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Poll

What do you think is the "best" form of Government?

Democracy59%59% - 22
Oligarchy0%0% - 0
Comminist state18%18% - 7
Dictatorship8%8% - 3
Monarchy2%2% - 1
Sochialism10%10% - 4
Total: 37
2005-12-10 17:29:08
Jeckelcopy
Ach du Sheisse!!!!
+2|6977
I wonder what you think...

Note: DO NOT vote on one option based on what actions have happend from a countries gov't (as it is one of those)

P.S. Sorry if the spelling of the last option is wrong...
2005-12-10 17:35:24
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6939|Indianapolis, IN
I love the democratic republic.
2005-12-10 17:40:39
Lib-Sl@yer
Member
+32|6930|Wherever the F**k i feel like
I luv a dem. republic, with a capitalistic economy. GO AMERICA!
2005-12-10 17:57:47
Jeckelcopy
Ach du Sheisse!!!!
+2|6977

Lib-Sl@yer wrote:

I luv a dem. republic, with a capitalistic economy. GO AMERICA!
OK...
2005-12-10 18:47:03
FeloniousMonk
Member
+0|6952
I agree with the dude above. Everyone gets a vote, majority rules, free market, protected civil liberties. Open, capitalistic economy and personal freedom coupled with personal responsibility is the way to go for me.
2005-12-10 19:04:20
Bert10099
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+177|6958|United States
Go Democracy!
2005-12-10 19:05:27
Bert10099
[]D [] []\/[] []D
+177|6958|United States
Go Democracy!
2005-12-10 19:37:33
Jeckelcopy
Ach du Sheisse!!!!
+2|6977

FeloniousMonk wrote:

I agree with the dude above. Everyone gets a vote, majority rules, free market, protected civil liberties. Open, capitalistic economy and personal freedom coupled with personal responsibility is the way to go for me.
Of course, freedoms differ from country to country...

Democracy is a system of government in which the people of a nation elect people to represent them in a higher office...there is NO correlation between democracy and civil liberties...
2005-12-10 19:41:51
[MAA]MI2
Member
+3|6990
Yeah, for example, ever seen a Constitutional Monarchy? Civil liberties, yet not a democracy
2005-12-10 19:48:14
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6992|Noizyland

Ther is no such thing as the best form of government. For example, many people despise the idea of communism, yet Cuba gets by quite well.
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2005-12-10 19:52:20
FeloniousMonk
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+0|6952

Jeckelcopy wrote:

Of course, freedoms differ from country to country...
I disagree. Freedom is freedom no matter where in the world you go. Freedom means the recognition that I am the sole owner of my body and no one gets to choose what happens to it. In that same sense I don't get to choose what happens to someone else's body because it does not belong to me.

That's freedom.

Democracy is a system of government in which the people of a nation elect people to represent them in a higher office...there is NO correlation between democracy and civil liberties...
True but any form of government without an expressed list of civil liberties that are protected (not granted) by that government is a bad idea.
2005-12-10 19:54:03
FeloniousMonk
Member
+0|6952

Tyferra wrote:

Ther is no such thing as the best form of government. For example, many people despise the idea of communism, yet Cuba gets by quite well.
No, Castro gets by quite well. The majority of the Cuban people live in poverty because they are ruled by a horrible dictator. There are many that love Cuba, I've met many Cubans that wish they'd never left. The country is also suffering due to the US's ridiculous embargo that only hurts the population, not Castro.

Few people truly want to live in Communism once they understand what it's really all about. Communism goes against human nature.
2005-12-10 20:01:14
The_Mob_Returns
Member
+72|6939|Indianapolis, IN
I could not imagine living in pure democracy.  That would be terrible.  Politicians in America do a good job of messing up the government.
2005-12-10 20:02:37
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6992|Noizyland

FeloniousMonk wrote:

Tyferra wrote:

Ther is no such thing as the best form of government. For example, many people despise the idea of communism, yet Cuba gets by quite well.
No, Castro gets by quite well. The majority of the Cuban people live in poverty because they are ruled by a horrible dictator. There are many that love Cuba, I've met many Cubans that wish they'd never left. The country is also suffering due to the US's ridiculous embargo that only hurts the population, not Castro.

Few people truly want to live in Communism once they understand what it's really all about. Communism goes against human nature.
I thought someone would bring that up. I don't disagree with it but consider this.
Every form of government benefits the already well off.
Communism was designed to help the working class, but never did. Even Capitalism, although there is generally less of a difference between working and middle/upper classes still benefits the wealthy!

Edit: And Casto's pretty good as far as dictators go really.

