BF2S Forums How long until Israel puts an End to the Arabic uprising against it.

I for one wouldn't mind seeing Israel wiped off the world map. I'm sick of that country. I've met Palestines who've been tortured by Israelis who still carry horrible scars. I've heard from a journalist down there that Israel attacks Palestine in some way every day, knocking out infastructure and killing anyone who happens to be there. Does the world care? No; we don't know that this happen. Why? News companies won't buy news like that. It's like Rwanda.

- Hey, they're killing people down there! The UN has no idea what they're doing since the usual contributor, the US, won't intervene!
- Does it sell?

Yes, I am a Socialist.

Out.

Spark wrote:

One thing - how is taking out an airport 'hurting' terrorists?

That airport was receiving aid from Syria.

A lot of anti Arab sentiment on this thread. Especially since this conflict is almost entirely of Israels making. They always take everything way to far, which is why they have been attacked by terrorists for so many years. The sensible thing to do in these conflicts is compromise - which Israel is in a perfect situation to do, escalation doesn't benefit anyone.
Surely what Israel is doing is terrorism just as much as any of the attacks carried out by Hamas, except the Israelis have F-18s and Apaches to make it a whole load easier to terrorise people. Because Israel aren't only hunting down the terrorists (which is something I have no problem with), but bombing airports and hospitals and businesses - which really isn't going to endear themselves with anyone.

Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning what Hamas have been doing over the past couple of decades, more condemning both sides for their actions. Although I do find it quite easy to understand why the Palestinians have responded this way, wouldn't you? For example (and I know this isn't a realistic example) if Canada was a much larger military power than the US and decided they wanted the northern 1/4 of the US for themselves, and kicked all US citizens living in these areas out of their homes and built a bloody great wall to keep people out - wouldn't you be just a touch pissed off? With no military recourse to fall back on surely terrorism would be the most human response to an occupying force.

This conflict could be ended in a instant by Israel backing down - which they won't, because it is a conflict which they can and almost certainly will win (but that doesn't mean they should). As it is it could get horribly out of hand and end up with the middle east being the staging ground for WW3.

As far as the captured soldier goes, how many Palestinians have been dragged off by Israeli forces never to be seen again? Is the life of an Israeli soldier so much more important than the lives of all these Palestinians. Is Arab blood that cheap?

MY OPINION:

THE HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS ARE RIGHT !

they are just fighting for their freedom, against the daily terror of israel, destroying their infrastructure and industry since 60 years now. if anothers nation soldiers would kill my friends daily and destroy my city all 6 months, i d start killing them too. israel is a terror state but noone sees that, thanks to our zionist media.

hezbollah nd Hamas are heroes like the french resistance in WW2 or the rebels in Star wars or the mudschahedin in afghanistan when russia invaded them

igive a shit on isreal, hope they get what they deserve, TOTAL ANIHILATION.
they stole the land from the arabs and wonder why the arabs want it back. how dumb can they be

DEATH to israel

Scud-Terror wrote:

MY OPINION:

THE HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS ARE RIGHT !

they are just fighting for their freedom, against the daily terror of israel, destroying their infrastructure and industry since 60 years now. if anothers nation soldiers would kill my friends daily and destroy my city all 6 months, i d start killing them too. israel is a terror state but noone sees that, thanks to our zionist media.

hezbollah nd Hamas are heroes like the french resistance in WW2 or the rebels in Star wars or the mudschahedin in afghanistan when russia invaded them

igive a shit on isreal, hope they get what they deserve, TOTAL ANIHILATION.
they stole the land from the arabs and wonder why the arabs want it back. how dumb can they be

DEATH to israel

Total anihilation this wont happen Israel has better wepons/planes/everything
and they have a right to defend themselves.This would never have happend if the muslims didnt take there soilders and start trouble.

Last edited by Shifty (2006-07-15 05:03:05)

Poseidon wrote:

These sand monkeys have NO idea what they're up against. Israel's arsenal is, well, incredible. They're so incredibly advanced. I've seen some of their planes, and they're just incredible.

Syria/Lebanon/Any others that oppose israel are gonna get fucking OWNED. And damn well they should. Israel's been putting up with this shit for too long. I'm fully supporting any thing they do.

And remember, they're killing TERRORISTS. People that want america/britain/russia/any other ally of the US DEAD. So I'd support israel if I was any of you.

YES WE KNOW, WE GAVE THEM OR PAID 4 EVERYTHING THEY HAVE

Major_Spittle wrote:

Viper38 wrote:

You've managed to turn what is an extremely complex and multi-faceted issue into one that is barely recognisable in relation to International Politics.

I would offer you one piece of advice: if an issue ever appears to be vividly black and white then you have not examined the situation closely enough. In International Relations very few issues are as clear-cut as you are suggesting.

Now whilst I am not pro-Israeli or ‘pro-anti-Israeli’ (if that makes sense) I do think that both sides seem to be at fault - and I will not develop this point further because this is certainly not the arena in which to do so. This is for the simple reason that it is impossible to apply rigorous standards of referencing and academic accountability in such a forum.

