got a YES voted from me,nothing more relaxing than chillin out having a smoke & a few beers gaming/watching films.
Weed FTW.
Weed FTW.
Poll
Should Cannabis be legalised?
| Yes | 66% | 66% - 146 | ||||
| No | 33% | 33% - 74 | ||||
| Total: 220 | ||||||
Hmmm, people might choose lower quality for the same reason they do now... sort of like buying own-brand beer from the supermarket. I think the price might go up, but the highest quality available would remain the same.... does tobacco regulation prevent people from buying £1000 cigars etc.?No 1 Gooner wrote:
no because the quality would go down as it would become regulated..
Price would go down. Making something illegal inflates the price due to the risk of being caught with it.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Hmmm, people might choose lower quality for the same reason they do now... sort of like buying own-brand beer from the supermarket. I think the price might go up, but the highest quality available would remain the same.... does tobacco regulation prevent people from buying £1000 cigars etc.?
Jesus what are you talking about. Hash in Ireland is the worst quality in the world, why? Because its easier for *them* to make more money, cutting it with tires and all kinds of shite, and importing it into the country all compressed and stuff.No 1 Gooner wrote:
no because the quality would go down as it would become regulated..you would be buying 20 spliffs in ciggie boxes and because it takes away your motivation. if it was fully availible it would be too easy to try. i like it the way it is. you can always get some,as long as you've not got loads on you,you dont get nicked anymore and i would hate to see the government makin loads of money out of it! but then again my opinion shifts daily on this topic. my dad is in jail because of it and if were legal he wouldnt be but still...who knows? i dont..
If it was legalised, like in Holland, the quality would be perfect, how can you honestly say the quality would be reduced???
In Holland, less people per capita smoke it, or have even tried it, simply because its legal and not another thing you can do thats illegal. The majority of idiots who smoke pot in other countries only do it because its "cool" and they think their "fucking the system".
Legalise away
NO, its our dutch privilege
I don't think that's true at all. Look at Holland, it's legal here, and you get far better quality weed than you do it the UK. And unlike the UK, because you're buying it through a shop, you know you're getting 100% weed, and it's not mixed with other crap. It would never turn into what ciggy's are. In Holland you don't buy it from your local newsagents or whatever, but you go to a coffeeshop or the like to get it. And you get it in a small bag, not 20 pre rolled joints.No 1 Gooner wrote:
no because the quality would go down as it would become regulated..you would be buying 20 spliffs in ciggie boxes and because it takes away your motivation. if it was fully availible it would be too easy to try. i like it the way it is. you can always get some,as long as you've not got loads on you,you dont get nicked anymore and i would hate to see the government makin loads of money out of it! but then again my opinion shifts daily on this topic. my dad is in jail because of it and if were legal he wouldnt be but still...who knows? i dont..
i think if it was legalised,dealers street price's would either go down or they'd increase the quality to keep customers.speaking as a drinker & a stoner i'd preffer more people to be potheads than drunks,be less pissheads staggering past my house in the early hr's singing & shouting when i'm tryin to get some kip lol.
pot's safer than drink so cant see why it was'nt legalised here in u.k years ago.
& can't do fuckall in the u.k anyway without paying tax on something,so i'm surprised it's not been legalised already.
pot's safer than drink so cant see why it was'nt legalised here in u.k years ago.
& can't do fuckall in the u.k anyway without paying tax on something,so i'm surprised it's not been legalised already.
nowonder americans love to go to holland|DL|Krokkieboy wrote:
NO, its our dutch privilege
The amount of Americans that have asked me for directions to coffeeshops is rediculous. Apparently I look American or something (?) because they always head for me in the street. I'm an Amerimagnet.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
nowonder americans love to go to holland|DL|Krokkieboy wrote:
NO, its our dutch privilege
LoL, an entertainment outlet is by no means comparable to any of the mentions made above, excluding alcohol. Vehicular transportation is so essential to modern society, that talking about banning it (even analogously so) is just psychotic. Sugar and caffeine are also nowhere equal when it comes to side effects, as they do nothing. Tobacco is only similar in that it can degrade ones health, but then again, so can most forms of smoking. Alcohol is an extreme reference to make, as it has many more consequential inhibitions. Marijuana just promotes lethargy, degradation of cognitive intellect, and development of moodiness.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
No one left a (serious) "No" reason yet...
