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2006-07-13 13:12:30

-=raska=-: Canada's French Frog; +123|6855|Quebec city, Canada

I had a debate with a friend a few days ago who stated that some human races may be stronger than others and by that, he meant basically that some races may be more intelligent than others. Without wanting to be racist, he stated that in Africa, they are many years behind us (europe and north america) and that even though we gave them support, they couldn't increase their technology and their "life style". He also said that the crime stats say that blacks are more "violent" particularly in USA as well as many Europe countries... At the end, he was saying that human races are different, some physically stronger, some mentally stronger.

I've read scientific articles about the subject and most of them state that there are no genetic differences at all between the races. I dont think there are too, personnaly I dont believe there are differences between races, not mentally, not physical, etc. When I told him there were studies about that and that they stated that there were no differences at all, he couldn't comment and said he was just wondering why do Africa people can't progress, even with help from other people on the planet.

I can't explain why do population in some countries have that much difficulties. Maybe they can't progress because they have difficulties to find food and survive, and all of that doesn't let them evolve.

So what do you guys think ? Do you believe that races can be different ? stronger ? more intelligent ? that there are stronger than others like in the animal reign ?

If one of you have articles that could tell us more about the subject, that would be cool to share

PS .: Try not to be racist, keep in mind that we are all trying to get true facts about human races. Don't be afraid to give us statistics and studies reports but beware of your opinion.

Last edited by -=raska=- (2006-07-13 17:19:12)

2006-07-13 13:15:40

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

no. then how can we inter-reproduce if were different species? its the enviroment that the person is brought up in . ppl think all asians are uber smart at math, im not really.

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2006-07-13 13:17:02

-=raska=-: Canada's French Frog; +123|6855|Quebec city, Canada

I know we cant inter-reproduce thats not the point. But we are talking about slight genetic differences

have you read my post ?

Last edited by -=raska=- (2006-07-13 17:19:21)

2006-07-13 13:18:54

THA: im a fucking .....well not now; +609|6999|AUS, Canberra

well aborigines her in aus have a chemical thing messed up in their brain, thats why they fight a lot and can take a good beating.

2006-07-13 13:19:27

spastic bullet: would like to know if you are on crack; +77|6770|vancouver

Racial boundaries are a social construction. They have no scientific basis or merit.

2006-07-13 13:25:42

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,978|6861|949

http://thefringe.tribe.net/thread/4c73b … da7100f1c3

Read, and show to your friend. Never underestimate the power of the internet to answer questions.

2006-07-13 13:29:11

Pug: UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate; +652|6771|Texas - Bigger than France

No - cultural difference, not race.

Book - Guns, Germs & Steel, by Jared Diamond.

Theory - domestication of crops & animals lead to an easier life, allowing people more "free time" to spend on other things - like inventions, art, etc. Even supporting a specialization for a standing army. Basically the areas where the climate was similar allowed the civilization to spread faster due to the plant domestication, allowing them to be dominant. Africa, Aussieland, and the Americas did not fair well because the climate changes with latitude with expansion, ie. Eurasia is VERY wide East to West and a similar climate.

However, the theory has been criticized because it's too simplistic. Similar to the theory you are debating.

Here's a link. Interesting because it seems plausible - the guy did his homework.

http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/

2006-07-13 13:40:02

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|6756|Portland, OR USA

this is simple. Look at the physical appearence of the different races. In fact, that is what defines them as being a member of that race. What defines your appearence? Genetics. Each race has a physical trend, you can identify them as a member of Asian/Middle Eastern/Caucasian/Black race by looking at them. Since appearance is a function of genetics, these physical trends must be coded in the DNA somewhere. So, by reason, there has to be a genetic difference in there somewhere. I am not arguing degrees or in a supremecy of one race over another. But you can't deny these physical trends, and our make up is nothing more than genetic code. Blacks for instance DO have a documented tendency to be better sprinters due to a ratio of their upper and lower legs.

2006-07-13 13:46:17

Colfax: PR Only; +70|6873|United States - Illinois

People are a product of their environment. Africans have troubles because they do not have much fertile soil due to desertification and rising global temps. Africa is pretty much desert or jungle. Not a good place to grow crops and raise livestock. The only success they have had with crops in Africa is with GMOs (genetically modified organisms). You can throw all the money in the world at them but if they stay where they are they will not succeed unless you change the environment they live in.

