Poll

Do you believe Israels actions are justifiable

Yes (Helping war against terrorism)42%42% - 38
No (Israel brought it upon themselves)48%48% - 44
Evacuat our troops8%8% - 8
Total: 90
topthrill05
Member
+125|6807|Rochester NY USA

REDARMYMIKE wrote:

it always amuses me to read about middle east fighting.

to me it's so comical; "my imaginary friend is better than yours!" "Hey, you KILLED MY imiginary friend" "Death to all!" "Allah Ackbar!"

!POW

at least in america we fight over worthy shit like drugs and women and property.

/mostly serious
This might be way over some peoples heads.

What makes something worthy? I believe it is based on peoples beliefs and opinions. So who says what they are fighting over isn't "Worthy"?
mpsmith
Member
+5|6901
This isn't quite as much about religion as it is about land. Israel is only challenged because of the so-called Palestinian question, and they are only supported by the rest of the Middle East because they are Muslims. So while religion plays a role it's more about land-religion is merely a backdrop. Remember that Christians and Jews are protected people under Shari'ah.

And I think that while some Israeli action is justified they seem to be going a bit far. Many civilians have been killed in the past few days.

Last edited by mpsmith (2006-07-15 22:23:48)

Sgt.Zubie
Member
+77|6805
Of course they are. I don't think we would like it if an armed terrorist group bent on our destruction was on our border.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790

topthrill05 wrote:

How did they bring it upon themselves?  Seriously I would like to know.
Because I said that where?

topthrill05 wrote:

Seems they have kissed the asses of to many people and now are tired of it. I am happy that they are showing they have balls.
Yeah, just like the Nazis.......oh, wait..............
topthrill05
Member
+125|6807|Rochester NY USA
My bad I read it wrong.

What does Nazi Germany have to do with Israel?

Last edited by topthrill05 (2006-07-16 10:24:44)

luckeydogg
Member
+35|6758|C:/system32/pimp.exe
Its a freakin' holy war that has been going on for thousands of years...  We need to keep are nose out of that shit...
topthrill05
Member
+125|6807|Rochester NY USA

luckeydogg wrote:

Its a freakin' holy war that has been going on for thousands of years...  We need to keep are nose out of that shit...
What the fuck.

Right now this is not a holy war. Where are you people getting this from.

Now if this keeps going it will be, but right now it's not.
luckeydogg
Member
+35|6758|C:/system32/pimp.exe
We still need to stay the fuck away...  Its like this whole Iraq crap...  Wont go there... (even tho I have been there...)
topthrill05
Member
+125|6807|Rochester NY USA
I know how you feel. But this affects us in many ways. Right now we need to stay out, but if things get to bad we will have to get involved.

The US wants other country's to help out, hopefully some will. We are swamped as of right now.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6810|SE London

leesupport wrote:

Nah Israel doesn't need help from the USA they do a good enough job by them self and it isn't Israels falt aether they are fed up from suside bombers in there city everyday....and i would too its easyer to say that Israel shouldn't attack them they are only making it worst but just imagine if that was happening in your city everyday would you just want to sit there?.....and weather they attack or not them suside bombers arnt going to stop like puckmercury  said there is never going to be peace in the middle east..
D'you think maybe the suicide bombers are doing it because they are fed up with being bombed and having their houses bulldozed by Israelis? If the Israelis stopped for long enough, the suicide bombers would (probably) follow suite.
topthrill05
Member
+125|6807|Rochester NY USA
Yeah right. Israel has done quite alot to please these guys, they are never happy. There goal is to destroy Israel.

Nice look on how it "Should" work.
negolien
Member
+3|6724
Hey,

  Anyone remember the camp David Accords? The PLO and other terrorist scum didn't/don't want peace. I agree with one dude who said watch as Israel schools these fools. You're gonna see these punks get stomped like the cockroaches they are. That little country has some of the best Intel and spec-ops branches in the world and they're gonna use em. I feel for the innocents but as in war there are always civilian casualties especially considering these terrorists embed themselves into civilian populations. Israel will try to minimize these casualties unlike the terrorists who are all about civilian casualties. Lebanon will benefit from this action as the UN guy said once they are allowed to control the south.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6810|SE London

topthrill05 wrote:

How did they bring it upon themselves?  Seriously I would like to know.

Seems they have kissed the asses of to many people and now are tired of it. I am happy that they are showing they have balls.



Right now this is not a holy war. Where are you people getting this from.
They have invaded Palestine and built a bloody great wall which is way across the internationally recognised border between the two countrys. They have kicked out every Palestinian living in Israel (kind of like the Nazis kicking out the Jews from Germany, thats how that started - who knows maybe in the not too distant future they'll have concentration camps for Arabs (although the Americans seem to be ahead on that one with Guantanamo)) and they have bulldozed Palestinian villages which lie anywhere near the border zones.

Whose asses have the Israelis been kissing? Other than the Americans - and they don't seem to have a lot of respect for them anyway. America will ask them to do or not do something and the Israelis won't pay any notice at all.

