how many people died in car accidents yesterday?Vilham wrote:
Btw another person died yesterday by the knife walking home from the football.
the topic is about the knife amnesty in case you hadnt noticed, thus i am saying why they have introduced it...talking bout on news 1 minute...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
how many people died in car accidents yesterday?Vilham wrote:
Btw another person died yesterday by the knife walking home from the football.
going 16 to 18 to buy knife
teachers can search pupils for knifes
tougher sentences
only 3k knifes handed in so far.
teachers can search pupils for knifes
tougher sentences
only 3k knifes handed in so far.
well im pretty sure more people died by car accidents than sharp pointy objects yesterday. maybe yall should start thinking about banning motor transport, i mean you do have two legs dont you, you dont NEED a car, and besides they kill so many people anyways.
now your being pedantic for the sake of it. anyway THEY ARENT BANED the police are just asking people to hand them in. also cars arent weapons they arent designed to crush and kill, knifes are meant to cut thus they are used as weapons.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
well im pretty sure more people died by car accidents than sharp pointy objects yesterday. maybe yall should start thinking about banning motor transport, i mean you do have two legs dont you, you dont NEED a car, and besides they kill so many people anyways.
in the United States, a car can be considered a deadly weapon in a court of lawVilham wrote:
now your being pedantic for the sake of it. anyway THEY ARENT BANED the police are just asking people to hand them in. also cars arent weapons they arent designed to crush and kill, knifes are meant to cut thus they are used as weapons.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
well im pretty sure more people died by car accidents than sharp pointy objects yesterday. maybe yall should start thinking about banning motor transport, i mean you do have two legs dont you, you dont NEED a car, and besides they kill so many people anyways.
I believe that Nerf could save lives everywhere. It floats, absorbs shock, nonconductive, and is colorful. We don't need to be making things illegal, just mandate the use of nerf in making clothes, cars, planes, knives, elc. If people really cared, they would nerf themselves.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
well im pretty sure more people died by car accidents than sharp pointy objects yesterday. maybe yall should start thinking about banning motor transport, i mean you do have two legs dont you, you dont NEED a car, and besides they kill so many people anyways.
And no I will not disclose my Investment Portfolio.
Read back a bit. This is an insult, I can only assume you have run out of legitamate arguments. It is beneath me.Vilham wrote:
Lol what insults have been exchanged? none as far as ive read.
Edit i would like to note this was about UK knife amnesty so get back to the topic and lets stop talking about americans killing each other and being happy about it.
he dosen't refute 1 line of argument, Insults, looks down on Americans as Violent, The boasts that Brits are knifing eachother.
I hate short people.
wtf who is boasting about knifings.Horseman 77 wrote:
he dosen't refute 1 line of argument, Insults, looks down on Americans as Violent, The boasts that Brits are knifing eachother.
I dont need to justify the fact that
A. legalising guns causes problems
B. if its not that then its you americans coz the canadians own guns too 2 for every person, and they dont have such high crime.
Last edited by Vilham (2006-05-31 11:08:32)
My guns have never caused any problems that I am aware of. If me owning guns has caused anybody else any problems please let me know when and how.
Short people smell funny.
WHEN KNIVES ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE STUFFED PORKCHOPS!!!Vilham wrote:
now your being pedantic for the sake of it. anyway THEY ARENT BANED the police are just asking people to hand them in. also cars arent weapons they arent designed to crush and kill, knifes are meant to cut thus they are used as weapons.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
well im pretty sure more people died by car accidents than sharp pointy objects yesterday. maybe yall should start thinking about banning motor transport, i mean you do have two legs dont you, you dont NEED a car, and besides they kill so many people anyways.
Or stuffed peppers.
It's really hard to be a good cook with only these;
USA and the UK are very different, this debate has turned messy and neither side is willing to listen or try to understand each other, criminal's are always going to carry weapons, i just hope the amnesty will lower the amount of kids carrying them.
K to end this if you are happy about your country and dont wish others to critisise it, dont critisise us for reducing crime in our country.
Messy? Read it page by page. I never insulted anyone even when they insulted me. I listed facts and sources even in their arguments, They didn't even know the sources they were quoting. We know how our country got started and how we got a hold of our goverment and who we kicked out and how we kicked them out.
Our people for all their faults and short comings would be a bit tougher to " cleans ethnically "
call me when your crimes drop on acount of that misguided knife amnesty thing ( better ? ). peace Out !
Our people for all their faults and short comings would be a bit tougher to " cleans ethnically "
call me when your crimes drop on acount of that misguided knife amnesty thing ( better ? ). peace Out !
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for the last time ITS NOT A LAW!!! k Out !
More boring stats from the violent USA:
States with RTC (right to carry concealed weapon) laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, 21% lower total violent crime, 28% lower murder, 43% lower robbery, and 13% lower aggravated assault, compared to the rest of the country. Nine of the 10 states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (Data: FBI.)
