euro forces would be better if EA refunded me my money and still let me play it. apart from that its ok i just dont play it much cos i think AF IS BETTER.
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What would make Euro Forces better?
| More vehicles, too much U.S. equipment. | 9% | 9% - 30 | ||||
| More vehicles and another PLA vs. EF map. | 14% | 14% - 48 | ||||
| It's ok just as it is. | 4% | 4% - 14 | ||||
| I don't care. | 4% | 4% - 14 | ||||
| It can never be good, EA messed up on this one. | 7% | 7% - 23 | ||||
| Make it free, then people might play it. | 34% | 34% - 113 | ||||
| Have some maps featured in Europe. | 25% | 25% - 85 | ||||
| Total: 327 | ||||||
Things that need replacing -
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HMMWV - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Bell 212
F15 - JAS Gripen
More like that?
Then list all other possibilities
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HMMWV - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Bell 212
F15 - JAS Gripen
More like that?
Then list all other possibilities
Things that need replacing -
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HUMVEE - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Bell 212 or Sea King
F15 - JAS Gripen
Maybe the Sea King is a better replacement for the Blackhawk than the Bell?
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HUMVEE - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Bell 212 or Sea King
F15 - JAS Gripen
Maybe the Sea King is a better replacement for the Blackhawk than the Bell?
yeah i think that could be right, final line up
Things that need replacing -
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HUMVEE - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Sea King
F15 - JAS Gripen
and then put the other choices in a seletion at the end
just get some other people's opinions and then type it up with all the other choices, and then get the sigs. i think that we really should do this, it could help gameplay for the EF booster pack and extend the lifespan of the whole game.
Things that need replacing -
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HUMVEE - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Sea King
F15 - JAS Gripen
and then put the other choices in a seletion at the end
just get some other people's opinions and then type it up with all the other choices, and then get the sigs. i think that we really should do this, it could help gameplay for the EF booster pack and extend the lifespan of the whole game.
Last edited by Fld_Mrsl_Arts (2006-07-25 05:22:40)
Not having to pay for those flaming maps. I would have taken them for free. Now I just feel dupped. Those maps blow hard.
Let's wait for Hellogoodsir and Snakes opinions.Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:
yeah i think that could be right, final line up
Things that need replacing -
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HUMVEE - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Sea King
F15 - JAS Gripen
and then put the other choices in a seletion at the end
just get some other people's opinions and then type it up with all the other choices, and then get the sigs. i think that we really should do this, it could help gameplay for the EF booster pack and extend the lifespan of the whole game.
Here is all the vehicles and weapons on Wikipedia.
LMG - HK21E http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK21E
Stinger - Mistral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_missile
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-4
92FS - P8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P8_pistol
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/MGWIFAV.html
HUMVEE - MLV http://www.army-technology.com/projects/future/
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZA_Loara
Blackhawk - Sea King http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_Sea_King
F15 - JAS Gripen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAS_39_Gripen
Last edited by Kratos Aurion (2006-07-25 10:41:56)
That list is perfectKratos Aurion wrote:
Let's wait for Hellogoodsir and Snakes opinions.Fld_Mrsl_Arts wrote:
yeah i think that could be right, final line up
Things that need replacing -
LMG - HK21E
Stinger - Mistral
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4
92FS - P8
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV
HUMVEE - MLV
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara
Blackhawk - Sea King
F15 - JAS Gripen
and then put the other choices in a seletion at the end
just get some other people's opinions and then type it up with all the other choices, and then get the sigs. i think that we really should do this, it could help gameplay for the EF booster pack and extend the lifespan of the whole game.
Here is all the vehicles and weapons on Wikipedia.
