And built a wall halfway into the west bank to protect their illegal settlements in the west bank from the palestinians that live there.Bubbalo wrote:
But how can Lebanon trust Israel to assist in the eradication of terrorists, whilst doing their best to avoid civilian casualties, and withdraw when the job is done?cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
err that is completely different... Lebanon could have said to israel that they need help erecting terrorists out of their countries, and terrorist that will attack israelThey had until recently. And then they cut off supplies.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
But its still palistnian control... israel have safe zones in palenstine as a warning to jerusalem. but yes they have done quite a good job at it, but they have not taken palenstine totally
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Radical Zionist pigs with an army can be quite nasty as well mr. Skousen.Joel Skousen wrote:
Radical Arabs with a gun can be very nasty.
A government will do the exact same thing mr. Skousen, only more effectively as they have the media and the law on their side. The Israeli government is actually one of the best at manipulating its people and silencing those who oppose their will. Remember Mordechai Vanunu?Joel Skousen wrote:
How innocent are those that live in and around insurgent strongholds? Studies show that only a small percentage are willing collaborators. Most people in all cultures are politically apathetic and just want to be left alone. When they go along with guerrilla demands, it's mostly out of fear of reprisals, or hopelessness about there being any other choice when local government doesn't have the will or means to counter guerrilla influence. Insurgents use verbal propaganda to whip up and maintain local support among lowly educated people, but they also use enough fear and intimidation to make sure everyone stays receptive or silent. They actively hunt down people who are resistant or who feed information to the enemy. Lebanon is no different.
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Strong words from a knuckle dragger who can't even see his way clear to correctly quote Benjamin Franklin in his own signature. Did you just reword it to pass it off as your own and make yourself look a bit more clever? I'm just curious, ya know?Ikarti wrote:
Not to mention complete stupidity. He just hates Muslims, he wants people to kill them, he doesn't care who. If Israel's doing it too, fantastic. See how little he cares? Oh they'll just get nuked anyway.topthrill05 wrote:
So you want freedom outlawed as well? You sound a little like the dictators of the past, I could even compare that statement to Hitlers.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
Says all that needs to be said about the authors perspective.
Where is it heading? Good question.
I believe Israel will get nuked within the next five years and then a new world order will arrise, if we exist after that, religion will eventually have to be outlawed.
But sure, bathe in your ignorance.
Alexanderthegrape: Boldly grunting at the monitor and smashing the keyboard since as long as I can remember posting here.
Puck pwns Ikarti.
They can't do shit, they have families and there own responsibilities. Saying they can fight back is completely ignorant.Bubbalo wrote:
You say tolerate them like they have a choice, they don't. The government, thanks to years of civil war, doesn't have the power to stop them, and the citizens are unarmed. What do you want them to do?Alexanderthegrape wrote:
They have to not tollerate them. Run them out, turn them in, do something. Or else there will be a much larger war.
Isreal just defending themselves, getting tired of hearing the same old crap talk.
You can justify anything if you say that. Why don't they nuke Lebanon? It's all in defense right??
Sigh. The Hezbollah have killed like 15 civilians...Israel with there advanced 20th century technology...330+. The only good thing they've done is crashed 2 of there Apaches, newbs.
Perhaps if hezbollah wasn't hiding weapons in civilian populations and mosque? Hezbollah has fired more than 1,100 rockets at civilian areas in Israel since the fighting began and that 12 percent — or about 750,000 people of Israel's population lives in areas that can be targeted by the guerrillas.PRiMACORD wrote:
Sigh. The Hezbollah have killed like 15 civilians...Israel with there advanced 20th century technology...330+..
I am tired of hearing this "disproportionate response" , isn't that the formula needed for victory?
