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2006-06-01 10:11:40
unnamednewbie13
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Vilham wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

No 1 Gooner wrote:

this is why this knife amnesty is big news now,cos of things like this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a … ge_id=1770
this happend five minutes from my house,the poor guy in the green gets stabbed in the heart and dies  and the guy in the white gets a broken jaw and seven stab wounds but lives. completely random as all three attackers have now admitted. they will be sentenced on the 23rd june. hope they get life.
Wasn't an omniscient, omnipotent bobby walking around to prevent just a scene like that? Those two were relying on police enforcement to save their lives...

Maybe if a stab wound amnesty were put up, that kind of shit would heal itself right away, lest the full force of British law come down on their puckering, oozing surfaces.
yeah and if they had guns even more people could have died that would be realy good.
The guy in the green is just as dead. But maybe if one of those two were armed, they could have acted to defend themselves before killed/critically injured. But, I suppose you're glad one of them died for your cause. Maybe if the other had died as well, it would have sent a more powerful message, huh.

I tried to bring about my end to participation in this thread with this post,  but these things irk me to no end.

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2006-06-01 10:20:44
therealnicoli
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I'm from the UK and I can see the intention behind it but i dont see how they intend to enforce it, I mean my younger brother has a set of samurai display swords and I have various knives, i.e, penknives, letherman style knives (penknife sort of contraption including other tools) too. Also I nice lock knife I had for my hiking in Oz and NZ. How are they supposed to determine who has the intention to go out and stab sumone and who isnt. I think its just a publicity stunt to make it look as tho the authorities are doing something about the problem! As for handing kitchen knives thats just retarded!
2006-06-01 10:24:37
Vilham
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"This knife amnesty is a joke however, criminals wont had their knifes in and only the innocent will. However if the police didnt do anything, us, the public would be on their back complaining and talking about shit that we dont understand (people like that real piss me off), the police are doing all they can after these recent knifings outside schools and i commend their work." this was something i posted on page 5, that should have ended the debate about this...
2006-06-01 10:40:24
unnamednewbie13
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Vilham wrote:

"This knife amnesty is a joke however, criminals wont had their knifes in and only the innocent will. However if the police didnt do anything, us, the public would be on their back complaining and talking about shit that we dont understand (people like that real piss me off), the police are doing all they can after these recent knifings outside schools and i commend their work." this was something i posted on page 5, that should have ended the debate about this...
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Vilham wrote:

haha thats classic, you americans take the piss, your like 'i own a gun for my protection' You do realise that you are more likly to get killed by your own gun than actually stop a criminal. Here in england we dont need to protect ourselves, our police actually do their jobs and protect us. America is a joke on democracy.

This knife amnesty is a joke however, criminals wont had their knifes in and only the innocent will. However if the police didnt do anything, us, the public would be on their back complaining and talking about shit that we dont understand (people like that real piss me off), the police are doing all they can after these recent knifings outside schools and i commend their work.

Edit. Their is literally no need to carry a knife anyway. The best alternative is to learn a form of self defence if you realy need to. Btw just so you know i live near swindon, chav capital of wiltshire and im not afraid on the streets.
Your jab against knife amnesty was so buried in anti-arms sentiment that I barely caught that. Do you really think everyone who wants to defend themselves have the reflexes or wherewithal disarm a knife or a gun with their bare hands? Impressive and noble as that may seem to some, it is hardly practical.


I don't know about you, but I am not about to disregard gun safety and shoot myself in the face or the foot. I:

1. Never point the firearm at myself.
2. Physically make sure a round is never chambered when storing or getting ready to transport a firearm, even when I know one isn't. Safety on, if applicable.
3. Never pass it around to beered up buddies who want to look like Dirty Harry.
4. Keep it pointed down or away from me, even when not on my person.
5. Clean the damn thing before I take it out to fire.
6. Unload it before screwing around with it. No bullets, no bang.

A gun isn't going to float around the house looking for someone to shoot.

As for knives, the only time I take one out is to cut something or to sharpen it. I haven't once had to use a weapon on anyone, and it would be just fine with me if things remained that way. However, they're there if needed. If I'm lucky and I can draw a weapon in time, I won't be like that poor, hapless greenshirt.

