BF2S Forums WMD"S found in Iraq!!!!

Jepeto87 wrote:

Wow 6 bullet points.... thats all there is on the document the Senators were faxed... Thanks Yuck for yet more concrete evidence...

You want to post a link for the Osama connection?

As soon as its up I will link it.

isn't it a bit strange that the only news agency who are running this story is FOX, and nobody else.

herrr_smity wrote:

isn't it a bit strange that the only news agency who are running this story is FOX, and nobody else.
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Well CNN hasnt found a way to call them liars yet.

I would take anything Fox says with a pinch of salt. Here are a few of the headlines it burst out with durring 2003 on the run up to the war while trying to help justify invading Iraqi and proving how much of a puppet it is.


March 14:  On The Fox Report anchor Shepard Smith reports that Saddam is planning to use flood water as a weapon by blowing up dams and causing severe flood damage.

March 19:  Fox anchor Shepard Smith reports that Iraqis are planning to detonate large stores of napalm buried deep below the earth to scorch coalition forces.   Fox Military Analyst Major Bob Bevelacqua states that coalition forces will drop a MOAB on Saddam's bunker [!!] and give him the "Mother of All Sunburns."

March 23: The network begins 2 days of unequivocal assertions that a 100-acre facility discovered by coalition forces at An Najaf is a chemical weapons plant.   Much is made about the fact that it was booby trapped.  A former UN weapons inspector interviewed on camera over the phone downplays the WMD allegations and says that booby-trapping is common.  His points are ignored as unequivocal charges of a chemical weapons facility are made on Fox for yet another day (March 24).  Only weeks later is it briefly conceded that the chemicals definitively detected at the facility were pesticides.

March 24:  Oliver North reports that the staff at the French embassy in Baghdad are destroying documents.  [How could he know this?]

March 24: Fox and Friends. Anchor Juliet Huddy asks Colonel David hunt why coalition forces don't "blow up" Al Jazeera TV. [The context of the discussion makes it clear that she doesn't know the difference between Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV!!!! Juliet Huddy is a beautiful woman but not very bright.]

March 28:  Repeated assertions by Fox News anchors of a red ring around Baghdad in which Republican Guard forces were planning to use chemical weapons on coalition forces.  A Fox "Breaking News" flash reports that Iraqi soldiers were seen by coalition forces moving 55-gallon drums almost certainly containing chemical agents.

April 7:  Fox, echoing NPR, reports that U.S. forces near Baghdad have discovered a weapons cache of 20 medium-range missiles containing sarin and mustard gas.   Initial tests show that the deadly chemicals are not "trace elements."
[In the coming weeks, this embarrassing non-discovery is quickly stomped down the Memory Hole.  The missiles were never mentioned again.]

April 10:  Fox "Breaking News" report of weapons-grade plutonium found at Al Tuwaitha.  [In the coming weeks this "discovery" was expeditiously shoved down the Memory Hole as well.]

April 10 (3 p.m. EDT: Reporter Rick Leventhal)  Fox "Breaking News" report:  A mobile bioweapons lab is found.  Video of a tiny tan truck—about the size of the smallest truck that U-Haul rents – which had its cargo bed and fuel tank shot up with bullets after a looter tried to drive it away. Repeated assertions that this is most definitely a "bioweapons" lab.  A graphic sequence is shown of a large Winnebago-type vehicle that is massive compared to the tiny truck found.  The irony of this escapes the Fox newscasters and defense "experts." 
[This was the first "bioweapons lab" found, not the larger one later found in Mosul.  A week later it is briefly conceded that the tiny truck was probably never a bio weapons lab, but promises that real ones will pour forth from the landscape continue.  The second phantom lab, a large tractor-trailer truck was discovered around May 2 by Kurdish fighters.]

April 10:  To show that France is in bed with Saddam Hussein, Fox begins running old footage of Saddam Hussein's September 1975 trip to Paris to meet with Jacques Chirac and tour a nuclear power plant.  [Because Fox strives so hard to be "Fair and Balanced," it's all the more curious how it fails to inform its audience about another trip four years later, this one to Baghdad on December 19, 1983 made by Reagan envoy and then former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld (see pic below).  The network again, because it's so very "Fair and Balanced," also inexplicably forgot to tell its audience about another trip by Rummy to Baghdad, this time on March 24, 1984, the very same day that a U.N. team found that Iraqi forces had used mustard gas laced with a nerve agent on Iranian soldiers.  Rummy obviously wasn't too concerned about the charges of gassing, as in 1986 when he was considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination of 1988, he listed his restoration of diplomatic relations with WMD-using Iraq as one of his proudest achievements.  But all that's an eternity ago for Imperial Conservatives with a 20-second attention span.  The Fox newscasters rename Jacques Chirac "Jacques Iraq"(yuk, yuk, yuk – what a side splitter!) and keep going.] 