LMG - HK21E http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK21E
Stinger - Mistral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_missile
TOW - MILAN II
SRAW - AT4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-4
92FS - P8 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P8_pistol
DPV/FAV - Mercedes G-Wagon IFAV http://www.bellum.nu/armoury/MGWIFAV.html
HUMVEE - MLV http://www.army-technology.com/projects/future/
LAV-25 - Warrior IFV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrior_IFV
Linebacker - PZA Loara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZA_Loara
Blackhawk - Sea King http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-3_Sea_King
F15 - JAS Gripen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAS_39_Gripen
Would only comment that Id like to see the British Land Rovers in place of the hummers since Im English
thank you very much, i and kratos both put a lot of effort into that, but the replacement that i put down for the HMMWV is the replacement (in real life) for the landrover, and also just in terms of making it (if EA do this) then it looks quite similar to the HMMWV in game, so they would have a head start. but i think that it would be kl too, but the landrovers are getting a little old. (i am english too ) i cant wait for their opinions, i hope that they both like our idea and the work that we put into it
Last edited by Fld_Mrsl_Arts (2006-07-25 15:22:30)
Yes good work! Thank you for the linkage to wikipedia. I'm going to include this in, well, something big I've wrote. I'm going to need some last minute suggestions, but watch for my new thread and reply there.
what are the IPs of those servers...ive been looking for servers that play euroforces...i can never find them....Snake wrote:
I have 5 EF servers in my favourites - 3 of them are 64man size and they are full pretty much most of the time I check there. Always get good games on them.
In my opinion, EF needs a bit more than mentioned. At the end of the day, this game is about stats. Stats stats and more stats. Thats why karkand is the "be all and end all map" and why its all about MEC and USMC. Also, because the PLA dont appear in any "city maps"...well, other than Great Wall I suppose - but that doesnt count because its part of EF.
If EA wanted to make Euro Force more popular, then theyd have done:
1) EU weapons and vehicles, like Hellogoodsir mentioned above with the Humvee, M249's etc. I mean, the British armoured land rover would have been perfect for the humvees replacement.
Although, since they are supposed to be allied with the USMC like in modern day life, do you ever see the British Army driving American Humvees around Iraq? No. You dont.
2) More medals and ribbons to earn....no guesses as to why. I think the original 250hours for the medal was just insane and for those stats whores - that was a big no no.
Even with it being reduced....theres only 1 to earn since the ribbon seems to be non existant.
3) The maps are "tank maps" - i.e. not infantry maps. Since everyone loves karkand, and a lot of the rest on Sharqi and Mashtuur...who is going to like Smoke and Taraba? They are the same deal. Personally, I think Smoke is one of the best maps in the game. But of course, PLA is underplayed because they have no Infantry maps....same deal with EU. Its sad.
4) I agree about them actually being based in Europe - would be ace to fight around Paris or something (maybe blow up the Eiffel Tower ) - something like that.
Although, I dont mind the one fighting in the desert on Smoke - since I suppose they would be over there in that part of the world securing Bushes Oil.
Although, I actually like it as it is. Its an awesome addon. But sometimes, you do just think "wtf"
+1 for starting this topic...I was gona do something similar!
Simple. Don't charge your customers for what has traditionally been free material. When 'normal' game houses release an expansion that actually costs money, it has some substance to it, but 3 maps and a few new textures (plus a little math for bullet drop etc), does not an expansion make.
Both booster packs and SF suffer from the same problem. More people would rather whore the fuck out of Karkand and a few others (Hooray virtual stats) than pay 10-30 bucks for new material. The maps all have good points, as well as bad, but it's just that charging for 3 maps and a few weapons isn't a very attractive option. EA's milking of the franchise cheapens it, as many people that bought the addons are let down that there aren't many places to play on ranked servers (say what you will, but that's what most folks want). Instead, they're left with an okay set of maps that they paid money for, but as far as they see, no good place to play them. It's a waste of money in that light, and for many players, that's a negative mark for the franchise as a whole. The initial rush on both boosters, and to a less extent SF, has been shortlived, as people head back to vanilla BF2 where the majority of players are.
It's my opinion, that the best thing EA could have done was either focus the development talent on 2142, or better yet, iron out the issues in BF2 vanilla. Hell, at the point that EF was released, the vanilla product was in better condition that it is now.