This is and always has been a holy war - Its about the religious significance of Jerusalem to Jews and Muslims. The whole thing is about how that entire region is the promised land, unfortunately it happens to be the promised land for two different religions (three if you count Christians, remember the Crusades?). For that reason Jerusalem is always going to be a warzone unless all these people just learn to get along and live there side by side. Thats probably where all these people are getting the idea it's a holy war.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6995|UK
Well tbh its not the israeli fault, it was their country first... 730 BC. Thats before the prophet muhammed was even born, ofcourse muslims have been round longer than that but their centre for religion is mecca...
Capt_Flapjack
Member
+12|6984|Kansas City, MO, USA
I'm just gonna say that the Israeli IDF is one of the best funded and trained armies in the world.  If I could choose any army to back me up I would choose the Israelis.  I say help them out, as they are our friends.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6810|SE London

Capt_Flapjack wrote:

I'm just gonna say that the Israeli IDF is one of the best funded and trained armies in the world.  If I could choose any army to back me up I would choose the Israelis.  I say help them out, as they are our friends.
So just because they are your allies and have a big army, you think you should help them go and finish off the Arabs they've been oppressing for the last 60 years?

Iraq was invaded for non compliance with UN resoultions, maybe you should take a look a the list of UN resolutions broken by Israel. They also developed nukes in secret when they were specifically told not to by the UN - a decision backed 100% by the US - wasn't there something about Saddam developing weapons of mass destruction.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_th … _Palestine

Also Israel the only nuclear power not to sign the nuclear non proliferation treaty. Even North Korea have signed it.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-07-16 13:29:21)

topthrill05
Member
+125|6807|Rochester NY USA
Why sign something if you aren't going to follow it? The treaty is a joke just like the UN.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790

topthrill05 wrote:

What does Nazi Germany have to do with Israel?
I just assumed that you believed running around killing people = kissing ass, since that's all Israel's ever done.

topthrill05 wrote:

The treaty is a joke just like the UN.
The US was the driving force behind the UN, the US is the country most able to back the UN's declarations with military force, and the US is the country who can be most consistently relied on to not follow the UN when it doesn't suit it's needs.  If the UN is a joke, the US is responsible.
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|6912|Canada

topthrill05 wrote:

Why sign something if you aren't going to follow it? The treaty is a joke just like the UN.
I get a little more irritated every time someone says something like that, if it's a joke it's because countries don't participate.  Canada has always been a supporter of UN acts and the US has made it into a joke.  Israel has always been a problem especially with all the weapons the US gave them and various actions backed by the US.  You can't work against something and then when it fails call it a joke.  It would be on your head if it did.  Treaties like the NPT and other written documents are sometimes the only things preventing disaster and you should respect that.  If all countries trounced around and refused to respect things like the UN people would be in much worse shape than they are now.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6874

PBAsydney wrote:

Israelis are crazy. It's that simple.
What he said
PRiMACORD
Member
+190|6854|Home of the Escalade Herds

PBAsydney wrote:

Israelis are crazy. It's that simple.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6810|SE London

topthrill05 wrote:

Why sign something if you aren't going to follow it? The treaty is a joke just like the UN.
What do you mean aren't going to follow it? I can't think of any nukes beings used since the Non Proliferation Treaty, so who hasn't been following it? It's disturbing becasuse countries who intend to break treaties tend not to sign them, like the US with the human rights act - which they didn't sign so they could keep their right to execute children.

As for the UN, they need US or NATO backing (pretty much the same thing) to get anything done and if the US opposes action on an issue as they do in this situation the UN is powerless.
BattlefieldMedic
Member
+25|6830|Sydney City, THE city.

Major_Spittle wrote:

The way I see it is that they both don't eat Pork.  Pork is essential for a healthy diet, without pork the human body ceases to function properly and in turn becomes aggressive. 

Lets face it, these people will never get along until they can sit down and talk it out over some bacon and eggs or perhaps some beer brawts.  I have yet to see a person become hostile while eating a pork chop, have you???  Let's face it, these people have never experienced baby back ribs or a shreaded Bar-B-Que pork sandwich with onions.  How could anyone expect anything else from such uncivilized people. 

Just remember this:  to stay in line, you must eat swine.

http://www.vaporkfestival.com/femwpig.jpg
Bahaha! Thats funny shit! +1!

Now, back to the topic. Israel dont need America. Theyre balls enough to defend themselves.

Last edited by BattlefieldMedic (2006-07-17 03:10:23)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6830|132 and Bush

topthrill05 wrote:

Yeah right. Israel has done quite alot to please these guys, they are never happy. There goal is to destroy Israel.

Nice look on how it "Should" work.
Your right it doesn't matter what Israel does. They will always be attacked . This attack was unprovoked and more than likely sponsored by Iran to stir up a cloud of dust around their nuclear ambitions.  In my opinion.

If the UN was effective and was able to enforce it's own resolutions (1559) this conflict would not be happening.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2004/sc8181.doc.htm
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6904|Canberra, AUS
The Israelis don't need any help to raze every building in Lebanon. They can do that just fine, thanks.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman

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