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No it's not the formula needed for victory. It is practically impossible to defeat guerrilla warfare. It is just something that has to 'be managed'.Kmarion wrote:
Perhaps if hezbollah wasn't hiding weapons in civilian populations and mosque? Hezbollah has fired more than 1,100 rockets at civilian areas in Israel since the fighting began and that 12 percent — or about 750,000 people of Israel's population lives in areas that can be targeted by the guerrillas.PRiMACORD wrote:
Sigh. The Hezbollah have killed like 15 civilians...Israel with there advanced 20th century technology...330+..
I am tired of hearing this "disproportionate response" , isn't that the formula needed for victory?
Yeah, like we should manage cancer right? Why bother looking for a cure, you can't beat cancer, merely contain it. Same with AIDS. It's backwards logic.CameronPoe wrote:
No it's not the formula needed for victory. It is practically impossible to defeat guerrilla warfare. It is just something that has to 'be managed'.Kmarion wrote:
Perhaps if hezbollah wasn't hiding weapons in civilian populations and mosque? Hezbollah has fired more than 1,100 rockets at civilian areas in Israel since the fighting began and that 12 percent — or about 750,000 people of Israel's population lives in areas that can be targeted by the guerrillas.PRiMACORD wrote:
Sigh. The Hezbollah have killed like 15 civilians...Israel with there advanced 20th century technology...330+..
I am tired of hearing this "disproportionate response" , isn't that the formula needed for victory?
If you attack with an unrelenting fury you will speak the international language of islam, the sword is mightier than the pen. When people only understand violence, then you have to speak their language to them. And speak with a loud voice. If you merely whisper, how can they lsiten?
As far as targeting civilians, I'm seeing pictures of grandmothers holding RPG's, there are no civilians, only closet commandos.
If you are going to go to war, go 100%, or don't bother.
Mindless violence and oppression didn't beat Ireland and I'm damn sure it wouldn't beat the Americans. WHy would the arabs be any different to you and me?Erkut.hv wrote:
Yeah, like we should manage cancer right? Why bother looking for a cure, you can't beat cancer, merely contain it. Same with AIDS. It's backwards logic.CameronPoe wrote:
No it's not the formula needed for victory. It is practically impossible to defeat guerrilla warfare. It is just something that has to 'be managed'.Kmarion wrote:
Perhaps if hezbollah wasn't hiding weapons in civilian populations and mosque? Hezbollah has fired more than 1,100 rockets at civilian areas in Israel since the fighting began and that 12 percent — or about 750,000 people of Israel's population lives in areas that can be targeted by the guerrillas.
I am tired of hearing this "disproportionate response" , isn't that the formula needed for victory?
If you attack with an unrelenting fury you will speak the international language of islam, the sword is mightier than the pen. When people only understand violence, then you have to speak their language to them. And speak with a loud voice. If you merely whisper, how can they lsiten?
As far as targeting civilians, I'm seeing pictures of grandmothers holding RPG's, there are no civilians, only closet commandos.
If you are going to go to war, go 100%, or don't bother.
I'm not saying they would be, I'm just saying diplomacy has failed.CameronPoe wrote:
Mindless violence and oppression didn't beat Ireland and I'm damn sure it wouldn't beat the Americans. WHy would the arabs be any different to you and me?Erkut.hv wrote:
Yeah, like we should manage cancer right? Why bother looking for a cure, you can't beat cancer, merely contain it. Same with AIDS. It's backwards logic.CameronPoe wrote:
No it's not the formula needed for victory. It is practically impossible to defeat guerrilla warfare. It is just something that has to 'be managed'.
If you attack with an unrelenting fury you will speak the international language of islam, the sword is mightier than the pen. When people only understand violence, then you have to speak their language to them. And speak with a loud voice. If you merely whisper, how can they lsiten?
As far as targeting civilians, I'm seeing pictures of grandmothers holding RPG's, there are no civilians, only closet commandos.
If you are going to go to war, go 100%, or don't bother.
Militant Islam = never ending bloodshed on both sides.
Sinse when is proportionality part of wars rules?
Ask a pilot how he feels about that.
