and you combat that with ducks?the_heart_attack wrote:
with that statement sadly for yourself you have removed any shred of credibility you ever would have had on here, and proved how ignorant you really are.
yes your right it is a war, its bushes war on his own credibility and thats about it.lowing wrote:
Walks like a duck swims like a duck quacks like a duck........it is a duck.............this is a war.
If you have never heard of that expression then tough.look it up.the_heart_attack wrote:
and you combat that with ducks?the_heart_attack wrote:
with that statement sadly for yourself you have removed any shred of credibility you ever would have had on here, and proved how ignorant you really are.yes your right it is a war, its bushes war on his own credibility and thats about it.lowing wrote:
Walks like a duck swims like a duck quacks like a duck........it is a duck.............this is a war.
Except you ignored what he said. The Afghan war 'ended' 4 years ago.lowing wrote:
If you have never heard of that expression then tough.look it up.the_heart_attack wrote:
and you combat that with ducks?the_heart_attack wrote:
with that statement sadly for yourself you have removed any shred of credibility you ever would have had on here, and proved how ignorant you really are.yes your right it is a war, its bushes war on his own credibility and thats about it.lowing wrote:
Walks like a duck swims like a duck quacks like a duck........it is a duck.............this is a war.
the war in Iraq was approved by the UN in 1990. the action over there now is a continuation of what was started and not finished 15 years ago. It was halted because a cease fire had been agreed to ( the UN resolutions). I raq broke the resolutions for 8 years and thus hostilities once again commenced.
the Afghan war is ours we were attacked and we will defend..No appologies
who wouldnt have heard of it.lowing wrote:
If you have never heard of that expression then tough.look it up.
what about in 2001????lowing wrote:
the war in Iraq was approved by the UN in 1990.
Once again, I'm truly sorry for all that happened then and so on, but how long can you use it as an excuse for immoral actions? No one even has proof that those held in guantanamo had anything to with wtc. Go on, post some more. With every post you humiliate yourself a little more.lowing wrote:
Nope, not my job....I did my hitch in the military already. Hard to watch your "real people suffering" after watching MY people ( American citizens ) jumping form a 1000 ft building after it was hit by commercial airliners.......you and they have come to the wrong person looking for any ounce of sympathy for any of them.PekkaA wrote:
Iowing wrote:
At least it will be YOUR expeirences we are talking about and not what you heardIn a normal persons logic I assume you have been in Guantamo and seen in real lfe what kind of animals they are. Please, go and watch that movie. It's about REAL people who suffered because morons like you voted that travesty of man into white house.Iowing wrote:
I will tell you just how I feel about those stinkin animals held as POW's in Gitmo.......maybe if the rest of them hurry up and kill themselves and go to mecca we can close the place down.
Spark.......Spark wrote:
Lowing, the reason practically everyone on this thread doesn't like you:
1. You are stuck in a very, very narrow-minded position.
2. You refuse any other's opinions.
3. If someone shows you a fault in your argument, you resort to personal attacks and a 'NAA NAA' approach.
4. You have not gven a shred of evidence to back yourself up.
Just because you're in a war means you can do whatever you want to gitmo detainees. Should we forgive Japan for massacring POWs and mistreating them because they were fighting a war?
Sorry ya feel that way, but your opinion of how humiliated I should feel for caring more about my own country and countrymen, over those that would see us harmed concerns me very little. I will never forget what happened on 911, so yes I can and will hold a grudge over those that are responsible, those that financed it, those that cheered when it happened and those that defended it. I will also hold my grudge against all of you that think we should just get over it.PekkaA wrote:
Once again, I'm truly sorry for all that happened then and so on, but how long can you use it as an excuse for immoral actions? No one even has proof that those held in guantanamo had anything to with wtc. Go on, post some more. With every post you humiliate yourself a little more.lowing wrote:
Nope, not my job....I did my hitch in the military already. Hard to watch your "real people suffering" after watching MY people ( American citizens ) jumping form a 1000 ft building after it was hit by commercial airliners.......you and they have come to the wrong person looking for any ounce of sympathy for any of them.PekkaA wrote:
In a normal persons logic I assume you have been in Guantamo and seen in real lfe what kind of animals they are. Please, go and watch that movie. It's about REAL people who suffered because morons like you voted that travesty of man into white house.
If they are considered LOWER than POW's then I feel even better. Next time, they might wanna reconsider supporting attacks on our country.PekkaA wrote:
Getting over things makes life a lot easier... There are no POW's in guantanamo. That is what US government says. That's because by denying their rights as POW you can do almost anything you like to them. Or you think you can.
not really sure what the relevance of that is...... but yes i agree with the second part.easy-skanking wrote:
we never declared war on iraq.. iraq is a conflict
i agree 100% that bush and people saying 9/11 exscuses is tired however gitmo is a place to put the extremists and im relativly confident that 99% of them fit that term.
Really? How many people have been taken there V's how many people have been released V's people convicted?easy-skanking wrote:
im relativly confident that 99% of them fit that term.