If you want to release new maps to keep your customer base playing, fine, but don't milk them for it. I would venture a guess that for every person that just loves EF or AF, there are many that are miffed that they spent 10 bucks for a few maps that barely played. This is nothing new from EA really, looking at their money crop (EA sports), they tweak graphics and gameplay slightly, slap in new stats, and sell yet another Madden or NBALive or whatever the hell they're calling them these days. I guess I can't fault EA too much on that though, it's the customers that keeping buying them that fuels EA's mindset.
Both booster packs and SF suffer from the same problem. More people would rather whore the fuck out of Karkand and a few others (Hooray virtual stats) than pay 10-30 bucks for new material. The maps all have good points, as well as bad, but it's just that charging for 3 maps and a few weapons isn't a very attractive option. EA's milking of the franchise cheapens it, as many people that bought the addons are let down that there aren't many places to play on ranked servers (say what you will, but that's what most folks want). Instead, they're left with an okay set of maps that they paid money for, but as far as they see, no good place to play them. It's a waste of money in that light, and for many players, that's a negative mark for the franchise as a whole. The initial rush on both boosters, and to a less extent SF, has been shortlived, as people head back to vanilla BF2 where the majority of players are.
It's my opinion, that the best thing EA could have done was either focus the development talent on 2142, or better yet, iron out the issues in BF2 vanilla. Hell, at the point that EF was released, the vanilla product was in better condition that it is now.
If you want to release new maps to keep your customer base playing, fine, but don't milk them for it. I would venture a guess that for every person that just loves EF or AF, there are many that are miffed that they spent 10 bucks for a few maps that barely played. This is nothing new from EA really, looking at their money crop (EA sports), they tweak graphics and gameplay slightly, slap in new stats, and sell yet another Madden or NBALive or whatever the hell they're calling them these days. I guess I can't fault EA too much on that though, it's the customers that keeping buying them that fuels EA's mindset.
- Superior Mind
- (not macbeth)
- +1,755|6921
What the should have done is had another PLA map and completley customized liek u guys said. EA sucks now a days. In Road to Jalalabad there is a PLA DPV, wtf?! Euroforce is basicaly what we thougth AF was going to be except for Great Wall.
I totally agree with InnerMoneky, and not only do these players return to just Battlefield 2, they return specfically (for the most part, to Karkand. And glad to see Superior_Mind around
Snake, update the IP thread and request it to be stickied.
Snake, update the IP thread and request it to be stickied.
Well honestly Euro force was a let down for me. It was too small and short just like armored fury too small and short. So why not make them into a expansion pack? Combined it is good but still kinda bad. What Euroforce needs is exactly what others are saying more of everything(except weapons).
I agreee first Euroforce needs new vehicles having USMC stuff makes it kinda dumb. Nothing new really. So the list of stuff you guys already thought of is good to go so I dont need to waste time explaining it.
Second is more maps! EU should fight china and the MEC more. Like add in snow maps in Southern russia or sand maps in the middle of saudia arabia. Better yet a couple of battles in Europe.
3rd what does EU need more then those.... A NEW ENEMY! Euro wouldnt be battleing MEC and definitely wouldnt be battleing China in Europe. In fact what the EU would proboly battle more is the Eastern European nations that are rogue(yugoslavia or former russian republics). Eastern Europe would kinda be like the MEC/Russians but would have a few new vechiles like the t-80,a newer MIG and some other land vechiles. If you role that all up it would make a very nice expansion pack.
I agreee first Euroforce needs new vehicles having USMC stuff makes it kinda dumb. Nothing new really. So the list of stuff you guys already thought of is good to go so I dont need to waste time explaining it.
Second is more maps! EU should fight china and the MEC more. Like add in snow maps in Southern russia or sand maps in the middle of saudia arabia. Better yet a couple of battles in Europe.
3rd what does EU need more then those.... A NEW ENEMY! Euro wouldnt be battleing MEC and definitely wouldnt be battleing China in Europe. In fact what the EU would proboly battle more is the Eastern European nations that are rogue(yugoslavia or former russian republics). Eastern Europe would kinda be like the MEC/Russians but would have a few new vechiles like the t-80,a newer MIG and some other land vechiles. If you role that all up it would make a very nice expansion pack.