The idea is to hit them so hard and fast, with such overwhelming firepower that the urge to fight goes away.
If they don't want to have civilian deaths then the civilians would do well to read the leaflets that have been dropped saying gtfo.
People say that the population can't do anything about hezbola? The have to ask themselves, which is worse; the possibility that a terrorist might retaliate or the utter fact that the West will?
I support the extermination of Hezbollah. Sorry.
Not Muslims, not Islam, Hezbollah.
I don't think the Koran is the problem as it refers to Jesus as a prophet of God.
The problem is radical groups who think it's trendy and clever to fill trenches with the bodies of non Muslims.
These people, and their ideology , what can I say? There will never be any sort of peace as long as they exist.
Ask a pilot how he feels about that.
The idea is to hit them so hard and fast, with such overwhelming firepower that the urge to fight goes away.
If they don't want to have civilian deaths then the civilians would do well to read the leaflets that have been dropped saying gtfo.
People say that the population can't do anything about hezbola? The have to ask themselves, which is worse; the possibility that a terrorist might retaliate or the utter fact that the West will?
I support the extermination of Hezbollah. Sorry.
Not Muslims, not Islam, Hezbollah.
I don't think the Koran is the problem as it refers to Jesus as a prophet of God.
The problem is radical groups who think it's trendy and clever to fill trenches with the bodies of non Muslims.
These people, and their ideology , what can I say? There will never be any sort of peace as long as they exist.
Your sentiments on Hezbollah are fair enough. You state though 'the idea is to hit them so hard and fast...'. Which 'them' are you referring to. It seem a lot of 'them' don't actually have much or anything to do with Hezbollah.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
Sinse when is proportionality part of wars rules?
Ask a pilot how he feels about that.
The idea is to hit them so hard and fast, with such overwhelming firepower that the urge to fight goes away.
If they don't want to have civilian deaths then the civilians would do well to read the leaflets that have been dropped saying gtfo.
People say that the population can't do anything about hezbola? The have to ask themselves, which is worse; the possibility that a terrorist might retaliate or the utter fact that the West will?
I support the extermination of Hezbollah. Sorry.
Not Muslims, not Islam, Hezbollah.
I don't think the Koran is the problem as it refers to Jesus as a prophet of God.
The problem is radical groups who think it's trendy and clever to fill trenches with the bodies of non Muslims.
These people, and their ideology , what can I say? There will never be any sort of peace as long as they exist.
PS I wouldn't describe Israel as a western nation. They don't fit the criteria of being a largely international law abiding country.
In your opinion. Please don't waste my time citing U.N. resolutions. That body has no morals.
" them" means the enemy.
" them" means the enemy.
Understand that "Militant Islam" believes they are on a mission from God to destroy your civilization and that they see death as a promotion. The only solution is to kill them and to keep killing them until a better methodology is discovered. The worst thing to do is to pretend you are not in this war and wait for diplomacy that has never arrived while the enemy keeps killing you.Erkut.hv wrote:
I'm not saying they would be, I'm just saying diplomacy has failed.CameronPoe wrote:
Mindless violence and oppression didn't beat Ireland and I'm damn sure it wouldn't beat the Americans. WHy would the arabs be any different to you and me?Erkut.hv wrote:
Yeah, like we should manage cancer right? Why bother looking for a cure, you can't beat cancer, merely contain it. Same with AIDS. It's backwards logic.
If you attack with an unrelenting fury you will speak the international language of islam, the sword is mightier than the pen. When people only understand violence, then you have to speak their language to them. And speak with a loud voice. If you merely whisper, how can they lsiten?
As far as targeting civilians, I'm seeing pictures of grandmothers holding RPG's, there are no civilians, only closet commandos.
If you are going to go to war, go 100%, or don't bother.
Militant Islam = never ending bloodshed on both sides.
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If the shoe were on the other foot, how would you expect Hezbollah or any of these islamic fundamentalists treat Israel different?
