In Bezos defense he is doing the very normal thing of boosting his bimbo trophy wife. Musk life would be much easier and all together more tolerable if he found a bimbo to parade around and not embarrassed with social media posting.
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it's also funny considering contractors and people who Work With Their Hands look at engineers with disdain similar to that which engineers cast upon those they deem "non-doers."uziq wrote:
and why is it automatically better if the 'consultants' doing the departmental thinning are engineers rather than mckinsey types? do you really think an engineer-consultant is going to do a better job? lmao.
the former is sometimes justified, even. "doers" have a long tradition of correcting expensive muck-ups caused by engineers who skimmed the blueprint, don't know the machinery, and ignore the advice of people who have decades of experience in any given industry, maybe even cumulative centuries between members of a large team who may tend to hold troublesome engineers at the same arm's length they would a career bureaucrat.
if engineers can't even be trusted to lay pipe, i don't see why people should trust them to oversee projects totally disconnected from their fields of expertise.
the richest man in the world has a mid-life crisis post-divorce bimbo that an accountant could find in a 3-star resort in cancun.SuperJail Warden wrote:
In Bezos defense he is doing the very normal thing of boosting his bimbo trophy wife. Musk life would be much easier and all together more tolerable if he found a bimbo to parade around and not embarrassed with social media posting.
it's very sobering, in a way. a sort of erotic memento mori. 'the duck-faced tacky bimbo awaits you all'.
There are bad engineers and bad technicians.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
it's also funny considering contractors and people who Work With Their Hands look at engineers with disdain similar to that which engineers cast upon those they deem "non-doers."
the former is sometimes justified, even. "doers" have a long tradition of correcting expensive muck-ups caused by engineers who skimmed the blueprint, don't know the machinery, and ignore the advice of people who have decades of experience in any given industry, maybe even cumulative centuries between members of a large team who may tend to hold troublesome engineers at the same arm's length they would a career bureaucrat.
if engineers can't even be trusted to lay pipe, i don't see why people should trust them to oversee projects totally disconnected from their fields of expertise.
Generally it comes down to ignorance and arrogance and that can be anyone.
In my experience some of the worst people to deal with are technicians who have done a low level course and think they are an engineer, or think they know everything about anything because they've spent 30 years turning a nut on a production line.
Equally there are engineers who think they know everything based on a 3-4 year degree when in fact its a very light smattering of a very broad field - its barely enough to give you an idea of where to start looking when you have something to investigate, not all the information you'll ever need.
Then of course there are the mentally ill, and they're spread all over.
I'm still not sure why its assumed that humanities nerds should be able to turn their hand to anything while engineers should stick to engineering.
Financial firms lap up top-level engineers, half the people I knew at uni went into the city. A rigourous degree with high level maths - and application of maths - equips people to do a lot.
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We both know they're spread all over govt.uziq wrote:
i'm talking about the civil service and you're talking about elected officials?
Considering the terrible job arts types have done I think its time to give engineers a go.and why is it automatically better if the 'consultants' doing the departmental thinning are engineers rather than mckinsey types? do you really think an engineer-consultant is going to do a better job? lmao.
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This has been a bad few weeks.uziq wrote:
elon musk and techlords that you venerate like a teenaged boy
Musk mis-applied 2000AD canon, couldn't define the kind of 'sieg heil' he was trying to do, been exposed as a stat-padder on Diablo IV and the cybertruck is a stupid piece of crap.
My idol has turned out to have feet of clay.
This is a difficult time for me and I think you could be a bit more sensitive about it.