Yet as you can clearly see from the few posts sprawled across these forums, people’s opinions on the Arab-Israeli situation are polarised to such an extent that it is difficult to begin to know where to reconcile these views.

However, I don’t think the above oversimplification (and the use of the word oversimplification is me being extremely kind to you) helps our understanding of the situation in anyway. Quite frankly it makes the poster seem somewhat ill-informed.

Would someone like to respond, ideally without the use of the words off and fuck?

If you are unable to make a Black and White issue out of Terrorist attacking Israel continually while hiding behind/receiving support from governments in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq; then Israel deciding to finally do something about it by going after the terrorists and the Governments supporting them perhaps you should back up and look at the broader picture of what is going on here.

FACTS:
1.There are radical Islamic groups that wish for Israel to be destroyed.
2. You can not negotiate with groups that vow to destroy you for their religious beliefs.
3. These groups are supported by many governments in the Middle east.
4. These groups are tolerated by much of the population in the Middle East/Europe.
5. These groups hide behind civilians, don't wear uniforms, do not fight in the open against armies, prefer to take out civilian targets than military targets.
6. There is no way to attack the Terrorists directly, as long as the governments/people support and tolerate them, it is impossible to not harm the governments/people while attacking them.

Viper- get a clue. It is VERY BLACK and WHITE and very simple.  Or do you feel that genocide in the name of religion is a valid belief and the world should respect these groups and give them credibility????

FACTS:
1. Islamic groups want justice, as history states the land was clearly stolen.
2.You can try, O NO u cant lets go kill em all.
3. Supported ? HAHAHA, have u seen the shit these "Groups" have, its noting. Y dont we talk about who supports isreal and the kind of shit they have.
4. CORRECTION , these groups are supported. Hamas winning election, and y do u fink that is ?.
5.They cant afford to eat and u want them to wear uniforms ? they dont qualify to be called an "ARMY" (go to point 3). they take out civilians cos they hav no other choice, and please dont talk about the amount of civilians dead , until u hav seen civilian deaths on both sides. 
6. LET FUKIN NUKE THEM ALL, YEA?

You get a clue , genocide is already happing. OPEN YOUR EYES.

mafia996630 wrote:

Major_Spittle wrote:

If you are unable to make a Black and White issue out of Terrorist attacking Israel continually while hiding behind/receiving support from governments in Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq; then Israel deciding to finally do something about it by going after the terrorists and the Governments supporting them perhaps you should back up and look at the broader picture of what is going on here.

FACTS:
1.There are radical Islamic groups that wish for Israel to be destroyed.
2. You can not negotiate with groups that vow to destroy you for their religious beliefs.
3. These groups are supported by many governments in the Middle east.
4. These groups are tolerated by much of the population in the Middle East/Europe.
5. These groups hide behind civilians, don't wear uniforms, do not fight in the open against armies, prefer to take out civilian targets than military targets.
6. There is no way to attack the Terrorists directly, as long as the governments/people support and tolerate them, it is impossible to not harm the governments/people while attacking them.

Viper- get a clue. It is VERY BLACK and WHITE and very simple.  Or do you feel that genocide in the name of religion is a valid belief and the world should respect these groups and give them credibility????

FACTS:
1. Islamic groups want justice, as history states the land was clearly stolen.
2.You can try, O NO u cant lets go kill em all.
3. Supported ? HAHAHA, have u seen the shit these "Groups" have, its noting. Y dont we talk about who supports isreal and the kind of shit they have.
4. CORRECTION , these groups are supported. Hamas winning election, and y do u fink that is ?.
5.They cant afford to eat and u want them to wear uniforms ? they dont qualify to be called an "ARMY" (go to point 3). they take out civilians cos they hav no other choice, and please dont talk about the amount of civilians dead , until u hav seen civilian deaths on both sides. 
6. LET FUKIN NUKE THEM ALL, YEA?

You get a clue , genocide is already happing. OPEN YOUR EYES.

1. Stolen From Who/By Who????  There was NEVER a Palestinian state back then.  The Palestinians are Nomadic and never had any land, duh.  Gee Wiz, Jew in Israel not being historical.  There is a reason all the holy sites in Israel are Jewish and Christian, Name all these holy Muslim sites..... Exactly.....  This has nothing to do with land, it is religious just like the terrorists and Iran's leader states publicly.
2.  Yes, kill your Enemy that wishes to kill you.  That is what most people do or are you stupid.
3.  Yep, People supporting terrorist are terrorist supporters.
4.  Yep, Hamas was elected by the people that support them. So what???? Proves that paletinians hate Jews and want to destroy them.
5.  Why can't they eat, oh its because they are more concerned with killing and destroying instead of building a life and living.
6.  EXACTLY, KILL ALL TERRORIST.

genocide is not happening, you are stupid is happening.