Last edited by USRangerJohnson (2006-07-26 09:52:21)
It would be cool if the EF fights against Russia. Like SAS vs Spetznas in SF. But it'll be kinda hard if you read the Great Wall briefing. =/USRangerJohnson wrote:
Well honestly Euro force was a let down for me. It was too small and short just like armored fury too small and short. So why not make them into a expansion pack? Combined it is good but still kinda bad. What Euroforce needs is exactly what others are saying more of everything(except weapons).
I agreee first Euroforce needs new vehicles having USMC stuff makes it kinda dumb. Nothing new really. So the list of stuff you guys already thought of is good to go so I dont need to waste time explaining it.
Second is more maps! EU should fight china and the MEC more. Like add in snow maps in Southern russia or sand maps in the middle of saudia arabia. Better yet a couple of battles in Europe.
3rd what does EU need more then those.... A NEW ENEMY! Euro wouldnt be battleing MEC and definitely wouldnt be battleing China in Europe. In fact what the EU would proboly battle more is the Eastern European nations that are rogue(yugoslavia or former russian republics). Eastern Europe would kinda be like the MEC/Russians but would have a few new vechiles like the t-80,a newer MIG and some other land vechiles. If you role that all up it would make a very nice expansion pack.
(Great Wall Breifing)
"A newly negotiated peace with Russia has allowed the European Union to launch an attack into mainland China from the north. The EU forces hope to breach the Great Wall of China and establish a base for future operations before continuing south to the coast, but their supply lines are dangerously thin. If the Chinese forces can head off the assault and hold them back long enough, the EU will have no choice but to retreat back into Russia. It’s vital for them to link up with American forces attacking from the coast, or a sustained assault on China will be impossible!"
But as you said, a fight between some old Russia Republics would be fun to fight with
Or, replace the USMC in Road To Jalalabad with EU.
Make the guns unlocks, then everyone would buy them and the maps could run as part of a rotation on most servers.
OK Hellogoodsir, I will update it and add in all the EF server IP's that I know of that often have people on them.
Requesting it for a sticky, do I just ask the admins? If so, I might just start a new topic for what its worth
With regards to some posts,
USRangerJohnson: A sand map in Saudi Arabia? Well, there is Smoke Screen, which is a desert map fighting for the oilfields, so I can only assume that that is in the middle east. But afew more wouldnt go amiss. Such as a "desert city" map (kinda like Mashtuur) would be pretty cool.
A snow map is definitly a good idea. Granted, EA would have to actually make snow camo for each class and probably even the vehicles (be pretty dumb having green camo/desert camo vehicles driving round in snow ) - which all adds up to more work for EA. As much as I would like to see a snow map, along with a LOT of other people in the community - and it might even attract more people into EF, I just see that as being too much work for EA without charging us for the content. If they do decide to do this, it will probably be an "Arctic Warfare" booster pack
Canterwood: 2 of the EU weapons, the P90 and L96A1 are already SF unlocks, so it would be a little weird having 5 additional unlocks and having 5 classes with a choice of 4 weapons and 2 classes with only 3. But that would be nice, I must admit.
Requesting it for a sticky, do I just ask the admins? If so, I might just start a new topic for what its worth
With regards to some posts,
USRangerJohnson: A sand map in Saudi Arabia? Well, there is Smoke Screen, which is a desert map fighting for the oilfields, so I can only assume that that is in the middle east. But afew more wouldnt go amiss. Such as a "desert city" map (kinda like Mashtuur) would be pretty cool.
A snow map is definitly a good idea. Granted, EA would have to actually make snow camo for each class and probably even the vehicles (be pretty dumb having green camo/desert camo vehicles driving round in snow ) - which all adds up to more work for EA. As much as I would like to see a snow map, along with a LOT of other people in the community - and it might even attract more people into EF, I just see that as being too much work for EA without charging us for the content. If they do decide to do this, it will probably be an "Arctic Warfare" booster pack
Canterwood: 2 of the EU weapons, the P90 and L96A1 are already SF unlocks, so it would be a little weird having 5 additional unlocks and having 5 classes with a choice of 4 weapons and 2 classes with only 3. But that would be nice, I must admit.
great ideas, but i think that not all of it will happen, and if it does then i will personally get your addresses and send u all a slice of cake. i hope most of all that my and Kratos's work will be looked at seriously by EA/Dice
Snake, just PM trigger happy and enough persuasion could be the trick. And yea, we don't need tier 3 unlocks.
