what? dont get the first sentence... but the rest .. yeah i see lolkr@cker wrote:
If they took all of job ______ then there wouldn't be anyone else doing job _________ now would there, you just refuted yourself, had you said "I see crackers all over them damn strawberry fields" you would have proven something.CommieChipmunk wrote:
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And for all you people saying 'they're taking our jobs' bullshit, i have yet to see a white american work in the fields picking strawberries.
That's because they have driven the wage to do so below fair market value, I say kill the welfare system and send all the freeloaders to the strawberries. Funny you mentioned this, I just bought 4# of strawberries from a grower known for using illegals, I picked them my self and saved $4.00, in just half an hours time, double that savings and that's more than minimum wage, which is what some of these lazy crack whores are making flopping whoppers in between trips to the dealer and DFACS to get some food stamps that I paid for.
oh, bite mebakarocket wrote:
No problem. I misread things about %50 of the time.
Sweet! My first negative Karma!
"English, all the way. The ONLY way ^_^ "
Brilliant. Now when you learn that this isn't true, come back to me and we can discuss it like civilised people.
What don't some people not under stand about ILLEGAL immigrants
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lol. It was you?! All right. I forgive you because you misread the post.
cant give you +1 for 24 hours to make it even...
Because no one has yet proven that they are bad for an economy. The numbers given by each side are ignored by the other, and everyone just runs around in circles squawking. If it's because they are a drain on the economy and will run America into the ground, prove it, because there is a lot of evidence (both historical and contemporary) that says otherwise.PspRpg-7 wrote:
What don't some people not under stand about ILLEGAL immigrants
If you don't prove it, and it turns out you were wrong, and you succeed in getting rid of them, America might experience an Alanis Morisette moment.
Pernicious, it's okay dude. I don't need it.
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we were founded by immigration!!! i'm sure the indians would consider us ILLEGAL immigrants but we just shoved them onto reservations.... or just killed them...PspRpg-7 wrote:
What don't some people not under stand about ILLEGAL immigrants
I like how people keep mentioning the so-called Native Americans, like in that animated clip, while forgetting the fact that the pilgrims and Columbus were a couple hundred years before the colonies were established. As far as that matter goes, any gripes a Native American has about the colonies should be taken up with the Spanish, French, and English. I'm not too clear on the events of the 1800's, but I do know that, contrary to the crap spewed by Hollywood, the US gov't wasn't the only one to break a treaty. There was plenty of that going on on both sides. There were wars, we won. It's just that slinging mud on the victor is the fashionable thing to do. I just wish I could get that rich off of tax breaks and casinos, but my geneology is fuzzy where Seminoles and Cherokee are concerned, we just know that there are "some".
So, is it your opinion that we should not try to control immigration at all?CommieChipmunk wrote:
we were founded by immigration!!! i'm sure the indians would consider us ILLEGAL immigrants but we just shoved them onto reservations.... or just killed them...PspRpg-7 wrote:
What don't some people not under stand about ILLEGAL immigrants
I'll just copy and paste what I posted in the other immigration thread a couple of days ago.
and this:B.Schuss wrote:
I think most western nations need immigration reform badly, including my country. Just today, the interior secretaries agreed to create mandatory language tests for citizenships applicants, a novum in germany.
with regard to the current debate in the US, I have the following questions:
Is it legal for an employer to have illegals working for him ? We have the same problem here in germany ( mainly in the construction sector ), but governmant officials are cracking down on those. Don't the employers get in serious legal trouble when hiring illegals in the US ?
I agree that this should be enforced, across the board.
Why do children of illegal immigrants that were born in the US automatically become US citizens ? That's nonsense. I know the law says if you are born in the US, you are a US citizen, but we should consider the times and the circumstances under which that law was created and modify it according to the circumstances today, don't you think ?
There are legal ways to become a US citizen. Why support those who can't be bothered to follow those ways ?
Follow the law, pay taxes or get the f*** out, I say.
One last issue. Every western nation needs immigration to keep its economy going. If the number of around 10-12 million illegal immigrants is true, it is obvious you cannot live withouth that labor force. Or do you really think you will find that many US citizens willing to do those jobs for that kind of money ?
Moreover, the birth rates in western nations are dangerously low. If that trend continues, we won't have enough people to keep our economies and social systems going. We need immigration.