Last edited by Colfax (2006-07-13 13:49:11)

2006-07-13 14:48:09

PekkaA: Member; +36|6893|Finland

Correct answer would be that there are no differencies and all humans ought to be equal, but.

Science of genetics is still too young to give answers to questions like this. As well as there are visible differencies between races, there may also be differencies in brains and neural system. Time will tell.

2006-07-13 14:55:08

Cactusfist: Pusher of sausages Down Hallways; +26|6797

I was taught that everyon'es muscle "twinge" slightly to keep them active. The average white male twinges around 60-70 times a minute, whereas an African originated man twinges around 40 times a minute.

This means that white people tend to be beter at more skilled physical tasks (swimming is a good example. Not many professional Black swimmers), Whilst black people are better at large bursts of power, making them stronger but less subtle, hence running.

So there is a diffrence, but it shouldn't affect cultures the way it has.

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2006-07-13 14:58:33

|-LoNgHiLL-|: Member Member; +7|6790|Classified

Of course there are differences just like there are differences between males and females...

2006-07-13 15:00:04

{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy: Member; +69|6938|th3 unkn0wn

-=raska=- wrote:
I know we cant inter-reproduce thats not the point. But we are talking about slight genetical differences

have you read my post ?

Wot were you expecting??? A logical answer from a Taiwanese ninja? Come on!

Last edited by {HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy (2006-07-13 15:03:01)

2006-07-13 15:07:48

-=CB=-krazykarl: not always PWD, but usually.; +95|6765|Carlsbad, CA, USA

yes, case in point: mexico as a nation is almost as old as the usa, but they are still a third world country.

2006-07-13 15:40:41

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:
-=raska=- wrote:
I know we cant inter-reproduce thats not the point. But we are talking about slight genetical differences

have you read my post ?
Wot were you expecting??? A logical answer from a Taiwanese ninja? Come on!

logics FTW

2006-07-13 15:54:38

kr@cker: Bringin' Sexy Back!; +581|6778|Southeastern USA

it's hard to say that having such different habitats did not have anything to do with evolution,

white people evolved in colder environments, necessitating more body hair and heavy clothing which discouraged pigment developement, also their type of agriculture and hunting practices required more heavy lifting type stresses on the body, resulting in more "short twitch" muscle fiber.....I.E. Arnold Schwarzenegger

black people evolved in hot, sunny environments, necessitating darker skin, less body hair, were more reliant on hunting and traveling long distances on foot, as to this day they still don't domesticate animals very much, resulting in more "long twitch" muscle fiber.....I.E. Michael Johnson (I think he's still the world's fastest man, not sure)

asians are midget genetic outcasts

2006-07-13 16:00:41

gorehog: Member; +2|6727

The basis of your friend's argument is flawed. He is trying to make the case that some people are born inferior and he is hoping that it'll be easy to spot. It would be nice if all the "inferior" people had an obvious trait. It would be great if all the dumb people out there were bright, neon blue. It would be gresat for 2 reasons.

1) I would be able to avoid them. ("Sorry baby, I really like you but my parents would die if I brought home a blue chick." and of course "Son, I know you're young and rebellious, but....she's blue. Have you thought about your future together?")

and

2) It would let me know that I AM SUPERIOR. Which is alsways nice to have confirmed.

The fact is that there are genetic variations caused by evolutionary forces and sometimes these variations are extreme and evident enough for us to start using them to make generalizations.

You can know for sure that your friend is wrong because Africans come to the USA. They go to our best schools, get educated, and go home to uplift their communities. Not only does that put the "inferior due to genetics" claim to rest it is also an example of strong communities trying to survive.

It would be nice if it was all as easy as "we're smarter and they're stupider so we have it better." The evidence does not support that, not by observation or experiment.

The problem in Africa is one of prolonged war, hundreds of years of economic subjugation by foreign influence, a lack of education. But thats only the middle of Africa. In South Africa the opressed people finally ended Apartheid by fighting back. Another case that demonstrates your friend is wrong.

damn...got to go...