Anyway (edit: Yes... ), mainly because the whole production process can take place in privacy without affecting anyone but the producer and their electricity bill, and if everyone could grow it then there would be no link to organised crime, and none of the other bullshit reasons the governments give for it being illegal. And the 'health risk' reason is complete bollocks, or tobacco, alcohol, cars, sugar, caffeine, pizza and stressful jobs would all be outlawed as well.
That (quality) thing most likely has something to do with how Holland's cultivators are experienced.ghettoperson wrote:
I don't think that's true at all. Look at Holland, it's legal here, and you get far better quality weed than you do it the UK. And unlike the UK, because you're buying it through a shop, you know you're getting 100% weed, and it's not mixed with other crap. It would never turn into what ciggy's are. In Holland you don't buy it from your local newsagents or whatever, but you go to a coffeeshop or the like to get it. And you get it in a small bag, not 20 pre rolled joints.No 1 Gooner wrote:
no because the quality would go down as it would become regulated..you would be buying 20 spliffs in ciggie boxes and because it takes away your motivation. if it was fully availible it would be too easy to try. i like it the way it is. you can always get some,as long as you've not got loads on you,you dont get nicked anymore and i would hate to see the government makin loads of money out of it! but then again my opinion shifts daily on this topic. my dad is in jail because of it and if were legal he wouldnt be but still...who knows? i dont..
Last edited by Xietsu (2006-06-10 09:58:16)
Yes from me but only for people to grow it for their own use, not for mass production or selling/dealing for a profit!
To explain my reasoning, I was diagnosed as suffering from Multiple Sclerosis just over three years ago & recent scientific studies in the UK have shown that Cannabis use has a long term beneficial effect for people like myself both in reducing the severity of symptoms & in slowing the progression of the condition!!
I use it occasionally for that purpose (& occasionally just to get high! ) and I would love to be able to grow it for my own use without worrying about getting busted & loosing my job! No, I don't go to work stoned, same as I don't go to work pissed!!!
Legalising it would take the criminal element out of the picture & if you grew it yourself you would be sure of the purity of the product, after all, there have been instances when Opiates & Horse Tranquilizers have been mixed with Hash for sale on the black market!
I could say a lot more on the subject but there really isn't the time or space...... Legalise it????? HELL YES!!
To explain my reasoning, I was diagnosed as suffering from Multiple Sclerosis just over three years ago & recent scientific studies in the UK have shown that Cannabis use has a long term beneficial effect for people like myself both in reducing the severity of symptoms & in slowing the progression of the condition!!
I use it occasionally for that purpose (& occasionally just to get high! ) and I would love to be able to grow it for my own use without worrying about getting busted & loosing my job! No, I don't go to work stoned, same as I don't go to work pissed!!!
Legalising it would take the criminal element out of the picture & if you grew it yourself you would be sure of the purity of the product, after all, there have been instances when Opiates & Horse Tranquilizers have been mixed with Hash for sale on the black market!
I could say a lot more on the subject but there really isn't the time or space...... Legalise it????? HELL YES!!
What the hell are you on? Caffeine is incredibly dangerous, and sugar is highly addicitive and can cause diabetes.Xietsu wrote:
Sugar and caffeine are also nowhere equal when it comes to side effects, as they do nothing.
They aren't comparable--the point is that, side by side, the range of effects are completely different.
Yeah...sugar addictive? What a load of shit. If you're going to say that just because complex sugars are essential (seeing as they consist of ALL THAT IS FOOD [to ush hoomunz]), that's so entirely irrelevant.
Yeah...sugar addictive? What a load of shit. If you're going to say that just because complex sugars are essential (seeing as they consist of ALL THAT IS FOOD [to ush hoomunz]), that's so entirely irrelevant.
Last edited by Xietsu (2006-06-10 10:07:26)
Uh, no. Caffeine can have a huge effect on your brain. And diabetes is a very serious problem.