If they had the power, Hezbollah and their puppet masters would line every Jew up, put a bullet in their heads and dump them in a ditch.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
If the shoe were on the other foot, how would you expect Hezbollah or any of these islamic fundamentalists treat Israel different?
Arabs in Israel have it better than many Arabs outside of Israel with voting rights and protection under the law.
Try being a Christian in Saudi Arabia.
I agree, if the fundamentalists were the ones with the sledge hammer in the middle east, there would not be a single Israeli Man, Woman or Child. Always gotta point out that these are the radicals I am speaking of, not the everyday arab or muslim citizen.Alexanderthegrape wrote:
If they had the power, Hezbollah and their puppet masters would line every Jew up, put a bullet in their heads and dump them in a ditch.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
If the shoe were on the other foot, how would you expect Hezbollah or any of these islamic fundamentalists treat Israel different?
Arabs in Israel have it better than many Arabs outside of Israel with voting rights and protection under the law.
Try being a Christian in Saudi Arabia.
Do you know the meaning behind Zionist ?cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
If the lebonese gov itself doesnt have enough power to stop the hezaboola then why dont they get israels aid first? and remember in 1998 those palistinian kids (8-10 years old) were yelling death to the zionist, death to jews on their national telivision? im surprised israel hasnt crushed palistine yet, better yet the whole northen muslims are all bashing israel, those seig heil pics any1?Bubbalo wrote:
You say tolerate them like they have a choice, they don't. The government, thanks to years of civil war, doesn't have the power to stop them, and the citizens are unarmed. What do you want them to do?Alexanderthegrape wrote:
They have to not tollerate them. Run them out, turn them in, do something. Or else there will be a much larger war.
I think you would do the same thing if you understood it. Not many jews them selves like zionist there are anti-zionist organizations within Israel. Maybe this will help...
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they really jewed that place up didnt they
That is the most illustrative diagram on the destruction of Palestine that I have yet seen. If I hadn't +1'd you earlier I'd +1 you again!alpinestar wrote:
Do you know the meaning behind Zionist ?cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
If the lebonese gov itself doesnt have enough power to stop the hezaboola then why dont they get israels aid first? and remember in 1998 those palistinian kids (8-10 years old) were yelling death to the zionist, death to jews on their national telivision? im surprised israel hasnt crushed palistine yet, better yet the whole northen muslims are all bashing israel, those seig heil pics any1?Bubbalo wrote:
You say tolerate them like they have a choice, they don't. The government, thanks to years of civil war, doesn't have the power to stop them, and the citizens are unarmed. What do you want them to do?
I think you would do the same thing if you understood it. Not many jews them selves like zionist there are anti-zionist organizations within Israel. Maybe this will help...
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/857/gi … lanpa7.jpg
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
they really jewed that place up didnt they
Food for thought: Just about every Israeli of fighting age killed by Hizballah is essentially an army reservist. That is to say, they are off duty soldiers, not civilians.
and the same could be said about lebanese civilians getting killed. just about EVERY single one of them has the potential to be a suicide bomber.Bubbalo wrote:
Food for thought: Just about every Israeli of fighting age killed by Hizballah is essentially an army reservist. That is to say, they are off duty soldiers, not civilians.
military service is mandatory my man, if you are israeli, you have no choice.
You could leave Israel.
The difference is that Lebanese civilians (that is to say, those not with affiliations to armed groups) are non-combatants in the strictest sense of the word. Israeli civilians are only temporary non-combatants.
The difference is that Lebanese civilians (that is to say, those not with affiliations to armed groups) are non-combatants in the strictest sense of the word. Israeli civilians are only temporary non-combatants.
So what your saying is its okay to kill citizens of Israel because all people of military age are reservists.Bubbalo wrote:
Food for thought: Just about every Israeli of fighting age killed by Hizballah is essentially an army reservist. That is to say, they are off duty soldiers, not civilians.
Rather shocking Bubbalo.
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