cpt.fass1
The Cap'n Can Make it Hap'n
+329|6924|NJ

{BMF}*Frank_The_Tank wrote:

I think its kind of funny how people are getting in such an uprise about how the government is "breaking the law" spying on Americans and listening to phone calls.  Big freakin deal.  This isnt the first time the government has been "above the law" to do stuff.  The government IS the law, they can do as they please.  I hate to say it, but everyone knows it, and its nothing new.  But its all Bushs fault <sarcasm>.  So was hurricane Katrina and the Tsunami a year ago .  I agree with downy, if youve got nothing to hide, why make such a big deal about it.  Just because the government hears about how your cheating on your wife doesnt mean they are going to run and tattle on you.  They want stuff that is useful, that the U.S. can benefit from such as finding terrorists like Canada just did.  Grow up, and grow some balls.  Whoever said it, your 100% right that 3 guys with knives shouldnt have been able to take over a full airliner.
Well the whole problem with the legal aspects of this, creates the waterfall effect on this sort of thing. Yes the government makes the laws and we as the people should have more power in that process, we don't even hear about majority of the laws that are made and they are not consice. There are laws out there that have other things hidden in them, like a law for children lunches having a pay raise for senators in it. Now if one of the senators says they don't like the law cause of the adendum they become a hater of children.

As the waterfall effect goes, it starts as a way of protecting us. Then John Smiths wife says hey I want to protect my lively hood and see if my husband is cheating on me, I want a law passed that says I can legally hire professionals to tap my house. Then that changes to I want to see if my neighbor is letting his dog poop on my yard, now everyone has the legal right to listen to anyone else.

That's sceniro one, sceniro two is. Hey american people we haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11 I think this might work  for drugs as well. Give us free reign with wire tapping and we'll clean the streets. American people think that's a good idea and lets them go ahead with it, next you know everyone is wiretaped and getting speeding and parking tickets in the mail because this plan has to be paid for.

Now a better option to all of this is hey american people stay on your toes something is happening we're at war right now and keep an eye out for weird activites and if you notice any let the authoritise know. Bottom line is no one else is going to protect us but us. I'm so against wire tapping it's not even funny, it doesn't even serve a purpose do you think they're using house and cell phones for most their information anyway?

Also if I mentain A universal health care, I get who's going to pay for it. But illegal wire tapping everyone is for I'm more concerned about getting sick then getting killed by a bomb, and I live in New Jersey and right across the river from NYC right now.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,978|6860|949

kr@cker wrote:

As for being a commie, you'll be hard pressed to find a prouder American.
Because surely you can't be a communist and be proud to be an American, right?
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6778|Southeastern USA
nope!
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6796|NYC / Hamburg

kr@cker wrote:

This is intended mostly toward American readers, though there are plenty of people with viable input elsewhere I'm sure.

http://www2.jsonline.com/news/attack/ap … rmat=print

This is a link to one of many stories concerning the Canadian bust up of a ring of would be murderers.
One thing that is important to note is that Canadian officials were able to act on this due to the fact that they were monitoring an internet chat room. Now, with this in mind, I want you to remember the flack that "W" caught for allegedley spying on Americans, no matter how many times the process was explained and it was made clear that no one's sitting around listening to you get dumped by your girlfriend. W's method was only to flag calls made by known terrorist sympathizers to destinations outside US borders, usually to nations known to be safe havens for terrorist operations. As well as monitoring web traffic for certain situations such as this.

My question is, are any of W's plan's critics going to have the balls to go up to Canada and accuse them of abusing human rights? Tell them it's not ethical to monitor a public chat room?


I for one don't care if they listen to my mom bitch me out for not coming to visit enough, though it would be nice if they pitched in on the bill for some of those 900 numbers.

WAY TO GO YOU MOTHERCANUCKERS, LOSE A MOUNTIE BOOT IN THAT ASS CANADA!!
and where's the news????
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
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DAMN! Wrong link, I sorted through dozens that day, I'll fix it, good shot max, glad someone finally said something.

edit: for idiocy
here's a new link, you have dozens to choose from though

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00171.html




please note:They are Canadians. They came to Canada at an early age or were born here," Toronto's mayor, David Miller, said Saturday. He questioned "how people would get sucked into this act."

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in a statement that "these individuals were allegedly intent on committing acts of terrorism against their own country, and their own people. Canada is not immune to the threat of terrorism."

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-06-06 21:00:11)

BVC
Member
+325|6924
Just a small point, chat rooms are a public forum, wheras GW was listening to private conversations.

That said, good on Canada for busting them!
taxi2you
Member
+22|6873|Missouri

Miller wrote:

Well, I'm 14, I own a 1911 Springfield armory Colt .45.
Is it a Springfield 1911 or a Colt .45?  Two different weapons there kiddo.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|6965|Salt Lake City

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

how the hell can you own a handgun and not be 21 in any state?
Here in Utah you need only be 18 years of age for a hand gun.  Hunting rifles can be owned by those as young as 16, and I believe shotguns are allowed to those as young as 14.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6872

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

how the hell can you own a handgun and not be 21 in any state?
Here in Utah you need only be 18 years of age for a hand gun.  Hunting rifles can be owned by those as young as 16, and I believe shotguns are allowed to those as young as 14.
thats one way how
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6965|Salt Lake City

Whether I'm doing anything wrong is not the point.  The point is that what makes this country great are the freedoms that we have.  The problem with such spying is that unless kept in check by rule of law, they tend to find other uses to which it can be applied, and the government (demo or repub) are not likely to give it up.

Also, to say that this is all being done on the up and up isn't quite true.  This was widely publicized, but I also was directly affected by it because QWest is my local phone carrier here.

Qwest declined to turn over phone records to the NSA when it discovered U.S. agents would not seek court approval, said Herbert J. Stern, lawyer for Joseph Nacchio, a former chief executive officer at Qwest.

The U.S. government approached Nacchio and asked for customer phone records in late 2001, Stern said in a statement released Friday. The phone records requests continued until Nacchio left Qwest in June 2002, Stern said. A federal grand jury in Colorado indicted Nacchio in December on 42 counts of insider trading.

Qwest asked "whether a warrant or other legal process had been secured in support of that request," Stern said. "When he learned that no such authority had been granted and that there was a disinclination on the part of the authorities to use any legal process ... Mr. Nacchio concluded that these requests violated [federal] privacy requirements. Accordingly, Mr. Nacchio issued instructions to refuse to comply with these requests.
As long as we are willing to allow our liberties to be compromised in the name of fighting terrorism, the terrorists have already won.

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