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2006-06-26 14:08:47
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|6965|Salt Lake City

Before you respond, I reiterate that this purely hypothetical!!!

The hypothetical situation:

A. It is determined that homosexuality has a physical/medical cause, and is not a mental decision made by choice.

B. An easy test is developed that could identify the medical condition that would let people know if their child would be homosexual prior to birth.

The hypothetical questions:

1. Would this change the opinions that homosexuals are unnatural, and are in fact are the way they are because they were born that way?

2. Would those who oppose homosexuals on the basis of the Bible now accept that God may have in fact made some people this way, and that the Bible only says it because they lacked the medical knowledge to know any better.

3. If the answer to 1 & 2 is no, would those opposed to homosexuality and abortion choose to have the baby knowing it would be homosexual, or would they abort it?
2006-06-26 14:27:38
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6826|Seattle

4. Why do dikes use dildos?
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
2006-06-26 15:53:14
Havazn
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Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

1. Would this change the opinions that homosexuals are unnatural, and are in fact are the way they are because they were born that way?
This is more a philosophical question due to the arguement that even if it is a choice, it is natural for humans to make choices thanks to our consciousness.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

2. Would those who oppose homosexuals on the basis of the Bible now accept that God may have in fact made some people this way, and that the Bible only says it because they lacked the medical knowledge to know any better.
I cannot comment on it because I do not oppose homosexuality. However, I feel that if someone does oppose it based on the Bible, shouldn't they accept the fact that God gave us the ability to make these choices?

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

3. If the answer to 1 & 2 is no, would those opposed to homosexuality and abortion choose to have the baby knowing it would be homosexual, or would they abort it?
Again, I cannot comment, however you pose a very good question for those who do oppose it and I await a reponse eagerly.
2006-06-26 17:23:01
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Havazn wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

1. Would this change the opinions that homosexuals are unnatural, and are in fact are the way they are because they were born that way?
This is more a philosophical question due to the arguement that even if it is a choice, it is natural for humans to make choices thanks to our consciousness.

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

2. Would those who oppose homosexuals on the basis of the Bible now accept that God may have in fact made some people this way, and that the Bible only says it because they lacked the medical knowledge to know any better.
I cannot comment on it because I do not oppose homosexuality. However, I feel that if someone does oppose it based on the Bible, shouldn't they accept the fact that God gave us the ability to make these choices?

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

3. If the answer to 1 & 2 is no, would those opposed to homosexuality and abortion choose to have the baby knowing it would be homosexual, or would they abort it?
Again, I cannot comment, however you pose a very good question for those who do oppose it and I await a reponse eagerly.
I highly suspect those at which this question is directed will not come to debate it, as they have no real answer.  Given the nature of the hypothetical questions posed, it would be lose-lose for them.  They've tried to have their cake and eat it too, and I suspect that some day it will come back and bite them on the ass.
2006-06-26 17:27:21
<[onex]>Headstone
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+102|6931|New York
I would have it aborted, Id treat it as an uncurable birth defect. Sorry if this offends, But you wanted an answer.
2006-06-26 17:30:01
darad0
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bbq time.
2006-06-26 17:30:16
SgtSlutter
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King_County_Downy wrote:

4. Why do dikes use dildos?
lol
2006-06-26 17:30:28
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|6965|Salt Lake City

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

I would have it aborted, Id treat it as an uncurable birth defect. Sorry if this offends, But you wanted an answer.
And so you support abortion on demand?

In fact, lets take this hypothetical one step further.  Let's say that you and/or your wife carry a recessive gene and causes homosxuality.  Are you going to divorce your wife since there is no reason for your to be married.  Let me quote you from the "US in 2008" thread.

Ok smacktard first off lets see, Gays Shouldnt have rights as do a man and a woman in MARRAGE! The whole meanning behind MARRAGE is to procriate the population. How the fuck is a Gay suppose to do that? Shit one out?
Since you won't procreate a gay person, as you noted in your comment, you no longer have a reason to be married.  Especially if you are the carrier of the recessive gene that causes the "defect", as you call it.