April 7:  Repeated ominous footage of barrels buried in a below-ground shed near Karbala.  The implication is that the Iraqi landscape is replete with these types of shelters, all of them brimming with evidence of chemical weapons.  [These were revealed to be agricultural chemicals as well.]

April 22:  Lt. Colonel Robert Maginnis states on The O'Reilly Factor that the probability of finding WMDs is a 10 out of 10.  [This is the same Robert Maginnis who predicted a double-ring defense of Baghdad in the Washington Times on January 7.]  O'Reilly states that if no WMDs are found within a month from today, then that spells big trouble.  O'Reilly promises to explore the issue a month later.   [Cool, let's hold his feet to the fire on that promise.  On an earlier show he said that U.S. credibility would be "shot" if no WMDs were found. ]

May 8: Fox News Military Analyst Major General Paul Vallely states on The O’Reilly Factor that "Middle East agents" have told him that Iraq’s WMDs along with 17 mobile weapons labs (1 of which was captured around May 2) are now buried in the Bakaa Valley in Syria 30 meters underground.  He also claims that France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers [a charge that even the Pentagon later denies although it's apparent that's where Vallely got his information].

May 11:  On The Fox Report with Rick Folbaum it is conceded that the nefarious captured trailer contains not a shred of evidence of WMDs, but Folbaum hints that what’s important is that the trailer could have been used to make them.  [Hmmm.  I thought we went to war for actual WMDs, not for the ability to make WMDs.]

May 16:  Special Report with Brit Hume.  Muslims, citing Islam's ban of alcohol, are torching liquor stores and threatening their Christian owners.   Under Saddam's secular regime, Christian names were banned and schools were nationalized, but guns and alcohol were freely available; there was tolerance for Iraq's 1 million Catholic and Protestant Christians.  In New and Improved Neocon Iraq, there's a letter circulating in Baghdad threatening violence to even the families of women who refuse to wear the traditional Muslim head covering.  [The report is yet another interesting and reluctant concession of unintended consequences.]                 

May 19:  O'Reilly discusses a number of inflammatory and bogus charges that were floated in the U.S. media about France (e.g., France supplied Iraq with precision switches used in nuclear weapons, French companies sold spare parts to Iraq for military planes and helicopters, France possessed illegal strains of smallpox, France helped Iraqi leaders escape to Europe by providing them with travel papers).  Recall this last charge was made by Major General Paul Vallely on May 8 on The O'Reilly Factor.  Again, the Pentagon denies all such charges although much of the Beltway thinks it's obvious that the Pentagon is the source of them.  O'Reilly claims that Vallely is only irresponsible if the charges don't turn out to be true.  O'Reilly refers to documents that prove that the French government was briefing Saddam right until the war started. [Briefed on what?]

May 22:  O'Reilly fails to live up to his promise to make a big stink if no WMDs are found by today.  In his Talking Points Memo he wonders why the U.S. has caught such informed Iraqis as Dr. Germ and Ms. Anthrax and has gotten no leads.  He states that more time is needed [contradicting what he said more than a month ago, when he said that if no WMDs were found after 2 months U.S. credibility would be "shot" and there would be big trouble].   He ends his Memo saying Bush must candidly address the situation soon. 

June 2:  [Unfortunately for O'Reilly, Bush isn't candidly explaining anything.]  A video clip on Fox and Friends is shown with Bush in Poland claiming that "[w]e found" weapons of mass destruction.  His evidence?  Two trailers found near Mosul that were supposedly used as mobile bioweapons labs.  [A June 7 article by the Times' Judith Miller reports serious doubts by some analysts that the two trailers were used as mobile bioweapons labs.   Said one senior analyst about the initial CIA report, it "was a rushed job and looks political."   Yes, they violated U.N. resolutions but this is another red herring to suggest WMDs.]       

June 4:  O'Reilly's Talking Points Memo:  [Surreal.]  O'Reilly says that the WMD issue has now been politicized [!!].   The war was a just war because there's now great progress between Palestinians and Israelis and that alone made the war worthwhile [?!!].  Also the mass graves and other horrors discovered add to the case for war.  The intelligence was either wrong or more time is needed to find the WMDs.  [Again contradicting what he said on and before April 22.]


