PekkaA
Member
+36|6894|Finland
No doubt he was a monster and deserved to die. But according to many resources, he was too stupid to plan or execute attacks Darth_Fleder is talking about. Like I said before, more like a perfect excuse to us army. Your reactions once again proof my point. More intelligent and therefore more dangerous person wouldn't necessarily raise such an anger as raving lunie.
whittsend
PV1 Joe Snuffy
+78|6987|MA, USA
Most of what I have read puts what Darth_Fleder right on the money.  It is my understanding that he was removed as the top man of  'Al Qaeda in Iraq' (for what that is worth) NOT because he was 'too stupid,' but because he was too brutal.  His attacks on civilians were alientating arabs (especially in Iraq and Jordan, where his most recent outrages have been purpetrated), and that didn't fit in with what Al Qaeda was trying to accomplish.

Edit: http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news … id=2369959

What resourses have claimed he was too stupid to plan or execute attacks?

Last edited by whittsend (2006-06-09 13:44:09)

sundiver
Member
+3|6796|Somerset, England

sundiver wrote:

We will never beat terrorism with the use of force.

whittsend wrote:

Do you suggest flowers?
Well flowers are always a good start but diplomacy will probably work better.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7035|Orlando, FL - Age 43

sundiver wrote:

sundiver wrote:

We will never beat terrorism with the use of force.

whittsend wrote:

Do you suggest flowers?
Well flowers are always a good start but diplomacy will probably work better.
Neville Chamberlain couldn't have said it any better.
PekkaA
Member
+36|6894|Finland
Whittsend, can you read? Is there something wrong with your eyes or brain? Did I claim that he was removed because he was too stupid? I definetly agree that he was "removed" (what a ridiculous synonyme for killing) because of his brutality, NOT because he was a Al Qaida's mastermind.

Do you actually read other peoples posts or are you just too busy to wommit your arguments ? ? ?
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6878

I stopped reading after about page 5 cause it was all the same crap, so excuse me if this had already been said. I can't quite believe how completely overjoyed most people are about the death of this guy. He's just another terrorist, with hundreds of other ready to take his place. He's dead, yes that's good, but it's not that exciting. Who cares? Most of you sound like WWII just ended. Woohoo! Lets all go party in the streets! Yay!
PekkaA
Member
+36|6894|Finland
I like you mr (?) ghettoperson.
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|6914|Hell's prison

Bubbalo wrote:

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Dont need to, the terrorist group he was involved with is no different than the Al-Queda of yesterday, kill the infidels who do no worship Allah...
Many terrorists wish to kick "infidels" out of their sacred lands, no more.  Kind of like wanting to, say, kick the British out of your colony, no?
Sacred lands my ass, they dont care if we are on their land or not.  I have spoken to some Iraqi nationals concerning this matter, and according to them, (One of this group of nationals was later arrested having found plans for an attack on where i was deployed) the infidels are attributed to anyone that holds different beliefs than those of the extremists, ( I say extremists because this is what they believe, not to be confused with the people that wish for a new way of life the U.S. and its allies are trying to accomplish).  The extremists believe the infidels are you, me, anyone who do not pray to Allah.  Which if you read and understand their Quaran is terribly wrong.  According to one of the Nationals, Allah teaches tolerance for other cultures, yet how the extremists interperet it is that tolerance for other religions is against his teachings.  So there is a gray area according to their good book.  I got no problem with the people that want what everyone wants for them.  I dont necessarily want democracy for them, I want those people to use whatever works and stops assholes from bombing them, killing children and women.  Let them be able to go to the market without worrying about who's crazy ass is going to run in there and set off a bomb.  Take their kids to a fun place and not worry who's going to kill them for having a good time, or just because they have an opinion.  So instead of the accusation by PekaA earlier about me being militaristic, I think I see myself as more of an idealist.  I do my job because I want to help them thrive, not punish them for someone elses wrongs.  I build pallets for the military, I am an Aerial Transporter (2T2 for those who serve as well), I have built thousands of pallets in my 5 years in, Pallets for needy kids, filled with toys, clothes, food, bottled water, medical supplies etc.  I have also built for our own troops who are in hot zones needing MRE's (Meals Ready to Eat), Ammo, etc.  Escorted (Until recently when the AF pulled this program) convoys to help out locals.  I know my job dosent require me to kill a target, go to the front lines and fight, thats not what God put me in this career to do.  I dont want to see people killed for shits and giggles, I want to see bad people killed so the good people can take their lives to great heights.  So this is a response to a few posts above.  I hope this clears the air further on what I want to see out of this War on Terror.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6919|Tampa Bay Florida