I'm not going to force arms ownership down someone's throat if they're deathly afraid of them, even if I do tsk in disdain. All I ask is that nobody infringe on my own right to defend myself with whatever means at my disposal. I'm sure there are plenty of ticked-off Britons with similar sentiments.

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2006-06-01 10:57:42
Vilham
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

"This knife amnesty is a joke however, criminals wont had their knifes in and only the innocent will. However if the police didnt do anything, us, the public would be on their back complaining and talking about shit that we dont understand (people like that real piss me off), the police are doing all they can after these recent knifings outside schools and i commend their work." this was something i posted on page 5, that should have ended the debate about this...
The rest of it went:

Vilham wrote:

haha thats classic, you americans take the piss, your like 'i own a gun for my protection' You do realise that you are more likly to get killed by your own gun than actually stop a criminal. Here in england we dont need to protect ourselves, our police actually do their jobs and protect us. America is a joke on democracy.

This knife amnesty is a joke however, criminals wont had their knifes in and only the innocent will. However if the police didnt do anything, us, the public would be on their back complaining and talking about shit that we dont understand (people like that real piss me off), the police are doing all they can after these recent knifings outside schools and i commend their work.

Edit. Their is literally no need to carry a knife anyway. The best alternative is to learn a form of self defence if you realy need to. Btw just so you know i live near swindon, chav capital of wiltshire and im not afraid on the streets.
Your jab against knife amnesty was so buried in anti-arms sentiment that I barely caught that. Do you really think everyone who wants to defend themselves have the reflexes or wherewithal disarm a knife or a gun with their bare hands? Impressive and noble as that may seem to some, it is hardly practical.


I don't know about you, but I am not about to disregard gun safety and shoot myself in the face or the foot. I:

1. Never point the firearm at myself.
2. Physically make sure a round is never chambered when storing or getting ready to transport a firearm, even when I know one isn't. Safety on, if applicable.
3. Never pass it around to beered up buddies who want to look like Dirty Harry.
4. Keep it pointed down or away from me, even when not on my person.
5. Clean the damn thing before I take it out to fire.
6. Unload it before screwing around with it. No bullets, no bang.

A gun isn't going to float around the house looking for someone to shoot.

As for knives, the only time I take one out is to cut something or to sharpen it. I haven't once had to use a weapon on anyone, and it would be just fine with me if things remained that way. However, they're there if needed. If I'm lucky and I can draw a weapon in time, I won't be like that poor, hapless greenshirt.

I'm not going to force arms ownership down someone's throat if they're deathly afraid of them, even if I do tsk in disdain. All I ask is that nobody infringe on my own right to defend myself with whatever means at my disposal. I'm sure there are plenty of ticked-off Britons with similar sentiments.
thats fair enough, but dont try and apply your culture to england. no matter what you may think WE ARE NOTHING ALIKE.
2006-06-01 11:01:22
unnamednewbie13
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Vilham wrote:

thats fair enough, but dont try and apply your culture to england. no matter what you may think WE ARE NOTHING ALIKE.
I know that much, but I've also talked with people in "your" culture who dislike all your whimsical rules and regulations that hamper their ability to defend themselves. As you said, knife amnesty is a joke.
2006-06-01 11:42:33
No 1 Gooner
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the amnesty is just a cry for help from a government thats lost control of violent crime and knife crime and gun crime. i agree with most of if not all of what you said unnamednewbie13 and you too Vilham,basically this country is bang in trouble in general! all you hear on the london news is...man shot dead...or fatal knife attack.shame to sound so doom and gloom but thats the way it is. but as for people saying this should have ended the debate,the whole point of the forum is that people at various stages in the thread can add their own opinions to the argument at any stage...who gets end the debate in a thread?...the mods and thats the way it should be!
2006-06-01 11:59:48
unnamednewbie13
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atlvolunteer wrote:

mikkel wrote:

But hey, it's nice to see that your rights to carry leathal weapons only come at the cost of a teenage girl's life.
Oh, so he should have just allowed them to beat the shit out of him (or worse) and take his money?  SHe wasn't some innocent bystander.  She was one of the perpetrators and got what she deserved.
Yes, exactly. The attackers were more heavily armed. The Marine-turned-waiter even tried to run first. Maybe he should have allowed himself to get shot in the face instead. I don't care how young someone is; they shouldn't be taking part in armed robbery.