Last edited by Tyferra (2005-12-10 20:04:03)

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2005-12-11 07:25:04
Jeckelcopy
Ach du Sheisse!!!!
+2|6977

Tyferra wrote:

Ther is no such thing as the best form of government. For example, many people despise the idea of communism, yet Cuba gets by quite well.
True, yet I was going for people's opinion, I find no gov't is the best, they all work well enough with the correct leader(s)....
2005-12-11 10:06:12
FeloniousMonk
Member
+0|6952

Jeckelcopy wrote:

Tyferra wrote:

Ther is no such thing as the best form of government. For example, many people despise the idea of communism, yet Cuba gets by quite well.
True, yet I was going for people's opinion, I find no gov't is the best, they all work well enough with the correct leader(s)....
Yeah, the governments can work just fine with the right leaders but that doesn't mean that an oppressive government that limits personal freedoms is a good idea.
2005-12-11 10:50:32
freebirdpat
Base Rapist
+5|6970
Well since we can't use actions by a countries government as representation as you say. I would say Communism or more to the point Socialism is the best form of government. Everyone gets their fair share, fair share not always being equal though. History has shown though that communist countries typically act more like oligarchies though. The rich benefit from the poor. And I don't see it will ever be possible to establish a perfect communist/socialist state. Great idea on paper, bad in practice.

I agree with FeloniousMonk, in practice a Democratic Republic like the United States is the best way to go, it gives people what they want and the power to change it. Instead of relying on someone else in a powerful position which could last for decades in the case of monarchies, dictatorships,  oligarchies, and communist states. Where the interests of the people can be more easily neglected.
2005-12-13 00:03:53
ubersoldat...dos sniper
Member
+0|6982
no gov would be interesting.
2005-12-13 08:04:27
Nehil
Member
+3|6949|South Sweden (NOT SWITZERLAND)
Uhhh, I'd just like to point out that a communist state can be a democracy and so can a socialistic. Also of the options I think that a socialistic would be the best, we have one in my country and I think it's good. Also the best form of government is the one that doesn't exist.
2005-12-13 08:54:37
FeloniousMonk
Member
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The only reason Sweden has succeeded as a socialist state is because decades ago it's economy was heavily capitalist. Without all that money that had been made in the past Sweden never would've been able to afford a socialist economy today.

Not to mention that just about every nation in Europe enjoys social programs partly because of the United States spending nearly half a trillion dollars on international defense. Nations in the EU and around the world are able to cut their military spending and divert money to social programs because they know full well that if the shit ever hits the fan the Americans will always be there with the Marines, the aircraft carriers, and the stealth bombers.


Also the best form of government is the one that doesn't exist.
Do you mean that the ideal form of government simply isn't possible or do you mean that the best form of government is no government at all?

Last edited by FeloniousMonk (2005-12-13 08:57:31)

2005-12-13 09:03:12
Nehil
Member
+3|6949|South Sweden (NOT SWITZERLAND)
Hmm I thought that my country has nearly had a streak of socialist rule for over 40 years...Guess I was wrong thanks for learning me a lesson. We can afford it becuse we have some of the highest taxes in the world. In 1992 a more right oriented party won, after that 4 years of economic crisis followed. They lower the taxes. Strange huh? And is it our fault your country is so fucking scared that you spend so much on defense? If nobody had an army nobody could attack anyone right? I think the "biggest" army belongs to the USA right now...again, strange huh? Also the best government is the one who dosen't exist at all, like anarchy.
2005-12-13 09:13:20
CackNBallz
Member
+45|6960|Toronto, Canada
Canada is under a social-democracy and I like it that way.  The government helps out the people with various services like universal healthcare, free education up until highschool, subsidizes more than half of a student's tuition for post-secondary education. 

It seems to be working well enough.  However, the Conservatives in the country, really the western part of the country (equivalent to the "Heartland" and red states for the USA) want it to be more like America with private healthcare, corporations running more services, less social safety nets.  All these things in the end will hurt the middle and lower class workers as well as the elderly, disabled and lazy.

I may vote for the Conservatives for this upcoming election just out of spite to show everyone that a country run by Conservatives is not a good thing for Canada.  Canada is well-known because of its liberal ideologies, social services and humanitarian aid.  I think that the Liberal Pary will win yet again, but it will be even more deadlocked than before since they will have less seats in Parliament.  So... I foresee yet another short-lived minority government that isn't going to do much because they don't have enough seats to enact anything.
2005-12-13 09:13:42
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6952|California

Nehil wrote:

Hmm I thought that my country has nearly had a streak of socialist rule for over 40 years...Guess I was wrong thanks for learning me a lesson. We can afford it becuse we have some of the highest taxes in the world. In 1992 a more right oriented party won, after that 4 years of economic crisis followed. They lower the taxes. Strange huh? And is it our fault your country is so fucking scared that you spend so much on defense? If nobody had an army nobody could attack anyone right? I think the "biggest" army belongs to the USA right now...again, strange huh? Also the best government is the one who dosen't exist at all, like anarchy.
In true anarchy, I could shoot you in the head with no fear of retirbuiton.

You may be on to something.......

Also, true anarchy cannot exist because peope naturally band together to protect themselves. With that comes certain forms of leadership, henceforth, no true anarchy.

p.s.= kidding about the shooting thing, but you get the point.

Last edited by Erkut.hv (2005-12-13 09:15:10)

2005-12-13 09:19:45
Nehil
Member
+3|6949|South Sweden (NOT SWITZERLAND)
I know you could, but if there ever would be a anarchy I think people wouldn't even do that. If you could shoot me without any punishment, would you? Why do you have to protect yourself from? Those crazy commies? Those fucking arabs? Well I promise you that I would never hurt you, so you can rule me out.

 

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