But it's got to be fair and it's got to be legal...
the whole thread can be found here: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=22732&p=1B.Schuss wrote:
This is an immigration problem, but only at the top. When you dig deeper into the matter, it becomes obviously an economic issue. Why are we not talking about illegal immigration from Iceland, or the netherlands, or Monaco ? Because those countries have solid economies with decent social systems to provide for their citizens. They also have good schools to provide their people with quality education.
And let's face it, the average mexican or bolivian doesn't have all that. Apart from canada, the US is probably the only country on the american continent to provide decent opportunities for immigrants.
I am certainly not condoning illegal immigration, but what would you do if the only chance you had to feed your family was to try to get a job in the US ? Fill out the papers and wait those 8-12 years for legal citizenship ?
Those people come to the US because their countries are shitholes with no opportunities.
On a side note, I also acknowledge that a big part of our wealth as westerners comes from the exploitation of cheap labor in our homelands and abroad. You think you'd be able to afford Nike clothing if they were produced in the US ?
This is a global issue, not limited to the US. Europe has the same problems along our southern border to north africa.
To me, there are only two solutions:
1) build a new version of the Wall to prevent illegals from entering ( the whole thing, barb wire, electric fences, minefields )
2) help their native countries to better themselves, thereby eradicating the motivation to emigrate in the first place.
Until then, we will have to live with the fact that there are poor and not-so-poor people on this planet, and that the poor will stop at nothing to better themselves. That's just natural.
Eh. I got a D in a mandatory high school liberal civics course because I didn't agree with the teacher's political views. Or maybe it was a C. Too irrelevant to remember straight away.stryyker wrote:
i got in trouble at school for arguing about this. basically, my arguement was, you came here, do shit yourself.
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Maybe the French, Spanish, or British that were here before us did it????? Fuckin' Europeans, killing the Indians.CommieChipmunk wrote:
we were founded by immigration!!! i'm sure the indians would consider us ILLEGAL immigrants but we just shoved them onto reservations.... or just killed them...PspRpg-7 wrote:
What don't some people not under stand about ILLEGAL immigrants
Which injuns owned which land???? are you saying that the maybe 100,000 Indians inhabiting America in the 1500's owned and controlled all 3.5 million Square miles of America.CommieChipmunk wrote:
Good God! as said in earlier posts, america was founded by immigration which was deemed legal by the immigrants with no consideration to the people actually living there (Indians). So now, because we, the 'Americans' decide that we can close our borders and end the immigration that we were founded upon? I know that it doesnt work if we just open our borders to everyone but we can't treat these people like scum. They are the base of our economy.
And for all you people saying 'they're taking our jobs' bullshit, i have yet to see a white american work in the fields picking strawberries.
Your stupid, go pick stawberries for $5 an hour.
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No Mas!
NO ES BUENO!!OSS-CAPT-SPEIRS wrote:
No Mas!
bubbalo, thanks. you've managed to prove that you have no problems falling to new levels of stupidity when you find yourself unable to argue back.Bubbalo wrote:
Uh-huh. Because only people who live in America know anything about it?Ender2309 wrote:
don't fucking talk about the states' economy when you don't even live here.
no, others might, but then again, others don't act like they know everything either.
now if you have something constructive to say about the other parts of my post, let me know.
for the person who -karma'd me for my post saying "farming is the single most important industry in the US....."
yeah, no shit?
but here. lets think about this logically
the farming that brings the united states the most revenue is grain farming. now then, in grain farming you use something called a COMBINE THRESHER. threshers are like giant tractors that pick grain. oh yeah, lets not forget how expensive they are, not to mention how dangerous they can be if operated incorrectly.
now then, lets take a walk in a farmer's shoes. illegal immigrant who doesn't speak english and has a poor education driving my expensive thresher that could kill somebody and get me in trouble? uhh....no.
when you refer to an illegal immigrant farmer, do you know what they do? nine out of ten times they pick apples, oranges, strawberries, etc. the nonessentials. lets not forget that agricultural degree needed to be a good farmer, either!
therefore, illegal immigration in the workforce: a boost in labor, yes, but essential? no, not really.
zzzzzzz, wake me when it is time for me to bash on Bubbalo, zzzzzzzzzzz
OK thats nice, enjoy cleaning toilets and doing construction work.
hey retard, we said we don't need illegal immigrants. not immigrants. guess what, by the way? you're a fucking african immigrant! we're all african immigrants. well, at least if we go to ancestors.Vin wrote:
This just proves americans are dumb rednecks. Your whole country is made of imigrants!!! The founders of your country are the scum of europe!!! You americans are so ignorant you don't even know your own history. You say you don't need imigrants, lolololol. Your parents or grandparents are imigrants!!! Get out of your bubble and wake up to the real world!!!
actually it just passed in congress. it is the official language.bakarocket wrote:
Um. No it isn't. English is the most-spoken language in the US, but there is no official language...yet.Pernicious544 wrote:
who ever is the ass that gave me a negative karma with the comment that english is not the US 's native language is a damn fool...It is, your a moron go ahead and look it up you dummy......alot over some karma, I know but I dont know who sent it and I hope the retard reads this because English IS our national language so STFU!!!