Expression of sympathy for the teenage girl could be construed as sexist...
2006-06-01 14:57:50
RoofusMcDoofus
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Vilham wrote:

K EVERYONE READ THIS CAREFULLY...

THEY ARENT TAKING KNIFES AWAY!!!!! ITS VOLUNTARY THAT IS WHAT AN AMNESTY IS FOR!!!

it means you can hand in weapons in public areas without any repercussions.
Riddle me this, my myopic friend: doesn't an amnesty infer that the subject of said amnesty is against the rules, or soon will be?

If the amnesty was as such: "Okay, hand over any knives that you used to kill someone, and we'll sit over here and turn our backs, and then you're free and clear to go home instead of prison", then that amnesty would obviously be geared to finding weapons possibly involved in murders.  It's more or less about finding the object that was involved in an act, and forgiving the act.  This kind of amnesty is like the one where, as a child, you stole the chalkboard eraser from the teacher, and she says that she's coming back in ten minutes and tells all the kids to put their heads down on the desk and not point out the guilty party.  You know that when she comes back and if the eraser isn't there there's going to be a pop quiz.

An amnesty saying "Okay, we want you to hand over your knives.  We don't care if they're knives you use to carve a roast every Christmas, or if they're knives you used to kill that hooker last spring.  We just don't want knives or other pointy objects because we just don't like them anymore"... Well, that implies that they don't want people to have that stuff, whatever its purpose is, or what it has done.  In this case, they're FORGIVING YOU for carrying the knife in the first place.  Wouldn't that indicate to you, as a logical being, that the act of carrying a knife is either against the rules now (which it clearly isn't) or that the rules could change soon?  Such an act would seem to indicate to me that the act of carrying a knife could soon be against the law, and that people who do it could be subject to arrest and possibly imprisonment.  But then I'm pretty good at drawing events out to their logical conclusions.  This could eventually make it illegal for chefs to carry knives with them, and I'll say that it's something they do quite often-they love their knives.

Here in the US, lots of rich white men are proposing an amnesty for illegal immigrants that would forgive them for being here against the law, and give many the opportunity to become honest to goodness citizens.  After the amnesty is over, being here illegally would become a felony and anyone caught here could be subject to imprisonment or deportation.  This is an example of the second kind of amnesty I have illustrated above--and it's also the most likely explanation for what your government is pulling off.
2006-06-01 15:23:37
Vilham
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This amnesty as i said before allows you to hand in a knife without investigation into the uses of that knife and the fact that you carried it to the police station, this is in the hope that there will be less knifes out there in the hands of dangerous people.  Btw carrying the knife IS illegal, you cant carry a blade over 3cm on the streets.

Seriously stop critising the police for trying to do something rather than just sitting back and continuing with what they are doing which doesnt decrease crime but just maintains its levels and stops it overflowing. It may or may not work but they are trying which is better than nothing.
2006-06-01 15:34:30
InnerMonkey
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What comes after knives?  How long until you can't carry a screwdriver, hammer, or some such unless you have a gov't approved locking toolbox?  Maybe bits of string are next.  You can kill someone with any of these, and to be honest, I would take a nice clean knife cut over getting beaten with a hammer or stabbed with a screwdriver any day.

If some 'tard on the street wants to mug you, there is an amazing array of makeshift weapons they can use.  I've seen someone after they were beaten with a length of garden hose, it wasn't pretty.  Hell, from childhood memories...I can personally verify that it hurts like hell and you will swear it was a piece of pipe.

A knife is a tool, simple as that.  Well, excluding display pieces that are at best, art.  Anyway, like anything else I've mentioned, it's a tool that depends on the hands it is in to determine the value of its use.  I carry a folding Stanley razor most times.  It's handy due to my work, as I often need to open boxes and packaging, cut wires, etc.  I have pocket knives for the same thing.  Hunters need knives, fisherman need knives, and on and on.  How does an enforcement officer decide when a person has a legitimate need for a knife?  Does he even need the right to make that decision 99% of the time? 

