How do pilots avoid AA in real life?

2006-07-02 11:41:12

#1

E7IX3R: is drunk and crazy; +216|6999|UK

Last night I had a dream that I was being held hostage by Iraqi's with my girlfriend and we were watching the Iraqi soliders training. (You know what dreams can do and well they were crawling under some barbed wire but bobbing up and down like they were prone spamming)

Anyway, along came an F15 and bombed the living hell out of all these soliders, did a few passes and then along came an AA vehicle and fired off its missiles, the plane tried to avoid them but ended up diving too sharply and hitting the ground. Some english woman dressed as an iraqi came long and said it was time to go, so we went into this building that had green force field doors. Then I was kicked by my girlfriend and told to wake up.

I woke up thinking, how do jets avoid AA in RL? I know they have flares but I read somewhere that the newer AA byepasses the flares because they're not heat seekers.

Someone please enlighten me so I can feel like I've learnt something today.

2006-07-02 11:43:01

#2

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7077|UK

exactly the same as in game, they drop flares that attract heat seekers. They dont go anywhere near battleships due to the chainguns that just shred a plane.

2006-07-02 11:47:09

#3

-r3-anubis: Member; +73|6848|florida

The flares they have actually work and help them, in BF 2, yeah right.

2006-07-02 11:47:36

#4

tupla_s: .; +455|6903|Finland

They use chaffs and flares

2006-07-02 11:49:50

#5

E7IX3R: is drunk and crazy; +216|6999|UK

E7IX3R wrote:
I know they have flares but I read somewhere that the newer AA byepasses the flares because they're not heat seekers.

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2006-07-02 11:51:41

#6

Umibozu_IT: Member; +15|6958|Italy

flares against heat - seeking missiles, and evasive manouvers to take the plane's engines behind the flare screen

chaff against radar guided missiles as they are recognized as targets and there's a chance the missile lock them on instead of the plane

2006-07-02 11:52:00

#7

Zeon.: l33t sp33k Specialist; +159|6868|Behind j00OMFG HAX, Bristol UK

Chaffs, like on MGS, where it jams electronical devices behind them.

2006-07-02 11:52:52

#8

seymorebutts443: Ready for combat; +211|6906|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA

radar guided missiles, the electronics in the missiles are guided by the radar signature in the aircraft, so if the aircraft's radar is off the missile flys dumb

2006-07-02 11:53:43

#9

E7IX3R: is drunk and crazy; +216|6999|UK

finally some useful answers. thanks guys

2006-07-02 11:54:54

#10

daffytag: cheese-it!; +104|6886

They get R2D2 to eject the spare parts in front of the missiles path.

2006-07-02 11:54:59

#11

Umibozu_IT: Member; +15|6958|Italy

if i recall correctly there are also pods which jam enemy radars

2006-07-02 11:57:29

#12

SpectreGunship: Member; +5|6879

tupla_s wrote:
They use chaffs and flares

chaff are pieces of aluminum cut to the wavelength of the enemy radar to fool radar seeking missiles such as the AIM-7 Sparrow and flares are heat sources to evade heat-seekers such as AIM-9 sidewinders. Also evasive maneuvers and speed of the aircraft. Certain AA, like stingers, can easily be out-distanced by fast moving jets, other times missiles can be thrown off by hard banking and moves such as the split-s which make it hard to follow, although these are mostly used to avoid the enemy jet from being able to shoot in the first place. Really the best way to avoid AA is to blow it up at night with your stealth fighters so the next day your bombers and strike fighters can blow up thiers on the ground.

2006-07-02 11:58:46

#13

Umibozu_IT: Member; +15|6958|Italy

seymorebutts443 wrote:
radar guided missiles, the electronics in the missiles are guided by the radar signature in the aircraft, so if the aircraft's radar is off the missile flys dumb

i may be wrong but I think the majority of radar - guided missiles simply follow the beam produced by the aircraft that launched them, enemy aircrafts are spotted by the aircraft's radar which works in the conventional way, emits radio waves that are reflected by aircrafts. that's why the f117 has such a weird shape: it doesn't reflect the radio waves so the radars are not able to spot it