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

Dont need to, the terrorist group he was involved with is no different than the Al-Queda of yesterday, kill the infidels who do no worship Allah...
Many terrorists wish to kick "infidels" out of their sacred lands, no more.  Kind of like wanting to, say, kick the British out of your colony, no?
Sacred lands my ass, they dont care if we are on their land or not.  I have spoken to some Iraqi nationals concerning this matter, and according to them, (One of this group of nationals was later arrested having found plans for an attack on where i was deployed) the infidels are attributed to anyone that holds different beliefs than those of the extremists, ( I say extremists because this is what they believe, not to be confused with the people that wish for a new way of life the U.S. and its allies are trying to accomplish).  The extremists believe the infidels are you, me, anyone who do not pray to Allah.  Which if you read and understand their Quaran is terribly wrong.  According to one of the Nationals, Allah teaches tolerance for other cultures, yet how the extremists interperet it is that tolerance for other religions is against his teachings.  So there is a gray area according to their good book.  I got no problem with the people that want what everyone wants for them.  I dont necessarily want democracy for them, I want those people to use whatever works and stops assholes from bombing them, killing children and women.  Let them be able to go to the market without worrying about who's crazy ass is going to run in there and set off a bomb.  Take their kids to a fun place and not worry who's going to kill them for having a good time, or just because they have an opinion.  So instead of the accusation by PekaA earlier about me being militaristic, I think I see myself as more of an idealist.  I do my job because I want to help them thrive, not punish them for someone elses wrongs.  I build pallets for the military, I am an Aerial Transporter (2T2 for those who serve as well), I have built thousands of pallets in my 5 years in, Pallets for needy kids, filled with toys, clothes, food, bottled water, medical supplies etc.  I have also built for our own troops who are in hot zones needing MRE's (Meals Ready to Eat), Ammo, etc.  Escorted (Until recently when the AF pulled this program) convoys to help out locals.  I know my job dosent require me to kill a target, go to the front lines and fight, thats not what God put me in this career to do.  I dont want to see people killed for shits and giggles, I want to see bad people killed so the good people can take their lives to great heights.  So this is a response to a few posts above.  I hope this clears the air further on what I want to see out of this War on Terror.
Very good explanation...
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6919|Tampa Bay Florida

JahManRed wrote:

With all our highly trained crack troops and special forces surly a ground assault would have been better and we could have got him alive and put his ass on trial. He got what he wanted anyway..martyrdom. I don't like the fact that the general strategy is to bomb everything to rubble from the air, killing women and children.
I understand your point, but on the radio I heard them interview a former Spec-Ops officer, and he said that Zarqawi was almost always surrounded by armed guards with suicide belts.  So there was really no way of taking him alive or just killing him... either you kill him and kill anything within the general area, or you don't.
JahManRed
wank
+646|6857|IRELAND

Spearhead wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

With all our highly trained crack troops and special forces surly a ground assault would have been better and we could have got him alive and put his ass on trial. He got what he wanted anyway..martyrdom. I don't like the fact that the general strategy is to bomb everything to rubble from the air, killing women and children.
I understand your point, but on the radio I heard them interview a former Spec-Ops officer, and he said that Zarqawi was almost always surrounded by armed guards with suicide belts.  So there was really no way of taking him alive or just killing him... either you kill him and kill anything within the general area, or you don't.
I take your point. Mass suicide.
But, Couldnt they have just dressed a plastic dummy up as a spec ops trooper and thrown him into the building and let off a few shots from afar. Then............... booooooooooooom. j/k
yerded
Bertinator
+255|6866|Westminster, California
I was sorry they didn't capture him alive too. It foiled my dream of seeing him feed one inch at a time into a wood chipper.
     May he be sodomized by swines for all eternity.

     Nobodies mention the 17 raids carried out at the same time the body was being I.D'd that netted most of his top people and much explosives and information.
     This was a huge blow to their cause.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7001|PNW

TheDarkRaven wrote:

It is silly to call it a hppy day. He is still a person and we are celebrating a destruction of a branch of humanity's progression.
I'm not going to read through this entire thread to find if this's been addressed but...branch of progression?!
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|6914|Hell's prison
Ok I see how it is, one of you cowards -1 me and tell me that you hope some boys ram a 747 up my ass for my post above?  Didnt even have the gull to leave your name.  Besides I didnt understand the grammar because it was too broken up but here we go.

I got this...

"I hope one of boys rams a fucking 747 into your home you cunt ass motherfucking obese fuckhead"

For this...