There is no way to attack the Terrorists directly, as long as the governments/people support and tolerate them, it is impossible to not harm the governments/people while attacking them.

You are really understimating the capabilites of the armies of the developed nations. Israel can do it that way but they clearly don't want to, they have just lowered themselves to the level of who they are fighting. Nobody wins in these scenarios, just that the civilians of both countries lose.

However, Israel have been handing out leaflets to tell Lebanese citizens to get out of the area as they will bomb it, so it hasn't been that bad. I mean they are killing civilians, but when civilians read these letters telling them to get out, do they think "Fuck those fucking Jews, i'm not listening to them" or do they think "Cmon lets get out of here so they can bomb those shithead Hezbollah dicks"

I don't know tbh

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2006-07-15 10:21:23)

Mekstizzle wrote:

There is no way to attack the Terrorists directly, as long as the governments/people support and tolerate them, it is impossible to not harm the governments/people while attacking them.

You are really understimating the capabilites of the armies of the developed nations. Israel can do it that way but they clearly don't want to, they have just lowered themselves to the level of who they are fighting. Nobody wins in these scenarios, just that the civilians of both countries lose.

However, Israel have been handing out leaflets to tell Lebanese citizens to get out of the area as they will bomb it, so it hasn't been that bad. I mean they are killing civilians, but when civilians read these letters telling them to get out, do they think "Fuck those fucking Jews, i'm not listening to them" or do they think "Cmon lets get out of here so they can bomb those shithead Hezbollah dicks"

I don't know tbh

i fink they care more about their lives, rather then listening or not listening to the jews. Lesflets is all kol, but do u really fink its that easy leaving your home and everything u have ?

citricacidx wrote:

Israel bombing of Lebanon is bullshit. I'm half Lebanese and this relaly pisses me off because they basically attacked the civilians and dont really care. And of course living in the US and with the US supporting Israel there's nothing that we can do.

Im conflicted myself because I'm half Lebanese so naturally the Israeli's piss me off, and at the same time I've taken a Holocaust class so I know that they've been through some serious shit. But they act like they're the only ones who've been hated on. They dont remember the Armenian genocide, they don't care about Rwanda.

When you look at it from an outside view, there are several similarities to the cycle of child abuse theory:

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/179/6/482
http://www.bhamwa.org/lc_cms/page_view.asp?ID=716

As far as I can see the abuse between Israel and it's neighbours is cyclic, and has developed to the point where the abusive behaviour of the opposite side has become ingrained in everyone involved.  Since the question of what to do with paedos hasn't really been answered (life imprisonment? chemical castration? therapy?) then my hopes that an answer can be found for this situation are low. 

citricacidx wrote:

I think the US needs to take all of its support out from behind Israel, all of it's weapons and armor and vehicles and let the Israeli's fend for themselves instead of being the Big Brother giving his little brother all sorts of shit to go beat up the kid with homemade shit.

That would certainly lessen the perception that many people hold that the US is part of the problem, but I still think the cycle would continue.  If it were that simple (I imagine that 'taking back' a fighter jet by force might be quite difficult and dangerous) then I have a feeling we'd still see both sides using whatever the most effective form of violence available to them.  Although the US isn't directly to blame for the violence (see... I don't blame Bush for everything), I think the US needs to stop fucking the UN up the arse in it's attempts to break the cycle and play a responsible role in world politics.   At first I thought all the Americans who set up sites like www.getusout.com were a danger to the stability of the world... now I'm starting to agree with them, albeit for completely different reasons.

EDIT: I should make it clear that I am not calling any of the individuals or the governments involved paedophiles, I am merely making a comparison to another cycle of abuse where wrongs have occurred on both side and which has no clear cut solution to date.  And I'm not saying which sides I feel have done most wrong.  And I abhor the killing of all people.

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-07-15 11:54:56)

Snorkelfarsan wrote:

Janysc wrote:

I for one wouldn't mind seeing Israel wiped off the world map. I'm sick of that country. I've met Palestines who've been tortured by Israelis who still carry horrible scars. I've heard from a journalist down there that Israel attacks Palestine in some way every day, knocking out infastructure and killing anyone who happens to be there. Does the world care? No; we don't know that this happen. Why? News companies won't buy news like that. It's like Rwanda.

- Hey, they're killing people down there! The UN has no idea what they're doing since the usual contributor, the US, won't intervene!
- Does it sell?

Yes, I am a Socialist.

Out.

I must say I am with you too. I dont like the way the israelis are treating the palestines. But the thing is that both countries hate eachother. And one of them happens to be supported by the US, Israel! So the palestinians pretty much dont have a chance, and therefore resort to terrorism.

i think we can all agree upon the fact that if the UN or EU or whatever wouldn't have given Israel to the Jews after WWII, this mess would never have happened. The Jews could have gotten A part of Germany or somtheing, like Bayern. Problem solved. Too late now though.

i joining the. i don't like israel club you seem to have

Last edited by herrr_smity (2006-07-15 12:10:46)