Oh and my memory fades me. After bringing up a forest camo, my brain has screwed up with my memory. Does the EU Camo have green patches in Great Wall, and brown on the others? Is there green on all of them. It's been a while sorry :p
Oh and my memory fades me. After bringing up a forest camo, my brain has screwed up with my memory. Does the EU Camo have green patches in Great Wall, and brown on the others? Is there green on all of them. It's been a while sorry :p
Last edited by Hellogoodsir (2006-07-27 17:02:31)
I think they are green in Great Wall. Tried to find a screen shot, this one was the best. Pretty bad anyway.Hellogoodsir wrote:
Snake, just PM trigger happy and enough persuasion could be the trick. And yea, we don't need tier 3 unlocks.
Oh and my memory fades me. After bringing up a forest camo, my brain has screwed up with my memory. Does the EU Camo have green patches in Great Wall, and brown on the others? Is there green on all of them. It's been a while sorry :p
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4563 … 130bn3.jpg
And my alternative account http://bf2s.com/player/74917698/
EU as most played and on the picture he has a brown camo.
Thank god i didnt buy this! I was going to but people just started moaning about it from day one! I never hear anyone saying "Lets play some euro forces" My mate got it and when he refomatted he didnt even bother installing it hahahahha!!! HOW CAN EA JUSTIFY MAKING US SPEND MORE MONEY ON THESE EXPANSIONS WHEN THEY CANT EVEN GET THE STANDARD GAME TO WORK??????????????????
Freeeeee
The EU do have a green camo on GW. Ive checked that out myself. Smoke and Taraba see the EU in their usual "desert camo" (or brown )Kratos Aurion wrote:
I think they are green in Great Wall. Tried to find a screen shot, this one was the best. Pretty bad anyway.Hellogoodsir wrote:
Snake, just PM trigger happy and enough persuasion could be the trick. And yea, we don't need tier 3 unlocks.
Oh and my memory fades me. After bringing up a forest camo, my brain has screwed up with my memory. Does the EU Camo have green patches in Great Wall, and brown on the others? Is there green on all of them. It's been a while sorry :p
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4563 … 130bn3.jpg
And my alternative account http://bf2s.com/player/74917698/
EU as most played and on the picture he has a brown camo.
Im a bit new here but i felt the need to comment on this one. I bought euro force and armord fury-big mistake. Perhaps i have too much money and not enough common sense. But i feel that EA screwd us with their half-hearted expansion paks (yes i threw Armord fury under the bus also). Believe me, i like the idea. I am a big fan of all mods in general. But it is seriously laking. When i buy something like this i expect it to be like a mod but actually several times better, i mean i did pay for it after all didnt i? They just fell short on content and options.
-and snake, how about an infranty map set in southern russia. Chinese attack russia, eu goes to defend. And you dont need to make an artic map set, its not always white in russia. If you've ever read Tom Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon that happens.
-First post
go me!!!
-and snake, how about an infranty map set in southern russia. Chinese attack russia, eu goes to defend. And you dont need to make an artic map set, its not always white in russia. If you've ever read Tom Clancy's The Bear and the Dragon that happens.
-First post
go me!!!
Well, they are not technically expansion packs. They are boosters packs.
Special Forces is an expansion pack - with new weapons, 6 "new" armies, new vehicles, maps, tonnes of awards - the lot.
Booster packs are usually small and cheap - what more do you expect for £5? Ok, the quality could be better, ill give you that, but for £5, they are a bargain (well, in my books...maybe because i work for a living and have money to spare ).
Special Forces is an expansion pack - with new weapons, 6 "new" armies, new vehicles, maps, tonnes of awards - the lot.
Booster packs are usually small and cheap - what more do you expect for £5? Ok, the quality could be better, ill give you that, but for £5, they are a bargain (well, in my books...maybe because i work for a living and have money to spare ).
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