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2006-07-02 12:00:25

#14

Umibozu_IT: Member; +15|6958|Italy

SpectreGunship wrote:
tupla_s wrote:
They use chaffs and flares
chaff are pieces of aluminum cut to the wavelength of the enemy radar to fool radar seeking missiles such as the AIM-7 Sparrow and flares are heat sources to evade heat-seekers such as AIM-9 sidewinders. Also evasive maneuvers and speed of the aircraft. Certain AA, like stingers, can easily be out-distanced by fast moving jets, other times missiles can be thrown off by hard banking and moves such as the split-s which make it hard to follow, although these are mostly used to avoid the enemy jet from being able to shoot in the first place. Really the best way to avoid AA is to blow it up at night with your stealth fighters so the next day your bombers and strike fighters can blow up thiers on the ground.

agm-88 HARM FTW

2006-07-02 12:05:25

#15

De_Jappe: Triarii; +432|6838|Belgium

I read on this forum somewhere from a RL pilot that a lock almost certain means death. That's why they operate on huge heigths so the AA can't reach them. If it locks, they try to flare. Don't think there are many 'nice maneuvres' to outsmart the missiles that a human body can stand

2006-07-02 12:05:58

#16

SpectreGunship: Member; +5|6879

Umibozu_IT wrote:
if i recall correctly there are also pods which jam enemy radars

E6-Prowler, good for locating and jamming radar/radar-based AA with jamming pods and HARM(High-speed anti radiation missiles) and the E3 Sentry AWACS is good for locating enemy air assets. The USAF also had another plane, i forget its name, that could provide cover from radar for friendly aircraft in a 400 mile radius, although it was still vunerable to radar based weapons. I'm not sure if its still used.

2006-07-02 12:12:14

#17

Last2Stand: Member; +7|6840

I also think the military is developing lasers that neutralize missiles. I read it in our local newpaper a while ago.

2006-07-02 12:15:54

#18

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7077|UK

They have diplomatic immunity just the bad guy in lethal weapon 2.

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2006-07-02 12:17:33

#19

SpectreGunship: Member; +5|6879

Last2Stand wrote:
I also think the military is developing lasers that neutralize missiles. I read it in our local newpaper a while ago.

Point-Defense Lasers, the last time i heard about these they were testing them at intercepting and destroying artillery rounds. the laser however is very large, sits on a compound in the desert and is powered by 4 nuclear reactors. its showing good results and is a good idea, it will however take many many years for this to be small enough to mount on vehicles.

2006-07-02 13:06:37

#20

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7077|UK

No he means small lasers that are on planes, and yes they do exist they heat up the tip of the missle causing its explosives to explode.

2006-07-02 13:12:55

#21

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6840|Global Command

SpectreGunship wrote:
Point-Defense Lasers, the last time i heard about these they were testing them at intercepting and destroying artillery rounds. the laser however is very large, sits on a compound in the desert and is powered by 4 nuclear reactors. its showing good results and is a good idea, it will however take many many years for this to be small enough to mount on vehicles.

this guy knows his stuff peeps.

2006-07-02 13:15:14

#22

DeoValente9: Member; +9|6832|Jhb, South Africa

Depends, when they fly over Japan and get locked, they drop anime and arb sexual figurines depicting bukakke or something alike

etc :p

2006-07-02 13:20:27

#23

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7077|UK

Alexanderthegrape wrote:
SpectreGunship wrote:
Point-Defense Lasers, the last time i heard about these they were testing them at intercepting and destroying artillery rounds. the laser however is very large, sits on a compound in the desert and is powered by 4 nuclear reactors. its showing good results and is a good idea, it will however take many many years for this to be small enough to mount on vehicles.
this guy knows his stuff peeps.

well i do physics and i know that you can get small enough lasers that use high level frequency's that will melt things or pass enough energy onto the material. I know there are prototype planes that have these lasers, they just follow the missle when it gets close enough.

2006-07-02 14:21:13

#24

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7027

flares for heat seaking and chaff for radar seaking

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2006-07-02 17:03:15

#25

Stags: Member; +26|6967

It depends on the missile. Flares and chaff work. However, let's take Vietnam and SAMs (or big long telephone poles... best way to describe them) Anyways, if the pilot sees it coming he dodge it by going at the missile then sharply turning one way. SAMs being big long telephone poles can turn as easily as a jet and just go out of control.

Smaller missiles. Same with flares and chaff, also smaller missiles might me more manuverable but they still have to catch up to a jet which can hopefully out fly and manuver the missile. Also the smaller ones have way less fuel so they don't go as far.

Hmm... would be so much better if I took the time to find some graphics. Oh well.

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