"Guess you should read a previous post I did just above, and no sonny I aint fuckin stupid, youre a screw ball for questioning my patriotism, and yet you still havent answered my question.  Of course I believe that a majority of things can be solved by military action, what I do not believe, which you seem to think i do, is that all military action is violent.  Guess you never heard of the peacekeeping missions that the U.S. military does.  hmmm, care to call a stalemate?

but I guess its easy to critisize another country when you dont have enough morals or beliefs to do anything but bitch about some guy being dead that threatened the way of life of others.  So am I really the worst kind of patriot?  One thats ready to spill all his blood so the land he loves can thrive?  Sounds to me like youre a bit jealous. And since I see things in all black and white here.  Yet youre the one that seems to believe all military actions are violent.  The last time I went to Iraq, I remember distinctly taking a convoy to a hospital in desperate need of supplies because children were dying, women and men alike were having complications, medical supplies were desperately needed.  The convoy made it safe, and the supplies delivered.  I got more thank you's from the iraqi people that day and I felt great.  So Mr. Black and white, is all military action violent?"


I just dont get it, someone actually indirectly threatened me?  For speaking my mind?  And then too cowardly to give a name?  This post above was to PekaA, because in his mind I believed all military action violent.  Which above i clearly state it is not.  So anyone want to comment or fess up?  Anyway just to clarify, I am not obese, and its pretty pathetic you gotta sink so low to call someone youve never seen before fat.  Number 2, I am part of the military of (In my opinion, skewer me if you like) The greatest Nation on the planet, U.S.A., but lets make this clear, I respect and embrace every country I go to as I would America, and treat it as such as well.  And whos boys?  You mean the terrorist organization we are fighting?  Dude all i gotta say, is right now my Karma is pretty positive.  I know my posts havent scored me alot of friends, but I know that I respect each and every one of you despite what you believe from my words, you are all human and i respect you as such!  But if someone is going to attack me on a level this low, then its no different from high school.  Grow up douchebag.

Last edited by d3v1ldr1v3r13 (2006-06-09 17:38:09)

yerded
Bertinator
+255|6866|Westminster, California

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

It is silly to call it a hppy day. He is still a person and we are celebrating a destruction of a branch of humanity's progression.
I'm not going to read through this entire thread to find if this's been addressed but...branch of progression?!
About what the raven said;
may be right when viewed a thousand years from now. Wars based on ideology are a progression of a sort.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6884|United States of America
I'm happy he is dead, thus Happy days.  Him being killed was a progression of humanity, him killing people to create fear is hardly humanity progressing.

Think people, Think!

Damit yerded, get rid of that sig.  Its freakin me out.

Last edited by Major_Spittle (2006-06-09 17:40:15)

yerded
Bertinator
+255|6866|Westminster, California
As PER YOUR REQUEST SPITTLE; MY NEW SIG.

Last edited by yerded (2006-06-09 18:09:11)

Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6884|United States of America
Thanks, can you take out the 5th pic to the right though, it gives me the creeps.
MorbidFetus
Member
+76|6780|Ohio
Good riddance.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790
Horseman's gone again!  I'm gonna do my happy dance now!
PekkaA
Member
+36|6894|Finland
d3v1ldr1v3r13, first of all, I like your last two posts much more than previous ones. Those contain many aspects that I agree. But for sure I didn't mean UN peacekeeping missions or humanitary help when I used term "military action". Sorry for my english, maybe I should have used "act of war". At least Finnish peacekeepers can't use their weapons against other people. (not using term human being, because it seems offend many, and makes me look like a hippie to you) By all means, be a patriot. Jealous? Hmm, I have been in army and been trained as infantry fighting in city. (rappels, sewers etc. don't know english term for my rank). And of course I'm ready to defend this small piece of earth if necessary. Keyword is defend.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790

Darth_Fleder wrote:

Neville Chamberlain couldn't have said it any better.
He was dealing with a pitched battle, terrorists don't fight those.

d3v1ldr1v3r13:  You are wrong.  Osama Bin Laden was an ally of the US originally, but started drifting away.  He became an outright enemy when the US landed troops in Saudi Arabia to attack Iraq, as they were on holy land, and he viewed that many Christian soldiers on that land as an affront to Muslims every can't see how he might, you're clearly dumber than you sound (which would be pretty dumb).

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-06-10 03:45:08)

GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6873

sundiver wrote:

sundiver wrote:

We will never beat terrorism with the use of force.

whittsend wrote:

Do you suggest flowers?
Well flowers are always a good start but diplomacy will probably work better.
diplomacy with terrorism is non existent
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6778|Southeastern USA
That makes sense Gunslinger, SHUT UP!
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6790

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

diplomacy with terrorism is non existent
Diplomacy, yes.  But you can provide assistance to the communities where they draw the terrorists from.  Once someone commits themself body and soul to an ideal, that's pretty much it.  You have to get them before they do.  My advice?  Start with the Palestinian refugee camps.

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