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the whole 'arts grads versus STEM grads' debate is asinine when it comes to governance. if you're calling for technocratic leadership, you have to accept that there's eventually going to coalesce a class of politicos and a surrounding ecology of policy wonks, special advisers, and think-tankers. that's a logical outcome of the demand for specialisation when it comes to demanding people specifically qualified for 'politics'. and that class today is composed mostly of people from top universities and a narrow sociological stratum, regardless of what degrees they read for.Dilbert_X wrote:
We both know they're spread all over govt.uziq wrote:
i'm talking about the civil service and you're talking about elected officials?Considering the terrible job arts types have done I think its time to give engineers a go.and why is it automatically better if the 'consultants' doing the departmental thinning are engineers rather than mckinsey types? do you really think an engineer-consultant is going to do a better job? lmao.
a person's undergraduate degree has really very little bearing on their aptitude for 'real-world' careers, least of all one that involves a wealth of non-book-learned and non-theoretical knowledge such as politics. most STEM grads don't go on to work directly in their field as physicists or chemists or biologists; most arts and humanities grads don't go on to become art historians or journalists or archeologists or whatever. a person's post-graduate education (i mean in the wide sense, not the sense of MAs and MScs) and training are far more germane as to whether or not they're up to the job. this applies across basically all careers, whether it's the corporate world or the legal profession or the charity sector or whatever.
your focus on a 3-year period of someone's life between the ages of 18-21 only reflects your own retarded development and maladjustment to life, i'm sorry to say. nobody has this telescopic focus on what candidate x read at brasenose and caius college in 1987. by the time they're mid-career in the civil service or being elected to high-office in their 40s or 50s, their undergraduate degree is wholly irrelevant. literally decades of experience and knowledge have (or should have) intervened, ffs.
what is happening with 'DOGE' is replacing one type of spurious ideological capture with another. if america's bureaucracy and state departments have truly been infected with the 'woke postmodern DEI marxist relativist mind virus', then sending in a crackteam of silicon valley ideologues who believe they have a monopoly on 'rational' governance surely isn't going to fix it. they're not going in there to do audits, dissemble the engine and put it back together in right working order so that it's well-tuned and lubricated, dilbert. they're going in there wielding ideological scissors intending to do as much damage to the 'enemy' (read: according to their own class interests) as possible. the billionaire-oligarch class and overlords of our new stage of techno-feudalism are gutting the state and holding a bonfire of regulations so that they can do exactly as they want. and you're cheering because 'woohoo! they're using engineers! i'm technically one of those in my CAD role at a small australian company! my people are in control now!' it's really quite pathetic that you have so much of your ego invested in your degree/profession.
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musk has a bachelor's in physics and is lauded as real-life ironman for reasons that boggle the mind, and singlehandedly popped his own reputation bubble when he could've just kept his hands to himself and built some soup kitchens or something. bezos has a bachelor's in engineering with the imminently attainable goal of *checks notes* removing humans from earth to turn it into a national park, while being singularly, frustratingly wrongminded about hr, while at the same time his talk of life-improvements at amazon is palpably performative anyway. meanwhile, zuck, the actual human robot, is a harvard dropout who was chastised for stealing people's pictures for his creepy facebook prototype. "fine, i'll create my data-stealing empire and do it anyway."Dilbert_X wrote:
There are bad engineers and bad technicians.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
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Generally it comes down to ignorance and arrogance and that can be anyone.
In my experience some of the worst people to deal with are technicians who have done a low level course and think they are an engineer, or think they know everything about anything because they've spent 30 years turning a nut on a production line.
Equally there are engineers who think they know everything based on a 3-4 year degree when in fact its a very light smattering of a very broad field - its barely enough to give you an idea of where to start looking when you have something to investigate, not all the information you'll ever need.
Then of course there are the mentally ill, and they're spread all over.
I'm still not sure why its assumed that humanities nerds should be able to turn their hand to anything while engineers should stick to engineering.
Financial firms lap up top-level engineers, half the people I knew at uni went into the city. A rigourous degree with high level maths - and application of maths - equips people to do a lot.
trump bootlickers preeminently qualified to reshape the nation, as opposed to say civil, civic-minded people with a background in law, ethics, pol sci, etc.
why do people look up to these assholes, again? don't you just want to leave earth and go live under the benevolent rule of elon musk or jeff bezos?
dilbert: "give engineers a chance!"
the engineers: …
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"i cherrypick examples of politicians i don't like to conclude that all arts and humanities graduates are terrible for governance. but arrogant or incompetent engineers? well, those things can affect anyone".Generally it comes down to ignorance and arrogance and that can be anyone.
what are you not getting from the half-dozen examples i've already given you in which engineers were precisely allowed to govern? are you really this historically illiterate? the 20th century is literally the century of attempts at 'scientific' governance and 'rational' engineering of polities and markets. read a FUCKING book!I'm still not sure why its assumed that humanities nerds should be able to turn their hand to anything while engineers should stick to engineering.
as for why your prospects are generally less wide than for graduates of proper STEM subjects like physics or maths - well, that's your problem. engineers don't get to brag about their sky-high 'closed shop' professional salaries and then whine that their degrees are considered more narrow than other academic subjects.