Please, I'd really like to hear you comments regarding this.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-06-26 17:40:14)

2006-06-26 17:36:56
Havok
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+302|6904|Florida, United States

I personally believe homosexuality is a choice made during teenage and young adult years.  I will take into example my first day of high school; I saw so many gay/lesbian seniors is almost scared me because its something you'd never see or even talk about in junior high years.  I do not oppose homosexuality or any rights such as gay marrige or abortion because I believe they are merely choices that we make, and besides, who am I to say, "No, you can't do that."  Please don't neg karma me based on my opinions.
2006-06-26 17:41:46
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Havok wrote:

I personally believe homosexuality is a choice made during teenage and young adult years.  I will take into example my first day of high school; I saw so many gay/lesbian seniors is almost scared me because its something you'd never see or even talk about in junior high years.  I do not oppose homosexuality or any rights such as gay marrige or abortion because I believe they are merely choices that we make, and besides, who am I to say, "No, you can't do that."  Please don't neg karma me based on my opinions.
Again, this is purely hypothetical.  I understand what you are saying, but I'd like to keep the responses within the guidelines of the initial question.

As I noted in the beginning, this is purely hypothetical, and I'm by no means advocating that homosexuality is caused by a medical condition.
2006-06-27 10:58:35
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Wow, this thread died fast.  While I don't agree with Headstone, at least he was honest and had the balls to post.
2006-06-27 11:01:35
S3v3N
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+685|6747|Montucky
If a Fat girl falls in the woods.. do the trees laugh?
2006-06-27 11:06:41
eagles1106
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i dont oppose homo sexuality anyway, so even they do or dont choose to be that way, does that give people the right to oppose it just because a person is being who they are, and i dont like how bush is against it....
i myself am not homo sexual, but i still approve of it.
2006-06-27 11:07:24
Erkut.hv
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While I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle, I believe life is sacred, so the child would be born gay.

At that point the child's lifestyle is out of my hands upon reaching age 18. I would love the child regardless. While not approving of the lifestyle, I would not hate my child because of the decision.
2006-06-27 11:15:17
nikki_lighthouse
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Wow, I'm impressed with the fact that this thread hasn't descended into five pages of bigotted bile, it's very cool that people have expressed their opinions without it getting all crazy.

My personal standpoint would be this; it should make no difference because as far as I understand it the "hardline" Christian position is that even if people are born gay they should not act on it as it is against God and if God did make them that way he did it as a test. (Obviously there are lots of different interpretations on it but I think that is the mainstream.) So even if it is a medical / genetic thing it should make no odds.

As regards abortion, anyone who believes that homosexuallity is against God should by rights be anti-abortion too. If they are not then they are taking on board only parts of Gods teachings and disregarding others and that, to me, is not true Christianity. So the only difference I can see it making is that parents would be "forwarned" and might put their children into "anit-gay" therapy early in their lives. That to me would be an awful thing and I hope I never live to see it happen.

As a final point people should remember that the research which has been publicised recently applies only to gay men and even then shows quite a lot of variance. As yet they have been able to find nothing to indicate why women "tunr out" gay. But I realise that this whole thing was hypothetical and so current research isn't that relevant. Good thread man!
2006-06-27 11:25:05
KEN-JENNINGS
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Havok wrote:

I personally believe homosexuality is a choice made during teenage and young adult years.
Did you make a choice to be heterosexual during those years?  Did you look at men and women sexually before that?

I know that the scientific proof isn't there 100% yet, but doesn't it seem to be a logical conclusion that men and women can be born homosexual?  No one here decided that they were heterosexual, they just kind of always knew it.

On topic, I would not abort the baby.  I do not care about the sexual preference of my baby, I would love it unconditionally.
2006-06-27 11:28:04
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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I see what your trying to do here Agent_Dung_Bomb but the problem with the hypothetical question, is that it would bring the science vs. religion debate.  Years of teachings are not likely to subdue because of scientific evidence, so even though your hypothetical question is fair, it would bring around an other debate.
2006-06-27 11:28:06
acidkiller187
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[1FR]S3v3N wrote:

If a Fat girl falls in the woods.. do the trees laugh?
No i don't think so cause she probably killed them all in the fall

https://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8718/bigass13sh.jpg

Last edited by acidkiller187 (2006-06-27 11:33:34)

2006-06-27 11:32:54
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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I'm glad to see some logical/honest answers to these questions.  Keep it coming, this is quite interesting.  As Capt.fass1 pointed out, even in the face of science, religious dogma is hard to change.

