Husker~ifh~
Beer Consumption Expert
+25|6959|Beerville, USA
Indiscriminate Killings of Civilians?  Well now isn't that ironic....

After reading several posts over the last few weeks, since the "Haditha Incident", and the allegations made by some that the U.S. is the only country that produces "Unjustified Killers" I can't help but ask, WTF?  I would appear that the general over all mindset in Iraq is a "Shoot First" ask questions later.  I think it's safe to say that would include all factions and forces and NOT just the U.S.  At least in the Haditha incident those soldiers were at least attacked before they reacted, though I still do not condone the shooting of unarmed soldiers/civilians.

A video has surfaced on the Internet showing private security contractors working for Aegis Defense Services "Victory" Group firing indiscriminately at Iraqi civilian motorists in Baghdad.

Since the news has been released, acknowledged by the mainstream British press, including The Telegraph (see article below), the video has been removed.from the Aegis co Iraq website.


http://globalresearch.ca/audiovideo/Aegis-PSD.wmv : **Note: love the music BTW!!!

Iraqis complain that the force used by contractors, who are immune from prosecution under an order signed into Iraqi law last year, is often excessive. source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 02356.html

Now how is it that Civilian Contractors are not held accountable for their actions nor are they held to any kind of "Rules of Engagement" (ROE)?  Sure, the employee's that produced this video will by all means have actions taken against them but what about the thousands for other contractors running a muck?

This is not meant to be a bash on Britain or British citizens, I just wanted to make 2 points:

1. The U.S. is obviously not the only foreign country in Iraq that has done something that brings up "Questionable Conduct".

2. Are Civilian Contractors are given entirely to much leniency when it comes to daily operations in Iraq.  Understanding that they are hired to provide security and are authorized to carry weapons, but so are soldiers, yet soldiers are restricted by "Rules of Engagement".  Even in the Haditha incident, though the end result was of unacceptable consequence, they at least were ambushed and fired at before returning fire.

Edit > Added:

And "YES" I know, this is all second hand news, I wasn't there so no I don't know the exact circumstances of this entire incident.  I will neither confirm or deny the fact that if it was me in that car I would or would not have done the same thing with the constant fear of being blown up by a car bomb.

Last edited by Husker~ifh~ (2006-06-18 15:54:48)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7000|PNW

Of interest to note, civilian contractors of the non-violent sort have often been persecuted in Iraq.
arson
Member
+99|6865|New York
They looked like they were shooting cars at random... This is criminal and I hope they didnt kill anyone.  What a bunch of idiots.  I feel bad for the civilians over there who just want to live free and have to live in this type of a world. I hope it cleans up fast so they can have a peceful life.
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6779|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth
Just to let the OP know, Aegia is British but was hired and instructed by the US under the contract it has with the pentagon.  This incident was also investigated by the Americans because of this and they were cleared.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5080970.stm
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790
The difference is, those aren't but of Britain's armed forces contribution.  It's like comparing a bouncer to a police officer.  According to The Age Australian soldiers have shot 4 civilians in Iraq during the occupation (note, that's 4 shot, not 4 killed, IIRC).
deathhaven
Member
+4|6916
well I would venture to say that you just dont try to keep overtaking a vehicle that is shooting at you,I think I would blow the tranny trying to get the damn thing in reverse and get the hell out of there.
MorbidFetus
Member
+76|6780|Ohio
Remember the four burnt up American bodies that were strung up on a bridge in Fallujah? They were mercenaries from Blackwater Security.

*The driver of that silver Mercedes smacked the fuck out of his head on the windshield.

Last edited by MorbidFetus (2006-06-19 04:25:58)

JahManRed
wank
+646|6857|IRELAND

These contractor firms are just another way of siphoning money from the Rebuilding of Iraqi fund and directing it to Multinational companies, the cronies of Bush and Blair. These guys are on $1000 dollars a day. I bet a solider ain't earning that kind of money. So ask yourself. Why don't we just employ solders? I bet you could pay 3-4 solders for the same money.
MorbidFetus
Member
+76|6780|Ohio

JahManRed wrote:

Why don't we just employ solders? I bet you could pay 3-4 solders for the same money.
Because when the news finds out American soldiers are burning Iraqi penises with soldering irons shits gonna get ugly (Abu Ghraib anyone?). Hiring contract killers takes some of the negative away from his approval rating since someone else is technically doing the dirty work.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790
Oh, well that's a good reason.  Seriously, Bush should just go into the UN and say he's using private contractors to dodge human rights legislation.  I'm sure they'd understand.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6872

Bubbalo wrote:

The difference is, those aren't but of Britain's armed forces contribution.  It's like comparing a bouncer to a police officer.  According to The Age Australian soldiers have shot 4 civilians in Iraq during the occupation (note, that's 4 shot, not 4 killed, IIRC).
or like comparing a police officer to a soldier.....

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