BF2S Forums 'All the children are insane.'

The racial thing is definitely concern trolling. It seems like the guy is still in the 80's. Racial segregation isn't really a thing talked about really among minorities when we talk about stuff like this. Increased access to resources and respect is more important. The thinking has moved away from "Being the token in whatever institution" to "creating institutions of our own." I can explain further if you want but have some stuff to do at the moment.

It's an insidious situation. Disproportionate punishments and meting punishments out unequally are both problematic and unfair. Racial targeting adds another problem on top of those. The Heavy Hand of the Law and likewise tough guy dispositions, let alone when riddled with corruption, will not instill respect for authority and society. And, for instance, it's a really bad look historically for a white administrator to lay down that kind of law in a minority school, specifically targeting minorities. People should be free from that kind of stress, and especially schoolchildren.

It sounds like pandering at the expense of defenseless, unrepresented students.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2023-09-10 08:13:29)

Dilbert_X wrote:

What is the complaint exactly?

Black kids are going to be disproportionately punished for the same infractions?

Yeah, that is the complaint.

I get that is just a fundamental part of life in America but we don't need to make it worse. And we definitely don't need to make it worse in order to promote a new principal who isn't representative of the community.

If this were really happening wouldn't the alt-woke have sued the hell out of the school by now?

Dilbert_X wrote:

If this were really happening wouldn't the alt-woke have sued the hell out of the school by now?

It might end up that way. I said it in the original post I made.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

And I sense this will all end badly. I think it will be ugly when someone is willing to publicly say what many are thinking.

One of the parents online said something I liked. It was a long post that had a "I don't understand how some people here be parents but want to punish kids so harshly." I suspect a good amount of the "the kids are out of control" people online aren't even parents.

Liability clashing with parental rights? Parents may want to be kept in the loop, but what happens if a school outs a student and harm comes to said student because of it?

Apples to oranges. The matter of teens procuring illegal narcotics, and narcotics illegally, is a tad different, no?

Though some states may want it, I believe it's not illegal anywhere in America (or presumably Australia?) to be gay or transgender. Instead, bigots fight them in other ways, such as pro-harassment legislation, what I'd call passive harassments (such as attacks on libraries and sex ed), ostracism by family/community, psychological abuse, threats and terror, assault, and murder.

It's probably unavoidable that the parents, as legal guardians, be in the loop before a teen achieves medical treatment in the form of something like puberty blockers (opening another can of worms in the form of CPS if there's a danger). Socially, it's probably none of their business. I trust teens to be more in tune with their parents' possible foul reactions than a detached administrator.

e: That said, (among other reasons) with the pressure on transgender people in the country to "pass," or else, the puberty blockers are probably not a horrible idea. And it's not like this stuff is just candy for doctors to freely pass around? From mayo:

In most cases, to begin using puberty blockers, an individual needs to:

• Show a lasting pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria.
• Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty.
• Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with the treatment.
• Be able to understand the treatment and agree to have it. This is called informed consent.

Puberty blockers are not recommended for children who have not started puberty.

In most cases, youth aren't old enough to get medical treatment without a parent, guardian or other caregiver's permission. This is called medical consent. For those who haven't reached the age of medical consent, a parent, guardian or caregiver often needs to agree to the use of puberty blockers. Parent and family support and encouragement also has been shown to be an important part of boosting mental health and well-being throughout this treatment.

That said, "gender nonconformity" seems dubious criteria, as a point of discussion. There are way more masculine cis women, or effeminate cis men, than many of their transgender counterparts. For instance, considering it improper for a transgender man to go to a salon, or a transgender woman to go play airsoft, feels deeply sexist and dated, and suggests a highly insecure society.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2023-09-16 05:25:27)

Dilbert_X wrote:

This is this generation's emo phase, many of whom have gone on to become productive members of society, Hollis for example.

Bit hard to grow out of it when you've radically changed your body.

very hard to get hormone therapy in aus as a kid. need both parents to consent and medical doctor etc etc. in the past it required judicial approval but that got changed in a case this year. but if there is one parent that objects, then it needs judicial approval.

Do you see many adult emos?
I don't see many, I guess it was a phase teenagers went through when they were confused and daunted by the future.

I'm sure the actual number of real trans people is well under 1%.

I'm also sure the remaining non-trains teenagers bombarded with "trans is good" propaganda are finding this confusing, and where they might have gone emo, goth or furry they're now doing gender reassignment.

Aren't bulimics people though?

If people want to be unhealthily stick thin isn't that their choice?

Shouldn't people be supported in their life choices?

Gender dysphoria isn't a disorder?

Bulimia isn't about not eating, its about being thin.

Just as drinking isn't about drinking, its about not being comfortable with the reality you're in and seeking to change it.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2023-09-18 06:38:38)