Well why don’t you hold your president accountable for it? It happened while he was “in charge”. 911 is a criminal dereliction of duty from your commander in chief.lowing wrote:
will hold a grudge over those that are responsible, those that financed it, those that cheered when it happened and those that defended it. I will also hold my grudge against all of you that think we should just get over it.
Great, then you can accuse someone of "terrorism" and basically have them locked up for the rest of their lives. And because it's not our business to know about it, who's going to know if innocent lives are being taken?lowing wrote:
POWs don't get trials.....they were caught in combat and are POW's regardless of what the PC machine says.BN wrote:
This war is not defined. It is a “war in terror". Terror has existed since Jesus was in short pants and terror will continue until the end of time. When does it end? 10, 20, 50 years?lowing wrote:
holding POW's until the end of a war is nothing new.........what is the problem?
So how long do you keep these people without trials?
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Because they act, instead of sitting on their asses like the rest of the world.Bubbalo wrote:
What makes American troops so special?TrollmeaT wrote:
These guys killed American troops, let them rot forever.
Falsely accused prisoners is always a terrible thing, which is why anyone that had to do time unjustly should be compensated for the rest of their lives.
First, I'll decide who I sympathize with.lowing wrote:
I read the link above and all that is, is an attempt at PC to shut you enemy combatant sympathizers up. ... [the detainees] are POW's regardless of what the PC machine says
So should they be put on trial or something?kr@cker wrote:
everyone seems to be trying to assign POW status to these people, most, if not all, of the detainees are there as a matter of being involved with a terrorist organization, terrorist groups are not protected by the Geneva convention, nor should they be
You still don't get it, do you? If we debate based on personal experience, we ignore a whole wealth of knowledge called HISTORY. It's this magical thing that chronicles the events of the world since we were able to record it. Because, funnily enough, there was a time before you were born. Besides which, as I have said previously, there are exceptions to every rule, and you only know a story from your point of view. But then, your view does work awfully nicely, as it allows you to exclude pretty much all comparison. Of course, it also prevents you from talking on this issue, as you haven't been a terrorist or the victim of a terrorist attack. Bad luck, try again next time.lowing wrote:
Sorry bubbalo i already PM'ed you as to how I feel about your opinions...............When you actually go out in the real world and fend for yourself. you might have something I could be interested in hearing. At least it will be YOUR expeirences we are talking about and not what you heard
They also shot at our planes everyday. If the U.N. wasn't making money off Saddam I'd bet more nations would have gone in with us and sooner.lowing wrote:
If you have never heard of that expression then tough.look it up.the_heart_attack wrote:
and you combat that with ducks?the_heart_attack wrote:
with that statement sadly for yourself you have removed any shred of credibility you ever would have had on here, and proved how ignorant you really are.yes your right it is a war, its bushes war on his own credibility and thats about it.lowing wrote:
Walks like a duck swims like a duck quacks like a duck........it is a duck.............this is a war.
the war in Iraq was approved by the UN in 1990. the action over there now is a continuation of what was started and not finished 15 years ago. It was halted because a cease fire had been agreed to ( the UN resolutions). I raq broke the resolutions for 8 years and thus hostilities once again commenced.
the Afghan war is ours we were attacked and we will defend..No appologies
pow=prisoner of war ..no war ? no pow..lowing wrote:
not really sure what the relevance of that is...... but yes i agree with the second part.easy-skanking wrote:
we never declared war on iraq.. iraq is a conflict
i agree 100% that bush and people saying 9/11 exscuses is tired however gitmo is a place to put the extremists and im relativly confident that 99% of them fit that term.
most of them are not US citizens and are not protected by the US constitution (quick and speedy trial), as for the ones that are I don't know enough about their treatment to comment, and I doubt any of us do, the point is that the US is attempting to err on the side of safety when it comes to a person turning out to be innocent, unfortunate, but if you can't come up with a safer alternative then that's what we gotta go with for nowspastic bullet wrote:
So should they be put on trial or something?kr@cker wrote:
everyone seems to be trying to assign POW status to these people, most, if not all, of the detainees are there as a matter of being involved with a terrorist organization, terrorist groups are not protected by the Geneva convention, nor should they be
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Are you not also obligated to insure you aren't the cause of injustice?AAFCptKabbom wrote:
Now, be objective and weight the facts {not the media, the actors, your youth, your emotions, nor your personal dislike for President Bush - more over use your brain}, and ask yourself "are the innocent people who have been slaughtered, murdered, tortured, etc. not deserving of any kind of justice!" Are WE not obligated to protect people in light of what happened on 9/11, England, Spain, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
When the first thing that happens after an attack is the promise of military force, I can only assume that anger is the prime motivator, not logic.AAFCptKabbom wrote:
Have we not learned from simple mistakes that we must not allow our emotions and human passions to control matters of safety and security for the innocent - how many times have we heard recently of children and women being raped and murdered and then not being surprised to find out that the monsters who did these things were early release convicted felons.
So non-US citizens are inferior to US citizens?kr@cker wrote:
most of them are not US citizens and are not protected by the US constitution (quick and speedy trial),
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