Crime declines in states with RTC laws. Since adopting RTC in 1987, Florida`s total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 31% and 52%, respectively. Texas` violent crime and murder rates have dropped 19% and 33%, respectively, since its 1996 RTC law. (Data: FBI.)
States with RTC (right to carry concealed weapon) laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, 21% lower total violent crime, 28% lower murder, 43% lower robbery, and 13% lower aggravated assault, compared to the rest of the country. Nine of the 10 states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (Data: FBI.)
Crime declines in states with RTC laws. Since adopting RTC in 1987, Florida`s total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 31% and 52%, respectively. Texas` violent crime and murder rates have dropped 19% and 33%, respectively, since its 1996 RTC law. (Data: FBI.)
I know, Take over and have at it ! Its a lost cause.[CF]Snowytheman wrote:
More boring stats from the violent USA:
States with RTC (right to carry concealed weapon) laws have lower violent crime rates. On average, 21% lower total violent crime, 28% lower murder, 43% lower robbery, and 13% lower aggravated assault, compared to the rest of the country. Nine of the 10 states with the lowest violent crime rates are RTC states. (Data: FBI.)
Crime declines in states with RTC laws. Since adopting RTC in 1987, Florida`s total violent crime and murder rates have dropped 31% and 52%, respectively. Texas` violent crime and murder rates have dropped 19% and 33%, respectively, since its 1996 RTC law. (Data: FBI.)
And we're all just trying to tell you that we have a whole lot more experience with it, and that just because it doesn't work in the US doesn't mean it won't work in Europe, because it has before. You seem incapable of accepting that, and it's really sad to see you argue that if it works one way in the US, it works the same way everywhere else. Open your eyes to the cultural diversity.Horseman 77 wrote:
We presented all the Real facts and Real stats from people who have already lived through it.
Our side of this argument has never stooped to insults
We live in different places with different people and the USA has a very diverse collection of cultures.
We carefully and thoroughly refuted the "More likely to hurt your self with a gun " line you insist on clinging to with the information provided by the Scholar who penned that False Statistic.
You live on an Island the size of our State of New Jersey, the USA is larger and we have long boarders with our neighbors.
We have good people and bad people just like you do.
Every where we have tried the "lets ban this " tactic it has failed utterly.
The fact is that good people outnumber bad people.
The only thing you can do for bad people is stack the deck in their favor.
In the days before mass production the Local blacksmith manufactured and repaired weapons.
A weapon is not hard to manufacture particularly a crude automatic weapon
Sten MkIII or Mac10 comes to mind. ( A knife ? )
A Pennsylvania Rifle is much harder to reproduce than a Mac10. Believe me.
Guess which one goes for 300 bucks and which one sells at $8000.
On that note a few years back a NYC landlord sent people to clean up a recently vacated loft space.
The found the machines needed to Mass produce Mac10 9mm Full autos and hundreds in various states of partial assembly. They have no Idea how many were produced at the location. But they had rented it for over 5 years and left a lot of valuable equipment behind. Money is no object to the average drug lord.
Even if a magic magnet sucked up every single weapon on Earth this would not prevent the oldest form of criminal ploy "The Gang".
The simple facts are , in the "Total ban on weapons " places, crime is rampant to the point of anarchy.
The places they eased up on private ownership restictions crime has abbated instantly.
We were just trying to give you a heads up, ignore us if you want to.
Last edited by mikkel (2006-05-31 15:07:39)
Yeh, Europeans can't be trusted with guns. In France they get dropped and left were any child could pick it up an harm themselves. In Germany the chase the French around with them. In Belguim they have know clue how to use them, so they don't.mikkel wrote:
And we're all just trying to tell you that we have a whole lot more experience with it, and that just because it doesn't work in the US doesn't mean it won't work in Europe, because it has before. You seem incapable of accepting that, and it's really sad to see you argue that if it works one way in the US, it works the same way everywhere else. Open your eyes to the cultural diversity.Horseman 77 wrote:
We presented all the Real facts and Real stats from people who have already lived through it.
Our side of this argument has never stooped to insults
We live in different places with different people and the USA has a very diverse collection of cultures.
We carefully and thoroughly refuted the "More likely to hurt your self with a gun " line you insist on clinging to with the information provided by the Scholar who penned that False Statistic.
You live on an Island the size of our State of New Jersey, the USA is larger and we have long boarders with our neighbors.
We have good people and bad people just like you do.
Every where we have tried the "lets ban this " tactic it has failed utterly.
The fact is that good people outnumber bad people.
The only thing you can do for bad people is stack the deck in their favor.
In the days before mass production the Local blacksmith manufactured and repaired weapons.
A weapon is not hard to manufacture particularly a crude automatic weapon
Sten MkIII or Mac10 comes to mind. ( A knife ? )
A Pennsylvania Rifle is much harder to reproduce than a Mac10. Believe me.
Guess which one goes for 300 bucks and which one sells at $8000.