2006-07-13 16:04:50

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

what kracker said was true, kinda like caucasian ppl and asian ppl drinking alchohol, who would drink the most? caucasians, why? because since BC time caucasians drink wine more than water (not to be insulting here) since caucasians at that time didnt know about purifiying water that well. Asians already started purifying water since around 100 AD and dont drink alchohol as much. that is why caucasians can drink more alchohol, its one of those genetic mutation over generations.

2006-07-13 16:07:01

kr@cker: Bringin' Sexy Back!; +581|6778|Southeastern USA

it's not so much a matter of one being better, just the fact that each does different things better

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-07-13 16:10:00)

2006-07-13 16:07:20

Reaxzion: HOU A.U.B. JE MUIL!; +44|6823|Europe and goddamn proud of it

kr@cker wrote:
it's hard to say that having such different habitats did not have anything to do with evolution,

white people evolved in colder environments, necessitating more body hair and heavy clothing which discouraged pigment developement, also their type of agriculture and hunting practices required more heavy lifting type stresses on the body, resulting in more "short twitch" muscle fiber.....I.E. Arnold Schwarzenegger

black people evolved in hot, sunny environments, necessitating darker skin, less body hair, were more reliant on hunting and traveling long distances on foot, as to this day they still don't domesticate animals very much, resulting in more "long twitch" muscle fiber.....I.E. Michael Johnson (I think he's still the world's fastest man, not sure)

asians are midget genetic outcasts

The two paragraphs of are true, however the part about the Asians doesn't make sense...

Does anyone btw. know why Asian people have epicantric (slit) eyes?

2006-07-13 16:09:38

kr@cker: Bringin' Sexy Back!; +581|6778|Southeastern USA

because they are midget genetic freaks

2006-07-13 16:14:42

R0lyP0ly: Member; +161|6883|USA

Would genetic differences have anything to do with resistance / at risk for certain diseases? bc. Africans are at a much, much higher risk for certain genetic diseases such as sickle cell anemia.

2006-07-13 16:17:26

Reaxzion: HOU A.U.B. JE MUIL!; +44|6823|Europe and goddamn proud of it

R0lyP0ly wrote:
Would genetic differences have anything to do with resistance / at risk for certain diseases? bc. Africans are at a much, much higher risk for certain genetic diseases such as sickle cell anemia.

Probably yes, because people live/lived in different invironments, and build-up different amounts of resistance to diseases, throughout history..

2006-07-13 16:17:26

kr@cker: Bringin' Sexy Back!; +581|6778|Southeastern USA

calm down, i was kidding, i just haven't been able to form a good theory on asians as alot of weird stuff has been making the news as to their past, it seems that caucasian mummies buried in robes bearing a plaid design have been found in various parts of asian deserts, perhaps suggesting that on a millenial scale the asian evolutionary path is one of the youngest, perhaps their smaller stature can be explained by looking at the habitat, thick jungles and thick mountains, a mostly more temperate climate than africa, not needing as much protection from the sun, and having a smaller frame automatically allows for quickness (think acceleration of a car as opposed to top speed).......I.E. JACKIE MOTHERFUCKING CHAN WHO RULES YOUR ASS!!!

2006-07-13 16:22:01

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

Reaxzion wrote:
kr@cker wrote:
it's hard to say that having such different habitats did not have anything to do with evolution,

white people evolved in colder environments, necessitating more body hair and heavy clothing which discouraged pigment developement, also their type of agriculture and hunting practices required more heavy lifting type stresses on the body, resulting in more "short twitch" muscle fiber.....I.E. Arnold Schwarzenegger

black people evolved in hot, sunny environments, necessitating darker skin, less body hair, were more reliant on hunting and traveling long distances on foot, as to this day they still don't domesticate animals very much, resulting in more "long twitch" muscle fiber.....I.E. Michael Johnson (I think he's still the world's fastest man, not sure)

asians are midget genetic outcasts
The two paragraphs of are true, however the part about the Asians doesn't make sense...

Does anyone btw. know why Asian people have epicantric (slit) eyes?

yes i know some ppl who have slit eye in my area... but most ppl have double eye lids, so they dont really look asian

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