BF2S Forums "Massacre" in Iraq by U.S. Troops

yerded wrote:

Nothing says it must be the truth like an unanswered post on such a topic.

or you could wait longer than 10 minutes.

I understand the hardships the troops have to go through everyday, but that does not justify what they did. They killed a 3 year old girl. Somehow, I have trouble believing she was an insurgent. They also killed a 76 year old man. Being under pressure does not give you an excuse to kill unarmed civilians who are still in their pajamas.

I really dont wanna comment on the haditha incident cus that one kinda hits close to home.  i just wish people dont jump to conclusions and call them murderers god damnit.  unless you have ever been in a situation like that, you cant judge them.

Homeschtar wrote:

I'm not assuming it was on purpose, I just think those marines were being stupid. They were angry because their bud died from an IED. But the thing is, the innocent people weren't killed during combat, they were just killed a while later while the marines were searching through their houses.

none of us were there.period.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Homeschtar wrote:

I'm not assuming it was on purpose, I just think those marines were being stupid. They were angry because their bud died from an IED. But the thing is, the innocent people weren't killed during combat, they were just killed a while later while the marines were searching through their houses.

none of us were there.period.

True, I'm just using what I'm reading from the Associated Press.

I don't like how, even though very little information has been released, and the investigation hasn't conluded, people don't give the soldiers the benefit of the doubt. How can you know that the civilian casualties were murder at this point in time?

Gunslinger

I bet you they feel evern more shitty losing one of their own in front of their eyes.

I hope not, but I would understand. The soldier chose to risk his life in the defence of what he believes. That little girl got caught in the cross-fire.

Homeschtar wrote:

I understand the hardships the troops have to go through everyday, but that does not justify what they did. They killed a 3 year old girl. Somehow, I have trouble believing she was an insurgent. They also killed a 76 year old man. Being under pressure does not give you an excuse to kill unarmed civilians who are still in their pajamas.

yes it does, lets say you where in iraq and your convoy was attacked and a few of your mates killed, you see the people run into a house and u kill them, wouldnt you? YOU CANT TELL WHO IS A CIVI AND WHO IS INSUREGNT IN IRAQ trust me

i feel like I should share my experiences with IED;s I guess



anytime a patrol i was in got ambushed or IED'ed, SOP would be to fire everything you got at both flanks unless you know where the contact was coming from ofcourse, but most of the time you dont.  90% of the time, we dont choose the battlefield, we just wait to get attacked so we could react to contact.  With that in mind, whenever I was involved in an IED or an ambush, it was, it was always in a populated area or an area with homes or busineses.  Yeah, we let out a lot of rounds into houses and buildings and sure, civilians might have/probably gotten hurt, thank god nothing as bad as what the marines allegedly did in haditha, but even so.  My platoon lost somebody to an IED.  Brandon Sapp KIA 15 AUG 2004.  That IED could have easily been detonated with me instead of him but my patrol was 4 hours earlier and haji was still eating breakfast.  the next though, we went to the area where we lost Sapp and started busting heads.  we didnt kill anybody but we sure werent very nice either.


These civilians that were alledgly killed were also the ones that saw the insurgent burying the IED outside their homes.  They know who the guys with the mortars and rockets are.  Depending on the size of an IED it may take a whole night's worth digging and work just to place it.  And these people saw this happen and stayed quiet.

bakarocket wrote:

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Pretty easy decision for a scared shitless civvy, I'd say. Turned out it was the wrong one, but they had the odds on their side.

you cannot possibly be talking about gunslinger

yerded wrote:

Many so called civilian deaths are counted in Iraq. Many of these so called civilians were sporting an RPG or digging in a I.E.D when they were killed and I say FUCK EM! We are trying to bring a better life to these people and it will be a long hard bloody road, and many innocents will die. Ask a former Iraqi citizen how he/she feels about what we are doing before you pass judgment on these brave men involved in this nightmare.

    Because we hold our own to a higher standard there will be a proper investigation and those deemed guilty by a court of law will be punished. Don't lose faith in the mission of freedom for these people; what? did we pick who could run in their elections?! NO! we allowed them to elect from their own and THAT IS A GOD DAMNED NOBLE CAUSE WORTH FIGHTING FOR.

    Those people most like died because "insurgence" ran into the house they were in. Case closed in my mind.

You know what bud, how about you go live in a place like iraq, you see your people murdered tortured etc by a dictator like Saddam....  Then we ship in a whole bunch of American 'freedom fighters' to liberate you and your people.  Then it turns out that you have to live in fear constantly, because of jet fighters flying over your house every day dropping "presicion" guided bombs.  and what if you get tied up in a fire fight and get shot in the chest?  hmm sorry.. thought that apple in your hand was a grenade

to me you sound like someone who has been brainwashed by media nationalism and propoganda.  We're trying to bring a better life to these people... what so now instead of fearing their government they get to fear foreign oppressors?.. yippee .. you're stereotyping an entire country, i'm sure that little girl was 'sporting a RPG'... yep she would only get blown back a couple yards when she fired it.. i'm sure that every single person killed in iraq was an insergent.. hell i bet they're all insergents

okay and your last paragraph... so WE decide that THEY want to be a democracy for them?! Blatant imperialism! what if they dont want to be democratic!? We're not spreading peace or democracy, hell we dont even know what democracy.  Government for the people by the people right? well then what we got is called a 'plutocracy'.. government bythe rich and for the rich. 

think about it, who gets elected? people with tons of money and can campaign.  do we, the people do anything except vote for one of 2 people.. and then an electoral college casts the votes... just in case the masses (us)  are too uneducated to make the right pick

ahh american ignorance beautiful product of mass conservative media

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CommieChipmunk wrote:

yerded wrote:

Many so called civilian deaths are counted in Iraq. Many of these so called civilians were sporting an RPG or digging in a I.E.D when they were killed and I say FUCK EM! We are trying to bring a better life to these people and it will be a long hard bloody road, and many innocents will die. Ask a former Iraqi citizen how he/she feels about what we are doing before you pass judgment on these brave men involved in this nightmare.

    Because we hold our own to a higher standard there will be a proper investigation and those deemed guilty by a court of law will be punished. Don't lose faith in the mission of freedom for these people; what? did we pick who could run in their elections?! NO! we allowed them to elect from their own and THAT IS A GOD DAMNED NOBLE CAUSE WORTH FIGHTING FOR.

    Those people most like died because "insurgence" ran into the house they were in. Case closed in my mind.

You know what bud, how about you go live in a place like iraq, you see your people murdered tortured etc by a dictator like Saddam....  Then we ship in a whole bunch of American 'freedom fighters' to liberate you and your people.  Then it turns out that you have to live in fear constantly, because of jet fighters flying over your house every day dropping "presicion" guided bombs.  and what if you get tied up in a fire fight and get shot in the chest?  hmm sorry.. thought that apple in your hand was a grenade

dont get it twisted man.  You know how few occasions guided munitions are dropped over head?  My 12 months there I witnessed two airstrikes, one in fallujah and one in najaf.  trust me when I say this, the insurgents are behind most of the bad things falling from the sky. aiming specifically at civilians, making them headlines and changing eveybodies mind.