I would wait and see what other news groups and people on the ground say before I would beleive a single word that comes outa Fox.

Same as JahManRed and Schuss...

CNN > Fox

Here's is what's wrong with the title of this thread

1) Until it's either on Rueters or the BBC, I aint believing it

2) This, "which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent" proves it all to me.  Most Fox viewers probably will be confused by the word "degraded" but that means, they aren't useable and will never be useable, hence it's as good a not having them.

3) Mustard gas and sarin aren't weapons of mass destruction is my book.  They are chemical weapons for sure but they aint nukes.

4) Both Britain and the US have openly admitted that Iraq never had any WMDs at it was a mistake.  Even your own government admits it, why can't you?

Last edited by =OBS= EstebanRey (2006-06-22 05:26:43)

they closed this thread before I could get to it yesterday, but Alexander started one in which I posted this:

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun … ing_1.html
http://boortz.com/nuze/200405/05182004.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=38213
http://www.etherzone.com/forum/index.ph … 590.0.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy … ge=printer
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadAr … p?ID=14670
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?P … 0621e.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic … E_ID=39182

to those of us that don't rely on John Stewart and Saturday Night Live for our news this is old news, and yes, Fox news is in there, but so is the lib wet dream "Washington Post"

and as I said before, his blocking inspections alone was a violation of the WMD clause in the surrender agreement

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Here's is what's wrong with the title of this thread

1) Until it's either on Rueters or the BBC, I aint believing it

2) This, "which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent" proves it all to me.  Most Fox viewers probably will be confused by the word "degraded" but that means, they aren't useable and will never be useable, hence it's as good a not having them.

3) Mustard gas and sarin aren't weapons of mass destruction is my book.  They are chemical weapons for sure but they aint nukes.

4) Both Britain and the US have openly admitted that Iraq never had any WMDs at it was a mistake.  Even your own government admits it, why can't you?

1>  you, too , would enjoy "the daily show with john stewart"
2> I have a degraded rusty knife, it's harmless
3> Funny since they were WMD's in the UN's book, the surrender treaty, resolutions 678, 687, 1441, as well as the books of a few million jews, kurds, and shiite muslims that didn't agree with saddam and hitler
4> they said that Saddam's cpacity wasn't as large as he had wanted everyone to believe, some think that this was the actual reason for his blocking weapons inspections, so his neighbors wouldn't know that he wasn't really packing the heat he let on

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-06-22 05:51:50)

once again pwned?
half of your post supports the fact that Saddam was in violation of the WMD clause, the other half is some circular reasoning which, well, supports that saddam was in violation of the WMD clause

I mean c'mon "Other knwon munitions, stores, what have you, could've easily been looted or ransacked as the invasion was begin."
so if my neighbor steals all my meth then I couldn't possibly have been running a meth lab?


try reading my links (just a few of several dozen) before you oversimplify the situation

here they are full length

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=30973

Marconius wrote:

Expect Osama bin Laden to be captured come November.

That would ruin some peoples day, wouldn't it?

CNS wrote:

By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
June 22, 2006
08:32 am



Sen. Clinton Accuses GOP of 'Playing Politics' With War

(CNSNews.com) - Republicans are a "disgrace" for playing politics with the war in Iraq, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said on Wednesday during the Senate debate on the war -- a debate prompted this time by Democrats courting the anti-war vote. "They choose to tar all who disagree with an open-ended, unconditional commitment as unpatriotic, as waving the white flag of surrender. They may not have a war strategy, but they do have an election strategy," Clinton said the Senate floor. "The politically motivated resolutions put forth by leading Republicans to gain tactical partisan advantage are a disgrace," she fumed. Democrats have prolonged the debate by introducing two resolutions on withdrawing U.S. troops. Republicans expect both measures -- one from Sens. John F. Kerry/Russ Feingold and another from Sens. Carl Levin/Jack Reed to be voted down on Thursday.

hmmm....playing politics with the war....how shocking!

Does anyone think the timing of this news is, to say the least, suspicious.  It's kind of like raising the security level to red when the Whitehouse started losing political ground.

Last edited by GATOR591957 (2006-06-22 08:48:26)

From reading several reports, it seems that the "chemical weapons", are actually unused shells pre-dating the gulf war, circa 1991. Another point, the U.S, U.K, and other countries, sold weapons, gas, chemicals, and hardware to Saddam in the late eighties, to early nineties. I think we all remember the infamous pictures/video of Donald Rumsfeld meeting with and shaking hands with Saddam Hussein.