On that note a few years back a NYC landlord sent people to clean up a recently vacated loft space.
The found the machines needed to Mass produce Mac10 9mm Full autos and hundreds in various states of partial assembly. They have no Idea how many were produced at the location. But they had rented it for over 5 years and left a lot of valuable equipment behind. Money is no object to the average drug lord.
Even if a magic magnet sucked up every single weapon on Earth this would not prevent the oldest form of criminal ploy "The Gang".
The simple facts are , in the "Total ban on weapons " places, crime is rampant to the point of anarchy.
The places they eased up on private ownership restictions crime has abbated instantly.
We were just trying to give you a heads up, ignore us if you want to.
Pretty fucking obvious this is a lost argument, I wouldn't trust a Britian walking down the street with a pocket knife either. I don't care if he is a criminal or not, he is European and can't be trusted with such lofty responsibilities such as carrying a pointy object.
Y'know, when you're left with nothing substantial to say, it's often better to just concede through posting or silence than stooping to childish levels.Major_Spittle wrote:
Yeh, Europeans can't be trusted with guns. In France they get dropped and left were any child could pick it up an harm themselves. In Germany the chase the French around with them. In Belguim they have know clue how to use them, so they don't.mikkel wrote:
And we're all just trying to tell you that we have a whole lot more experience with it, and that just because it doesn't work in the US doesn't mean it won't work in Europe, because it has before. You seem incapable of accepting that, and it's really sad to see you argue that if it works one way in the US, it works the same way everywhere else. Open your eyes to the cultural diversity.Horseman 77 wrote:
We presented all the Real facts and Real stats from people who have already lived through it.
Our side of this argument has never stooped to insults
We live in different places with different people and the USA has a very diverse collection of cultures.
We carefully and thoroughly refuted the "More likely to hurt your self with a gun " line you insist on clinging to with the information provided by the Scholar who penned that False Statistic.
You live on an Island the size of our State of New Jersey, the USA is larger and we have long boarders with our neighbors.
We have good people and bad people just like you do.
Every where we have tried the "lets ban this " tactic it has failed utterly.
The fact is that good people outnumber bad people.
The only thing you can do for bad people is stack the deck in their favor.
In the days before mass production the Local blacksmith manufactured and repaired weapons.
A weapon is not hard to manufacture particularly a crude automatic weapon
Sten MkIII or Mac10 comes to mind. ( A knife ? )
A Pennsylvania Rifle is much harder to reproduce than a Mac10. Believe me.
Guess which one goes for 300 bucks and which one sells at $8000.
On that note a few years back a NYC landlord sent people to clean up a recently vacated loft space.
The found the machines needed to Mass produce Mac10 9mm Full autos and hundreds in various states of partial assembly. They have no Idea how many were produced at the location. But they had rented it for over 5 years and left a lot of valuable equipment behind. Money is no object to the average drug lord.
Even if a magic magnet sucked up every single weapon on Earth this would not prevent the oldest form of criminal ploy "The Gang".
The simple facts are , in the "Total ban on weapons " places, crime is rampant to the point of anarchy.
The places they eased up on private ownership restictions crime has abbated instantly.
We were just trying to give you a heads up, ignore us if you want to.
Pretty fucking obvious this is a lost argument, I wouldn't trust a Britian walking down the street with a pocket knife either. I don't care if he is a criminal or not, he is European and can't be trusted with such lofty responsibilities such as carrying a pointy object.
Ahem.......mikkel wrote:
Y'know, when you're left with nothing substantial to say, it's often better to just concede through posting or silence than stooping to childish levels.Major_Spittle wrote:
Yeh, Europeans can't be trusted with guns. In France they get dropped and left were any child could pick it up an harm themselves. In Germany the chase the French around with them. In Belguim they have know clue how to use them, so they don't.mikkel wrote:
And we're all just trying to tell you that we have a whole lot more experience with it, and that just because it doesn't work in the US doesn't mean it won't work in Europe, because it has before. You seem incapable of accepting that, and it's really sad to see you argue that if it works one way in the US, it works the same way everywhere else. Open your eyes to the cultural diversity.
Pretty fucking obvious this is a lost argument, I wouldn't trust a Britian walking down the street with a pocket knife either. I don't care if he is a criminal or not, he is European and can't be trusted with such lofty responsibilities such as carrying a pointy object.
Goes for you, too.Horseman 77 wrote:
Ahem.......mikkel wrote:
Y'know, when you're left with nothing substantial to say, it's often better to just concede through posting or silence than stooping to childish levels.Major_Spittle wrote:
Yeh, Europeans can't be trusted with guns. In France they get dropped and left were any child could pick it up an harm themselves. In Germany the chase the French around with them. In Belguim they have know clue how to use them, so they don't.
Pretty fucking obvious this is a lost argument, I wouldn't trust a Britian walking down the street with a pocket knife either. I don't care if he is a criminal or not, he is European and can't be trusted with such lofty responsibilities such as carrying a pointy object.