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meanwhile all the "small government," self-proclaimed live-and-let-live irt lgbt+ etc. people who still voted for trump (i.e., probably nobody left on this forum):
(executive order) DEFENDING WOMEN (whether they want it or not) FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential … overnment/
He. Said. He. Was. Going. To. Do. It.
(executive order) DEFENDING WOMEN (whether they want it or not) FROM GENDER IDEOLOGY EXTREMISM AND RESTORING BIOLOGICAL TRUTH TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential … overnment/
He. Said. He. Was. Going. To. Do. It.
https://x.com/thechiefnerd/status/18820 … 7OKnIcMVqg
all of these tech billionaires are not exactly being subtle.
ellison of oracle: “thanks to our technology, surveillance capitalism will ensure the little people are always on their best behaviour”.
elon musk after supporting the AfD and bringing back all the neo-nazis to his platform: “sieg heil!”
peter thiel busily funding the alt-right in the background and installing JD vance as the VP.
dilbert: give the tech people and industrialists a try! it’ll be better this time, i promise!
all of these tech billionaires are not exactly being subtle.
ellison of oracle: “thanks to our technology, surveillance capitalism will ensure the little people are always on their best behaviour”.
elon musk after supporting the AfD and bringing back all the neo-nazis to his platform: “sieg heil!”
peter thiel busily funding the alt-right in the background and installing JD vance as the VP.
dilbert: give the tech people and industrialists a try! it’ll be better this time, i promise!
except henry ford didn't inherit millions, cheat the visa system, or systematically lie through his teeth about his university qualifications. and henry ford did build his business from the ground up, and presumably knew a thing or two about cars.
Well never mind the nazi stuff and machine-gunning unionists in the swamp.
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I actually don't care.uziq wrote:
they're going in there wielding ideological scissors intending to do as much damage to the 'enemy' (read: according to their own class interests) as possible.
We've had decades, centuries of one class system lording it over everyone else, wielding ideological scissors against everyone who isn't them.
Either whats happening now will work out or it will trigger the next revolution, either is fine.
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This stuff is already hurting my students. Two didn't come to school. A third was upset and asked about the ICE stuff.
I told the kid that was upset about her boyfriend potentially getting deported
I told the kid that was upset about her boyfriend potentially getting deported
And then everyone clappedWhen I was your age George W. Bush was president. There were wars in the Middle East. Things were very bad here for Arabs. So I know what it is like to be in your situation. (I get mistaken for Arab all the time)
Don't be sad or afraid. The people who are doing this want you to be afraid and sad. Don't give them that power over you. And the best revenge is living well. If you want to defend yourself or get revenge focus on getting an education and getting skills. Use those skills to fight back.
if you have less students do you fire the maga assistant?
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Unfortunately I am stuck with the assistant. A different MAGA assistant that I really get along well with didn't like the fact that ICE was going to schools.
I said oh well.
I said oh well.
*fewer students.RTHKI wrote:
if you have less students do you fire the maga assistant?
were you homeschooled?
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I just wanted to be reminded of the biggest fall from grace in tv
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I can't even go back and watch old episodes or scenes on Youtube. A Star Wars sized who gives a fuck.
Is that GoT? If so, it was always shit and shame on you for expecting to be awed by that schlock.
there was like a whole arc awhile back i think where mac was mad at me for shitting on GoT. as time went on, i guess he became less enamoured?
Well as the show got past the books story-wise and the creators got a Star Wars deal it got much much worse.
Sometimes I see dating profiles mentioning GoT. I always wonder if they still like it or haven't updated their bio in 10 years.
Sometimes I see dating profiles mentioning GoT. I always wonder if they still like it or haven't updated their bio in 10 years.