In the end, a criminal will use whatever is readily available.  Would you rather have a cut or extreme blunt trauma from being beaten down with a big wrench?  Do you want wrenches banned next?  If a couple people get beaten with wrenches, does that justify making them illegal?  Earlier in this thread folks were talking about now that guns are rare, knife crimes are on the rise.  What do you think happens when knives are rare, crime is over?
2006-06-01 15:50:25
InnerMonkey
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Vilham wrote:

This amnesty as i said before allows you to hand in a knife without investigation into the uses of that knife and the fact that you carried it to the police station, this is in the hope that there will be less knifes out there in the hands of dangerous people.  Btw carrying the knife IS illegal, you cant carry a blade over 3cm on the streets.
I've seen a martial arts instructor take a tiny knife, with maybe a 2 inch blade at best, and absolutely lay open a large side of beef.  His point was that you don't need some giant crocidile hunter style knife to defend yourself.  It changed my view of knives forever.  Unless you want to repeatedly stab deeply into something, or just need a penile extension, a large knife is cumbersome.  A 99 cent box cutter is just as deadly, probably moreso considering the speed and accuracy in which it can be used.

Seriously stop critising the police for trying to do something rather than just sitting back and continuing with what they are doing which doesnt decrease crime but just maintains its levels and stops it overflowing. It may or may not work but they are trying which is better than nothing.
With a gun, I can see where getting them off the streets makes a difference in gun crime.  Removing knives will probably do the same.  This doesn't make crime go away, it just makes the tool used change.  I would think that a much better way to reduce crime would be to make the punishments so harsh that even the craziest of criminals would think twice out of fear of being caught.  In the end though, crime will always be there.  It is your personal choice how you want to deal with it.  If it's your way, run *if* you can.  If you're okay with letting someone take the things you work hard for away from you, that's your call.  Who knows...maybe the police will catch them.  There is always a slim chance that could happen afterall.  If you want to fight for your rights and belongings that you've worked hard for, then that's your choice too.  I will not tell you that one is right and the other is wrong. 

I, like many others, don't feel I should have to give up my personal rights because a criminal did something wrong.  Punish the criminal I say. That's just my opinion, no one has to agree with it.  You see, it's my personal right to have an opinion, at least until that's made illegal because opinions get people hurt.

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2006-06-01 16:07:27
RoofusMcDoofus
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Vilham wrote:

Btw carrying the knife IS illegal, you cant carry a blade over 3cm on the streets.
What?  You've got to be joking.  A blade... 3 cm?  That's just under 1 1/8 inches!  The smallest pair of fingernail clippers I have (pretty small ones) have a little file and a pointy thing for cleaning under fingernails... And that part alone is substantially longer than 3 cm! I'd hardly call a blade that size anything more than "Letter opener", or maybe "toothpick".

See!
https://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8250/omgitsaknife9wn.jpg

Seriously, I'm either being made a fool, or you guys are much worse off than I ever suspected.

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2006-06-01 21:57:53
tonybls12
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RoofusMcDoofus wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Btw carrying the knife IS illegal, you cant carry a blade over 3cm on the streets.
What?  You've got to be joking.  A blade... 3 cm?  That's just under 1 1/8 inches!  The smallest pair of fingernail clippers I have (pretty small ones) have a little file and a pointy thing for cleaning under fingernails... And that part alone is substantially longer than 3 cm! I'd hardly call a blade that size anything more than "Letter opener", or maybe "toothpick".

See!
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8250 … ife9wn.jpg

Seriously, I'm either being made a fool, or you guys are much worse off than I ever suspected.
why would anyone need a blade longer than 3cm?
what legal uses could there be that would need a rambo knife on the streets of england?
ps the law says it is 3 inches not cm
as long as it is capable of foldding and dose not lock

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2006-06-01 22:09:34
unnamednewbie13
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RoofusMcDoofus wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Btw carrying the knife IS illegal, you cant carry a blade over 3cm on the streets.
What?  You've got to be joking.  A blade... 3 cm?  That's just under 1 1/8 inches!  The smallest pair of fingernail clippers I have (pretty small ones) have a little file and a pointy thing for cleaning under fingernails... And that part alone is substantially longer than 3 cm! I'd hardly call a blade that size anything more than "Letter opener", or maybe "toothpick".

See!
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8250 … ife9wn.jpg

Seriously, I'm either being made a fool, or you guys are much worse off than I ever suspected.
Everyone who wants clipper amnesty raise their hand.
2006-06-02 02:40:38
=OBS= EstebanRey
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I'm confused by the Americans that are critisising or finding this strange.  Think about it this way, which of our two countries employs airport-style metal detectors in schools?  I would much rather live in a country that tries to reduce the weapons' availability than one that lets all and sundry carry knifes and guns and scans its school kids like potential criminals every time they go to school.