You must be a fool to charge "sugar" as the root of all diabetic concern. Regardless, completely out of place in a discussion on Marijuana. Caffeine as well, seeing how the general methods of intake are so distant from such claims of appropriateness.
*Could you try actually supporting something with a basis in the logical, instead of just trying to be combative?
*Could you try actually supporting something with a basis in the logical, instead of just trying to be combative?
Last edited by Xietsu (2006-06-10 10:10:25)
Yes, it should be legalized, but restictions should be set, max amounts to have, medical reasons etc.. if it was legal and you were able to buy it, it would lower the amount of drug fueled crime quite a bit i imagine, of course we would get the odd nut taking too much, but i highly doubt its ever going to happen....
I think Cannabis is legal on some Islands in the pacific, but it is only ancient tribes that do it and it is for ancient rituals. I did hear that human flesh helps epileptics. Anyways, I'll stick with beef.
Marijuana should definitely be legalized, the government Can not choose to legalize alcohol and tobacco, the two main "gateway" drugs and then leave marijuana illegal and use it with the "War on Drugs" to gain politically. Anyone who ever smoke pot probably tried alcohol or cigarettes first. Legalizing marijuana would have MANY positive effects.
-Stop giving underground crime a huge source of income.
-Give our states something new to make tax money off (millions of dollars more per state).
-Save $69 BILLION a year that is spent on arresting and locking up drug users.
-Without contact to drug dealers the link would be cut off to actually dangerous drugs (coke, heroin, etc)
-Remove legal holds on research into medicinal marijuana (which has miraculous effects for a wide range of diseases)
-Pot is legal in Denver, CO right now as long as you are 21 and don't drive... sounds like perfect sense to me
-Drug dealers don't check IDs, we can keep pot and many other drugs out of the hands of underage kids.
-Marijuana was recently found to NOT be linked to lung, head, or neck cancer: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12943013/
-OH YAH no one has EVER EVER died of an overdose of marijuana, it is just not toxic enough it could not kill you. You need to smoke something like a 1/3rd of your body weight before it becomes dangers, which would be many many pounds, and obliviously impossible.
-Deaths per year in America for Tobacco and Alcohol? Tobacco:480,000 Alcohol:80,000 (Combined they equal 676 TIMES MORE DEATHS PER YEAR than the U.S. loss of life in Iraq per year)
Hey guys, here in America we live in a democracy, you should vote on what you think is better for the people as a whole, not what is better for you, or a bunch of catholic PTA moms will run America to the ground.
Some people want to go home and drink a beer after work, some people would rather smoke, no hangover and price-to-effect ratio is better in pot, why should this be a crime? There aren't going to be high people driving school buses, just like there aren't drunk people driving buses, they are both drugs you only take them in certain situations...
Its legal in many other countries, there isn't any chaos in the streets, pot has MUUCCCCHHH less of a debilitating effect than alcohol, a reallly drunk person CAN NOT control them selves, like walking, speaking, etc. A really high person cant help themselves from not moving off their couch and continuing plowing through that bag of doritos.
Quality would NOT go down, I am sure we would see plenty of headies in the stores, COMPETITION is the name of the game people, if customers want high THC pot, and are willing to pay for it, they are going to get it.
Smoking Pot is a victimless crime, in a rape case the illegality and victim are obvious. But when it comes to smoking pot the victim and the criminal are the same person, how can this be. Following the same rationale, it looks like the government should make McDonalds illegal. According to scientific facts, marijuana is "less bad" for you then either tobacco or alcohol so why are they legal but not pot? Who else is being harmed by a typical smoker hitting a bowl relaxing? WHY IS IT ILLEGAL is my fucking question. Cocaine, heroin these drugs are harmful and kill many people each year, obviously they should be illegal.
If you make a crime out of something that isn't criminal you still make real criminals, and pot heads in our prisons is costing us Millions of dollars every year. Considering bush is spending $100,000 a minute on "Operation Eagle has Landed Freedom Rings Throughout The Mother Land" i think we could use any excess money we can get our hands on.
