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this meeting between trump/vance and zelensky is a car crash of world-historical badness. one of the worst diplomatic exchanges i have ever seen.

what the trump admin were hoping to achieve by cutting zelensky out of the earliest negotiations and presenting him with a shakedown for half his country’s mineral wealth, i don’t know.

it honestly seems like they’re talking to him and expecting him to beg and kiss their feet. a really revolting spectacle.

strange times. the cold war order flipped on its head. trump’s representative at the UN basically voting as a bloc with … north korea and belarus to help russia fuck over ukraine.

i know this whole ‘haha, let’s watch flyover america fuck itself over by voting for oligarchs to stomp on them’ is a masochistic lark, but really your country is basically turning its back on the entire post-ww2 world order. forget skeptical readings of an overweening NATO or undercontributing EU. there’s a place to register those complaints. but right now the trump admin are caving in to putin’s wildest dreams.

what happened to ‘the art of the deal’?

Last edited by uziq (2025-02-28 10:36:01)

uziq wrote:

impatience with the boring analysis and discussion of ordinary democratic political process

deserves a strong highlight, i think. correlation!=causation, yada yada, but this is a fairly common factor in a lot of my conversations with the trump side fresh from recent months, and "i don't have the time/patience" would lead into justification of the trump vote (see also: "i didn't vote for harris because i didn't agree with or understand harris." "did you listen to her speeches?" "no." "did you even listen to trump's speeches? how did you understand anything he was saying?" "i didn't listen to those, either").

mention of "AP" or "Reuters" for political light-reading (you cannot suggest a book—it's a miracle if they even read a texted/linked article to comment on it) draws a sneer and audible scoff despite the fact that these aren't left-wing fox. there's a knee-jerk rejection of any and all things 'expert' without conservative endorsement, or a presenting of one or oneself as "alternative expertise."

like that forestry person you linked who got her face eaten by a leopard, their minds will never be changed except through the poetic, personal tragedy of reaping the consequences of their error. for now though, i think distractions like "gulf of america" will continue to generate chortles among those who enjoy the chaos.

all this didn't just generate out of nowhere. we've had decades of building oppositional defiance. i don't particularly enjoy the idea of red states suffering because of trump. but that the non trumpers of america and the world get to suffer because of it is more regrettable?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2025-02-28 12:39:27)

imagine: deal signed. trump, proud and victorious, holds up the napkin zelenskyy signed promising a share of ukraine's "raw earth."

the best negotiator.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

https://x.com/drewharwell/status/1895547272324387078?s=46&t=QE4_6VQStUJ77OKnIcMVqg

related. lmao jesus christ.

The same people would be complaining that he was wearing a suit while he is supposed to be a war time president.

I get why he does it wear a suit. Because he's a wartime president.

i mean, yeah, the semiotics of it aren't particularly deep nor interesting.

elon musk doesn't wear a suit when he's addressing cabinet or mooching around the white house. nor does senator fetterman when he's denying genocide.

weird that an alt-right media plant was allowed to ask such a random ass question during such a moment of geopolitical importance. you get entry to the inner sanctum of the munich agreement 1938 and you ask chamberlain why he doesn't have his top button done up? the new right-wing and their talking points/culture wars are so fucking retarded.