Check our gun deaths vs yours and work out the "per head" stat by dividing them by population.  You'd see that getting shot in the UK is miles less likely than in the USA and those saying they need a gun for self defence aren't seeing that this is a circular argument....if the criminal didn'at have a gun you wouldn't need one etc.

Personally, guns have no place in any society and only the army and controlled sports should be allowed them.  America is kind of weird when it comes to gun laws; for example if two women walk onto a beach, one with an AK-47 and one with her top off the latter would be the one who gets arrested.  Only in America is nudity viewed as worse than carrying a device designed to kill and main.

Knifes are a different animal because they have far more legit uses but if you've seen some of the knifes handed in so far you would be glad that they are off our streets.....
2006-06-02 06:52:18
Vilham
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

I'm confused by the Americans that are critisising or finding this strange.  Think about it this way, which of our two countries employs airport-style metal detectors in schools?  I would much rather live in a country that tries to reduce the weapons' availability than one that lets all and sundry carry knifes and guns and scans its school kids like potential criminals every time they go to school.

Check our gun deaths vs yours and work out the "per head" stat by dividing them by population.  You'd see that getting shot in the UK is miles less likely than in the USA and those saying they need a gun for self defence aren't seeing that this is a circular argument....if the criminal didn'at have a gun you wouldn't need one etc.

Personally, guns have no place in any society and only the army and controlled sports should be allowed them.  America is kind of weird when it comes to gun laws; for example if two women walk onto a beach, one with an AK-47 and one with her top off the latter would be the one who gets arrested.  Only in America is nudity viewed as worse than carrying a device designed to kill and main.

Knifes are a different animal because they have far more legit uses but if you've seen some of the knifes handed in so far you would be glad that they are off our streets.....
exactly btw more than 6000 knifes have been handed in so far.
2006-06-02 09:21:26
[CF]Snowytheman
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"Personally, guns have no place in any society and only the army and controlled sports should be allowed them.  America is kind of weird when it comes to gun laws; for example if two women walk onto a beach, one with an AK-47 and one with her top off the latter would be the one who gets arrested.  Only in America is nudity viewed as worse than carrying a device designed to kill and main."

People don't get arrested here for being nude on the beach....a nice lifeguard drives up and asks them to please put their clothes back on. If you walk anywhere with an AK-47 you can expect to be arrested in short order as fully automatic weapons are illegal to posess anywhere in the US.

It amazes me that countries who have month long riots and people getting killed in sports stadiums by mobs have the gall to insinuate that the US needs more law and order...

During both major "riots" in the US, Watts 1965 LA 1993, they lasted less than a week. Why? Because armed citizens began to stand guard over their shops and property to prevent looting and destruction, while the police dealt with the larger mobs. France 2006 rioting lasts for 45+ days....police and government can do nothing, citizens get to stand around and watch their property get torched...

I'll take the ability to defend my family and property over government intervention anyday.
2006-06-02 10:43:30
RoofusMcDoofus
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[CF]Snowytheman wrote:

"Personally, guns have no place in any society and only the army and controlled sports should be allowed them.  America is kind of weird when it comes to gun laws; for example if two women walk onto a beach, one with an AK-47 and one with her top off the latter would be the one who gets arrested.  Only in America is nudity viewed as worse than carrying a device designed to kill and main."

People don't get arrested here for being nude on the beach....a nice lifeguard drives up and asks them to please put their clothes back on. If you walk anywhere with an AK-47 you can expect to be arrested in short order as fully automatic weapons are illegal to posess anywhere in the US.
I'm sorry, you don't know WTF you're talking about.

It's perfectly legal to own, buy and use fully automatic weapons in every state but the Western Bloc State Of Caliiforniiaaa.  I, myself, have a collection of machine guns, including a 1917 Browning Machine Gun that was used in WWII, a Vickers that was used in WWI, a M2 .50  Browning MG that was used in WWII--it flew on a plane (the barrel is bent, and although I could replace it, I haven't had the urge, cause it's a cool story piece) technically it's model number is GAU-10/A, cause it flew on an Air force plane.  I also have several Thompsons, an MG40, a Sten MK V, an MP5, and an M16.  In addition, I have silencers and other stuff that people think is banned.  It's all registered, and it's all perfectly legal in most places.  All you have to do is pay the taxes and fill out the right forms.  I'm sure, however, that if a gun ban is implemented, my door will be one of the first the fuzz knock on.