Leave other people alone and let them smoke if they want to, its none of your or the governments business.
-Stop giving underground crime a huge source of income.
-Give our states something new to make tax money off (millions of dollars more per state).
-Save $69 BILLION a year that is spent on arresting and locking up drug users.
-Without contact to drug dealers the link would be cut off to actually dangerous drugs (coke, heroin, etc)
-Remove legal holds on research into medicinal marijuana (which has miraculous effects for a wide range of diseases)
-Pot is legal in Denver, CO right now as long as you are 21 and don't drive... sounds like perfect sense to me
-Drug dealers don't check IDs, we can keep pot and many other drugs out of the hands of underage kids.
-Marijuana was recently found to NOT be linked to lung, head, or neck cancer: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12943013/
-OH YAH no one has EVER EVER died of an overdose of marijuana, it is just not toxic enough it could not kill you. You need to smoke something like a 1/3rd of your body weight before it becomes dangers, which would be many many pounds, and obliviously impossible.
-Deaths per year in America for Tobacco and Alcohol? Tobacco:480,000 Alcohol:80,000 (Combined they equal 676 TIMES MORE DEATHS PER YEAR than the U.S. loss of life in Iraq per year)
Hey guys, here in America we live in a democracy, you should vote on what you think is better for the people as a whole, not what is better for you, or a bunch of catholic PTA moms will run America to the ground.
Some people want to go home and drink a beer after work, some people would rather smoke, no hangover and price-to-effect ratio is better in pot, why should this be a crime? There aren't going to be high people driving school buses, just like there aren't drunk people driving buses, they are both drugs you only take them in certain situations...
Its legal in many other countries, there isn't any chaos in the streets, pot has MUUCCCCHHH less of a debilitating effect than alcohol, a reallly drunk person CAN NOT control them selves, like walking, speaking, etc. A really high person cant help themselves from not moving off their couch and continuing plowing through that bag of doritos.
Quality would NOT go down, I am sure we would see plenty of headies in the stores, COMPETITION is the name of the game people, if customers want high THC pot, and are willing to pay for it, they are going to get it.
Smoking Pot is a victimless crime, in a rape case the illegality and victim are obvious. But when it comes to smoking pot the victim and the criminal are the same person, how can this be. Following the same rationale, it looks like the government should make McDonalds illegal. According to scientific facts, marijuana is "less bad" for you then either tobacco or alcohol so why are they legal but not pot? Who else is being harmed by a typical smoker hitting a bowl relaxing? WHY IS IT ILLEGAL is my fucking question. Cocaine, heroin these drugs are harmful and kill many people each year, obviously they should be illegal.
If you make a crime out of something that isn't criminal you still make real criminals, and pot heads in our prisons is costing us Millions of dollars every year. Considering bush is spending $100,000 a minute on "Operation Eagle has Landed Freedom Rings Throughout The Mother Land" i think we could use any excess money we can get our hands on.
Leave other people alone and let them smoke if they want to, its none of your or the governments business.
Last edited by LawJik (2006-06-12 10:43:25)
here in holland it is legal so wy not in other countrys
yep its true, i know for a fact
If only they wouldn't use my tax money to take care of alcoholics and drug addicts, as well as lung cancer patients.LawJik wrote:
Leave other people alone and let them smoke if they want to, its none of your or the governments business.
Last edited by PekkaA (2006-06-10 11:22:06)
Economics. Period. Phase out tobacco. Health BENEFITS. And no it doesn't kill brain cells. The problem is educating people about it because its something that is hard to talk about due to the 1980's campaign by the government. PM me if you want some good info. Otherwise I feel like Im wasting my breath.RicardoBlanco wrote:
And why...
FREE THE WEED!
Smoking marijuana, as I said, has 3 main side effects. If you want more information regarding the "degradation of cognitive intellect", I could present such for you.
No. Tobacco should be illegalized too.
Ethanol use should be severely restricted.
Ethanol use should be severely restricted.
Legalize it and tax the hell out of it. Hell, we might even be able to pay off our national deficit in a few years with that revenue stream alone...