DOES THIS MEAN I WILL STAY THIS COLOR FOREVER!!!!!!Ender2309 wrote:
hey retard, we said we don't need illegal immigrants. not immigrants. guess what, by the way? you're a fucking african immigrant! we're all african immigrants. well, at least if we go to ancestors.Vin wrote:
This just proves americans are dumb rednecks. Your whole country is made of imigrants!!! The founders of your country are the scum of europe!!! You americans are so ignorant you don't even know your own history. You say you don't need imigrants, lolololol. Your parents or grandparents are imigrants!!! Get out of your bubble and wake up to the real world!!!
well, how bout that!! Woot Woot for English!Ender2309 wrote:
actually it just passed in congress. it is the official language.bakarocket wrote:
Um. No it isn't. English is the most-spoken language in the US, but there is no official language...yet.Pernicious544 wrote:
who ever is the ass that gave me a negative karma with the comment that english is not the US 's native language is a damn fool...It is, your a moron go ahead and look it up you dummy......alot over some karma, I know but I dont know who sent it and I hope the retard reads this because English IS our national language so STFU!!!
I'm perfectly happy allowing them to live here if they just do the damn paperwork and pay taxes. Where I live,
every morning when i go to work, over 200 minorities converge in front of the Target parking lot. People pull up
in trucks asking for a few hands and they hop in. All pay is under the table, tax free.
We support illegal immigrants with our tax money to pay for their food vouchers, medical care, and prison
accomidations.
Seeing as how English is the official language, I feel that its still important to teach other languages in school.
I envy alot of Europeans for this. In my travels over there, it wasn't uncommon to talk to someone who
spoke more than 2 languages. Most americans only know how to cuss in spanish. Really comes in handy
when your latina girlfriend is pissed off at you.
every morning when i go to work, over 200 minorities converge in front of the Target parking lot. People pull up
in trucks asking for a few hands and they hop in. All pay is under the table, tax free.
We support illegal immigrants with our tax money to pay for their food vouchers, medical care, and prison
accomidations.
Seeing as how English is the official language, I feel that its still important to teach other languages in school.
I envy alot of Europeans for this. In my travels over there, it wasn't uncommon to talk to someone who
spoke more than 2 languages. Most americans only know how to cuss in spanish. Really comes in handy
when your latina girlfriend is pissed off at you.
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Your brought up the massive criminal element brought in, go to the chicken plant in Crider, Ga, and it won't take you more than 1 minute to spot a prison tat, but yeah, cheating the system is my main problem with it, and alot of the taxes we miss out on go back to their home to finance another illegal's entry. I don't care who comes in, just do it the right way.
And I thought all High Schools at least offered a choice between French and Spanish, am I wrong? Maybe it's just a few states. Don't forget though that Europe is a whole bunch of countries crammed in on each other, here, if I drove west for 12 hours, I would be in Mississippi. Some places in Europe if you did that, you would be reading Italian, French, and Spanish. It's alot easier to learn when you hear it everyday, I slept through Spanish but can read it pretty good just cuz I was born in Miami.
"Las cucarachas entran, perro no pueden salir!!"
Edit: did they finally make it official? Last I heard those spineless pussies (of all political parties) were debatin whether to call it the "common language". I hope they finally showed some balls.
And I thought all High Schools at least offered a choice between French and Spanish, am I wrong? Maybe it's just a few states. Don't forget though that Europe is a whole bunch of countries crammed in on each other, here, if I drove west for 12 hours, I would be in Mississippi. Some places in Europe if you did that, you would be reading Italian, French, and Spanish. It's alot easier to learn when you hear it everyday, I slept through Spanish but can read it pretty good just cuz I was born in Miami.
"Las cucarachas entran, perro no pueden salir!!"
Edit: did they finally make it official? Last I heard those spineless pussies (of all political parties) were debatin whether to call it the "common language". I hope they finally showed some balls.
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yeah it passed but some stupid retard in the senate is trying to bag votes by calling it "racist" to make it the offical language so its gonna be a drawn out issue.