And I also agree that USA is too crazy about boobies and peeners.  Seriously, 50% of us have one or the other, and some have both.  It's not a big deal.  It's not going to screw kids up if they see a nipple...  They aleady see everything else.  SO WHAT!  They can see IR videos of Iraqis getting torn apart by gunships, they can see buildings and people get destroyed, a tit or two won't harm them!  Gosh!

edit: also wanted to add the Maxim MG, forgot about it.

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2006-06-02 12:15:13
unnamednewbie13
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

I'm confused by the Americans that are critisising or finding this strange.  Think about it this way, which of our two countries employs airport-style metal detectors in schools?  I would much rather live in a country that tries to reduce the weapons' availability than one that lets all and sundry carry knifes and guns and scans its school kids like potential criminals every time they go to school.
Funny. I never went through an airport-style metal detector unless I go into an airport or enter a high-profile government building. That school thing is mostly for urban and high crime areas.

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2006-06-02 13:25:38
InnerMonkey
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I'm not normally laugh at this sort of thing, but the word 'peeners' makes me giggle.
2006-06-02 13:35:44
[CF]Snowytheman
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Roofus....are you a Class 3 FFL holder? If not they may be knocking on your door sooner than you think...but only if that MP5 was made after 1986.

"While many machine guns can be legally owned with a proper tax stamp from the BATFE, the Gun Owner's Protection Act of 1986 barred the transfer to civilians of machine guns made in the U.S. after May 19, 1986. The only exception was for Special Occupational Taxpayers (SOT): licensed machine gun dealers, manufacturers, and those dealing in exports and imports. As such, only the earliest Colt M4 prototypes built prior to May 19, 1986 would be legal to own by a non-SOT civilian. (Note: Civilian ownership of imported machine guns was limited to those imported prior to the enactment of the Gun Control Act of 1968.)"

California, New York, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Kansas, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, Rhode Island , North and South Carolina, Washington (state) and Wash DC do not allow Class 3 Firearms. Most if not all states outlaw full auto weapons in game fields/ranges and forests.

Any hoo... re-read what I posted. If you go run down to your local beach with one of your machine guns you would be picked up fairly quickly by your local police dept. with possible SWAT assistance and thrown in jail until they figured the whole mess out....

Sorry for scewing OT here....but plz don't say I don't know what I am talking about. I have been a NRA Life Member since I was 12 (now 34), I think I know a bit about firearms and the associated laws.
2006-06-02 17:56:25
RoofusMcDoofus
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Snowy,

Indeed, I hold all of the paperwork necessary to keep my little collection and I've gone thorough all the bureaucratic bullshit imaginable, and it took many years to get it all sorted out.  It all started when my great grandparents died and passed my grandparents two of those guns.  I heard about it, 20+ years after the fact and they were being held by someone that keeps that sort of stuff.  Really, it was quite fortunate that they hadn't been destroyed after all that time, but it was a bitch to track down.  The lady holding the guns didn't want to give those guns up, and I fought like hell to make it happen, and that involved a suit and all sorts of bullshit.  Both guns (the Maxim and .50) have significant local historical value, so they may go to a museum eventually.  Anyway, I've been there and done that, and I've got the lawyer invoices to prove it.

When you said "...fully automatic weapons are illegal to posess anywhere in the US", I thought that you might have been a little naive, or possibly a little disingenuous, especially considering your newly reviled history with the NRA.  However, it's most likely that I mistook you, when you might have intended to say something along the lines of "It's illegal to go carrying fully automatic weapons around on the beach because you'll scare the shit out of everyone and cause a panic".  Yeah, that wouldn't be a good idea, and I totally agree in that respect.  You'd have to be really damn crazy to do that, and I wouldn't blame the police if they killed such a nutter.
2006-06-02 18:51:21
redhawk454
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+50|6777|Divided States of America

Spumantiii wrote:

specops10-4 wrote:

Well, we have a great country, not willing to give ourselves up and have no source of defense.  Because our nation is so successful (right to bear arms has helped us become successful) we have millions of poor, desperate people trying to sneak into our country.  Our diversity brings segregation among races, unfortunately many immigrants are poor and take desperate actions to try and rise.  With TONS of illegal, stolen or "just lying around " guns, these people fight each other, mostly in places like LA and Miami.  Our violence is actually a result of our success, and that banning weapons will lower crime rates a little bit, but there are too many guns and other weapons circulating around for this to stop soon. 

