], [flashbang valued at 3 slots (max of 1)]
- 5) choice between: [C4 (4 packs)], [AP mines (1 device)]
- 6) zipline (removable only from source and destructible)
- x) choice between: [1 extra C4 pack or AP mine AND 1 extra grenade slot], [tear gas], [ghillie suit AND sporadic uav/sat jamming device (reduces grenade slots to 2)]
BF2 Modern Combat started the lmg medic trend. It is a console game thing that transmitted to PC.JohnG@lt wrote:
Half of the classes in BF2 were effectively useless. The AT class was probably the least used. It gimped you far too much. Engineer class was used almost exclusively by vehicle whores. Spec Ops was useful a handful of times per map. Healing from a medic kit is just too fucking lolzy, same for ammo crates.
Perks were meh but the customization that could be done within a class completely blew BF2 out of the water. Want to be a hunter with recon instead of sitting in a bush? Break out the VSS or shotguns.
Now, the only 'class' that didn't make a whole lot of sense in BC2 was the medic class. Giving them machine guns was kind of If they'd swapped the primary weapons of assault and medic it would've made a lot more sense and perhaps have been balanced better. I don't think any of us appreciate infinite noobtubing.
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Nah, 4-5 classes is fine by us. 6 or 7 is where it gets ridiculous. So what do you actually think?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
No! That's five classes. Much too complicated for people to take in.
I think BC2 medics are perfect (aside from having LMGs). They just need to get rid of the auto-regeneration of health.globefish23 wrote:
Hmm, I quite like that there is no more "vehicle healing aura" thingie for engineers and medics in BC2.
And I have a hunch that they will leave that out of BF3 too.
I say, no more magic daisy chains of tanks healing each other infinitely!
IMO, that's the same stupid idea of giving infinite ammo bags to the noobtube carrying class.
You ought to get out of your vehicle to repair or heal.
that was an option in BC2, regen off. I used to play a couple servers with that until I got fed up with my FoV being all fucked up by red bloody screen all the time (CoD4's shittiest contribution to the FPS genre) It's just medics focused way too much on killing to be of any help to anyone with that had low health.JohnG@lt wrote:
I think BC2 medics are perfect (aside from having LMGs). They just need to get rid of the auto-regeneration of health.globefish23 wrote:
Hmm, I quite like that there is no more "vehicle healing aura" thingie for engineers and medics in BC2.
And I have a hunch that they will leave that out of BF3 too.
I say, no more magic daisy chains of tanks healing each other infinitely!
IMO, that's the same stupid idea of giving infinite ammo bags to the noobtube carrying class.
You ought to get out of your vehicle to repair or heal.
unless it's the camperfest on valdez... I usually could get SO many heal pins just by dropping boxes off for the wookies up thereIlocano wrote:
Because of auto-regen, typically, by the time I got to a team mate that needed healing, he was already healed. At times, just ended up getting killed trying to help a team mate. Ended up, health packs are used mostly for myself. Healing others was collateral.
I thought Novalogic beat them to that.Trotskygrad wrote:
that was an option in BC2, regen off. I used to play a couple servers with that until I got fed up with my FoV being all fucked up by red bloody screen all the time (CoD4's shittiest contribution to the FPS genre)
As good as anything else, I suppose. I'm going to be self-serving and say I like mine better.War Man wrote:
Nah, 4-5 classes is fine by us. 6 or 7 is where it gets ridiculous. So what do you actually think?unnamednewbie13 wrote:
No! That's five classes. Much too complicated for people to take in.
TBH, what I actually think is that they don't need to be simplified in the first place.War Man wrote:
We all have our own preferences
I like simple. If it is easy to understand and learn, noobs end up learning how to play the game faster. You don't need too much stuff, just enough to make the game good. Oh and I haven't even gotten into proper details with the Support class's equipment options, that is a bit complex to explain for me.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
TBH, what I actually think is that they don't need to be simplified in the first place.War Man wrote:
We all have our own preferences
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cod4 didn't introduce bloody screen broTrotskygrad wrote:
that was an option in BC2, regen off. I used to play a couple servers with that until I got fed up with my FoV being all fucked up by red bloody screen all the time (CoD4's shittiest contribution to the FPS genre) It's just medics focused way too much on killing to be of any help to anyone with that had low health.JohnG@lt wrote:
I think BC2 medics are perfect (aside from having LMGs). They just need to get rid of the auto-regeneration of health.globefish23 wrote:
Hmm, I quite like that there is no more "vehicle healing aura" thingie for engineers and medics in BC2.
And I have a hunch that they will leave that out of BF3 too.
I say, no more magic daisy chains of tanks healing each other infinitely!
IMO, that's the same stupid idea of giving infinite ammo bags to the noobtube carrying class.
You ought to get out of your vehicle to repair or heal.
