Not unless there's an American carrier in the area which I'm not aware of. Our military is too small for that. And they'd get backing from the rest of south-east Asia.anzus wrote:
24hours and their entire naval fleet will be sitting on the bottom.
Justify that with hard facts buddy.Bubbalo wrote:
And they'd get backing from the rest of south-east Asia.
Am I correct in saying that this behaviour led to US sanctions on military equipment?vedds wrote:
Justify that with hard facts buddy.Bubbalo wrote:
And they'd get backing from the rest of south-east Asia.
I find it very hard to believe that in a regional engagement such as this the "rest of south-east Asia" would side with Indonesia militarily. Im too tired to go through this in depth now but indonesia has a history of not playing friendly that should make most SEA nations wary.
In fact name a military alliance Indonesia belongs to.
Yup, Embargo in 99, was lifted for non-lethal equipment to help the Tsunami recovery effort last year. Thats why the bought Sukhoi Flankers (I think 27s and 30s) in the early 2000s. They cant buy spare parts for their Skyhawks and Falcons.Spark wrote:
Am I correct in saying that this behaviour led to US sanctions on military equipment?
The fact that they all hate us?vedds wrote:
Justify that with hard facts buddy.
I find it very hard to believe that in a regional engagement such as this the "rest of south-east Asia" would side with Indonesia militarily. Im too tired to go through this in depth now but indonesia has a history of not playing friendly that should make most SEA nations wary.
In fact name a military alliance Indonesia belongs to.
You seem to be incapable of cogent argument. If you cant debate properly I suggest you stop cluttering the forums with useless flippant quips that add nothing to the debate.Bubbalo wrote:
The fact that they all hate us?vedds wrote:
Justify that with hard facts buddy.
I find it very hard to believe that in a regional engagement such as this the "rest of south-east Asia" would side with Indonesia militarily. Im too tired to go through this in depth now but indonesia has a history of not playing friendly that should make most SEA nations wary.
In fact name a military alliance Indonesia belongs to.
Well when you think about it one aussie army cook with a 9mm pistol is about as effective as one thousand yanks with machine guns.............Cougar wrote:
There are still enough troops left in Australia to defend against an American attack.
So the answer is no. Pls send more troops kthx.
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.45cal would be more like it, 9mm is too weak... thats one aussie army chef now, but in ww2 is different but i agree w/ uNemessis1982 wrote:
Well when you think about it one aussie army cook with a 9mm pistol is about as effective as one thousand yanks with machine guns.............Cougar wrote:
There are still enough troops left in Australia to defend against an American attack.
So the answer is no. Pls send more troops kthx.
Tell that to the guy who shot himself in the head with a 9mm!cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
.45cal would be more like it, 9mm is too weak... thats one aussie army chef now, but in ww2 is different but i agree w/ uNemessis1982 wrote:
Well when you think about it one aussie army cook with a 9mm pistol is about as effective as one thousand yanks with machine guns.............Cougar wrote:
There are still enough troops left in Australia to defend against an American attack.
So the answer is no. Pls send more troops kthx.
*armchair general alt="Indonesian invasion speculation*Bubbalo wrote:
It adds plenty to the debate. Australia is in a very precarioues position, we have no geographically close allies of good strength (New Zealand is too small to be of any real threat, East Timor and Papua New Guinea are also of little use). The second they smell blood, they'll be all over us.
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Oh, they'll back us up. New Zealand will only give safe haven to ships they know aren't nuclear, and the US refuses to say which are and which aren't. They need their south east Asian outpost.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
First we've really pissed of the Yanks and they ain't interested in; talking to their satellites for a third of the time (Pine Gap), or want the back up submarine communication system (Exmouth), or the only really friendly port for their nuclear ships in the Indian ocean(Garden Island, WA) so we can't count on any help from them.
Which is exactly why Japan had decided early on that they would never invade Australia. This is a particular problem for Indonesia as their military outnumbers us, but is less skilled.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
they are going to land in the north and face a huge desert to get to the populated areas.
I would argue that was due more to situation and strategy than environs, the Australians were well suited to an isolated, defensive role.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
As Rommel found out (and the Italians before him, and the Turks before them) taking on Australian troops in a desert is not much fun
It would also be interesting to see how the city dwellers reacted (i.e. would the trimmings of modern society have made them soft, or would it be just as bloody as the urban fighting in poorer nations)Fred[OZ75] wrote:
Not least of all the Australian people, I'm quite sure there would be plenty of experienced bush men with rifles taking pot shots at the advancing army also, laying traps, blowing things up (i.e. sources of water).
Oh, I don't think they could successfully invade and occupy Australia (if they could they would have done so already), I just thought anzus assessment was a bit optimistic.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
As you may have guessed ain't too worried about Indonesia yet... wait till they have nukes and I'll worry.
I wasn't even talking about the Military (troops) sides of thing, Naval is what I was on about, yes if they are sending their entire fleet to the ocean border those old things wouldn't last 24hrs. Our ships, subs & aircraft would make very short work of them. And please don't tell me there ain't US warships & subs in the area. Probably a US sub sitting there right now laughing at them. And when it does come to the troops no we don't have the numbers to protect ET from an Indonesian invasion that is why ET has asked the Malaysian army to secure its borders. Yes the rest of Asia has its dislikes for Indonesia for decades now and would most likely love to invade them using any excuse.Bubbalo wrote:
Oh, they'll back us up. New Zealand will only give safe haven to ships they know aren't nuclear, and the US refuses to say which are and which aren't. They need their south east Asian outpost.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
First we've really pissed of the Yanks and they ain't interested in; talking to their satellites for a third of the time (Pine Gap), or want the back up submarine communication system (Exmouth), or the only really friendly port for their nuclear ships in the Indian ocean(Garden Island, WA) so we can't count on any help from them.Which is exactly why Japan had decided early on that they would never invade Australia. This is a particular problem for Indonesia as their military outnumbers us, but is less skilled.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
they are going to land in the north and face a huge desert to get to the populated areas.I would argue that was due more to situation and strategy than environs, the Australians were well suited to an isolated, defensive role.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
As Rommel found out (and the Italians before him, and the Turks before them) taking on Australian troops in a desert is not much funIt would also be interesting to see how the city dwellers reacted (i.e. would the trimmings of modern society have made them soft, or would it be just as bloody as the urban fighting in poorer nations)Fred[OZ75] wrote:
Not least of all the Australian people, I'm quite sure there would be plenty of experienced bush men with rifles taking pot shots at the advancing army also, laying traps, blowing things up (i.e. sources of water).Oh, I don't think they could successfully invade and occupy Australia (if they could they would have done so already), I just thought anzus assessment was a bit optimistic.Fred[OZ75] wrote:
As you may have guessed ain't too worried about Indonesia yet... wait till they have nukes and I'll worry.