In the UK, these laws might work but over here in the US of A, no way. (lol i didn't mean to rhyme, no seriously I did not!)

For you guys who think that banning weapons will end up better for you, wait till some thug comes to mug you.  Would you prefer to take the chance that he doesn't have a weapon, and if he does (a huge chance that it is illegal) there will be almost no chance of survival, or you hear him sneaking around, you get your little gun/knife and now you have the upper hand?  I would take the latter.  Even if the guy somehow gets yours, you would have been dead anyways because he outsmarted you.

(if there are any confusing sentences, I guess I'm just a stupid American...  and that would be a stereotype, a common mistake made by uneducated people)
the only thing America is good at is making weapons to kill other americans

When someone comes to mug you you give up your shit and run.  You don't try to fight the mugger.  That way there is no question who gets canned.  The mugger.  And you don't have to risk being hurt by a coward.

I can't stand this ignorant 'I will use guns because he uses guns' attitude.  If you let stupid people be stupid they will be dealt with.  How many problems have been solved by coming back being stupider?  How many wars have started that way?  How many killed, do you want to be next?

I think it's a good idea, and something the mighty USA could never do because too many gun owners are too goddamned headstrong (just because they own a gun), and because the US has made enough weapons to reasonably (not rambo style)  kill everyone on the planet 10+ times over.  Not counting nukes.  You are in denial of a very real problem.  You need to look at other countries where citizens aren't cowards that hide behind pistols and automatics whenever a fight breaks out.  Look at the people who have the BALLS to LEAVE it and let the AUTHORITIES deal with the problem.   If enough people were reasonable in the states, you might not have that problem.  That and the gov't is all for your weapons because THAT'S where your money comes from.

PS  every American citizen has payed  over 2500 USD to support the use of guns for the sake of using guns, and getting more oil to drive humvees.  Was it worth it?  Is the problem finished?  Do you approve of the presidency now?  We all know the ONLY WMDs in Iraq were ones AMERICA SOLD THEM, and the DU SHELLS (nuclear btw for all you ignorant war supporters) THAT AMERICA SMATTERED ALL OVER  the Iraqi countryside.  This is another case of your policies hurting yourselves.  Gulf War 'Syndrome'  IE RADIOACTIVE CONTAMINATION BY YOUR OWN WEAPONS


How do you explain those peaceful immigrants becoming murderous criminals and drug dealers?  (btw 99% of them are SIMPLY harder workers and deserve that USD more than you)
Only in the land of the free, home of the 'brave'  can people be convertrd to such a lifestyle. 
How many of those immigrants, you figure, can afford a gun?

A friend of mine was shot in the head on dec 3 by a fucking coward who was egged into it by his friends, thinking they were tough because they had a gun.  They were rich faggot fucks with nothing better to do than go clubbing wearing fairy silver tight shirts and point guns at honest folk.  If you are one of those people then FUCK YOU,   (not the above guy, just in general)
and FUCK your (probably) honda civic with 10k worth of 'body kit' this aint need for speed, this aint fucking GTA.  Seriously, Grow up.
funny how america produced windows. a real shitty program, but microsoft makes more a year than the whole gun industry combined. as far as law enforcement. it takes me ten minutes to get to town. the cops will take atleast 45 min. the fire dept. is half that dist. and they take 30 min. and any one who thinks this war is for oil is living in the dark ages. this is about human rights. too bad saddam and his sons didnt rule england. they would be crying. "america help us". the last time england tried to take OUR guns we kicked thier asses out. we still celebrate it. we call it the 4th. of july, or INDEPENDANCE DAY. you cn have my gun.... when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
2006-06-04 17:24:05
Big McLargehuge
Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody
+259|6832|Philadelphia, PA
I think this is why the U.K. wants to keep stop from carrying knifes.

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/11494229 … e_Violence

One of the two kids attacked in the video died from his wounds.

If you don't like seeing people being hurt I think you shouldn't watch this.

Last edited by Big McLargehuge (2006-06-04 17:41:06)

 

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