I also applaud those keeping the debate civil.
2006-06-27 11:36:02
Mike_J
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I believe homosexuality is a disease.  A mental disorder.  Although, I do not believe a homosexual should be denied human rights; I also believe homosexuality shouldn't be encouraged.  Please don't give the whole "well homosexuality existed in ancient times therefore it must be okay" arguement.  Diseases and mental disorders also existed during those times as well, and it doesn't make them okay or things to be proud about today.  It also doesn't mean homosexuals should be scorned upon either though.  Certainly noone pokes fun at or denies kindness to those with cancer or PTSD right (well, at least they shouldn't)?
2006-06-27 11:39:35
Erkut.hv
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Mike_J wrote:

I believe homosexuality is a disease.  A mental disorder.  Although, I do not believe a homosexual should be denied human rights; I also believe homosexuality shouldn't be encouraged.  Please don't give the whole "well homosexuality existed in ancient times therefore it must be okay" arguement.  Diseases and mental disorders also existed during those times as well, and it doesn't make them okay or things to be proud about today.  It also doesn't mean homosexuals should be scorned upon either though.  Certainly noone pokes fun at or denies kindness to those with cancer or PTSD right (well, at least they shouldn't)?
So what would you do if you knew your child was going to be born gay (hypothetical)? Try to stay on topic please, this is very interesting.
2006-06-27 11:49:42
cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
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Well in Mike_J's and erkut.hv's opions if you were having a child who was going to have down syndrome would you abort it?
2006-06-27 11:52:49
Mike_J
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Erkut.hv wrote:

Mike_J wrote:

I believe homosexuality is a disease.  A mental disorder.  Although, I do not believe a homosexual should be denied human rights; I also believe homosexuality shouldn't be encouraged.  Please don't give the whole "well homosexuality existed in ancient times therefore it must be okay" arguement.  Diseases and mental disorders also existed during those times as well, and it doesn't make them okay or things to be proud about today.  It also doesn't mean homosexuals should be scorned upon either though.  Certainly noone pokes fun at or denies kindness to those with cancer or PTSD right (well, at least they shouldn't)?
So what would you do if you knew your child was going to be born gay (hypothetical)? Try to stay on topic please, this is very interesting.
I would still treat him/her with kindness and love (as you can infer from my earlier post), but I would also look into cures for it.  Same with say an incurable cancer.  I would have no reason not to treat my child with love, but knowing there is no cure, then obviously I would have to continue living with it.  I feel that God has a reason for everything, and I'd probably guess it'd be to teach me more tolerance in this case.  From the child's point of view, I'd have no idea how to guess God's reasoning for this circumstance.  Regardless, I'd treat my child the same way as I would any other of my children (lol assuming I had any ).

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cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well in Mike_J's and erkut.hv's opions if you were having a child who was going to have down syndrome would you abort it?
Honestly I wouldn't know what I'd actually do because I'd have conflicting thoughts.  On one hand, I'd feel that a disorder isn't a good enough reason to treat a child differently than another, but I'd also think that I certainly wouldn't want to have that disorder myself and I doubt the child would either.  If the mother wanted to have an abortion, then I'd support her if she would have it pretty early on before the child starts forming (really early, but no matter what I'd probably still have guilt).  All in all, I'd leave that decision to the mother.

Last edited by Mike_J (2006-06-27 12:01:02)

2006-06-27 11:56:07
Erkut.hv
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cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well in Mike_J's and erkut.hv's opions if you were having a child who was going to have down syndrome would you abort it?
No. It is my child, I would do anything within my power to make sure it has the best life possible, and is afforded the same opportunities as anyone else.

Re-read my post, I said I didn't approve of the lifestyle, but I don't hate people who live that way.
2006-06-27 12:01:03
=TFF=Omen_NataS
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I'm sorry but i do not see how people can turn Gay Look at this Pic and tell me it doesn't disturb you

https://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1032/00315zv.jpg

 

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