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Not sure what you're calling non-sequitur.

Right so, speculation. If-then speculation, on my part, ten hours ago, that:

If: they weren't doing anything specific on set that required Baldwin to be handling a prop gun,
Then, hinging on the if: Baldwin was probably being a fool.

It's happened plenty of times, people goofing around with a gun they thought was safe, and then it goes off, or they pull the trigger thinking it's unloaded, and it goes off. I had then hoped to credit Baldwin with more sense, which is why the if/then stuff. If he wasn't, disregard the then. It's not like I'm defaming him on Big Social Media with thousands of followers anyway.

Articles have been coming out constantly since my post was made, and will probably keep coming out for quite awhile. What seems consistent is that production and the working environment was a bit of a mess.

The gun was supposed to be cold. It was called cold. I would hope that he was handling it in accordance to usual protocols while shooting a scene or getting ready to.

An assistant director unwittingly handed Alec Baldwin a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer on the set of "Rust" in New Mexico, court records released Friday show.

“Cold gun,” the assistant director announced, according to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court and obtained by the Associated Press.

Instead, the gun was loaded with live rounds, and when Baldwin pulled the trigger Thursday on the set of the Western, he killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. Director Joel Souza, who was standing behind her, was wounded, the records said.

At the very least, this is a good argument for never trusting that a gun handed to you by someone who says it isn't loaded, isn't loaded.

Assistant director unaware gun was loaded with live rounds

What a chain.

When asked if the gun was loaded with a real bullet, the caller replied: “I don’t… I can’t tell you that… And this (expletive) AD that yelled at me at lunch – asking about revisions, this mother (expletive) – he’s supposed to check the guns, he’s responsible for what happens on the set.”

So what do you do when someone hands you a gun and tells you it's not loaded? How many hands did the prop get passed around, stating "cold," before finally reaching Alec Baldwin's?

i'm calling macbeth's raising of colin powell's spectre because alec baldwin gave a random girl some college money a 'non sequitur'. i don't know what the spontaneous or gratuitous charity of a film star has to do with the architect of the iraq war.

Alec Baldwin offing his coworker is a good example of why you should strive to not be a raging asshole all the time. No matter what really happened, a lot of people are going to suspect he was being an asshole or playing with the gun when he offed the girl.

Blank rounds and live rounds looks so much different that I will assume there was a conspiracy to get someone kill or hurt.

Admittedly I haven't been especially glued to the many articles as they're coming out. There was a lot of mixed language, contradiction, and speculation there (also plenty in comments sections), sometimes offering conclusions, even at the time the sherriff's department stated they didn't know.

Who am I to criticize someone relishing the suffering of another? This is still strange. For one, these culture wars where some other American is your bitter enemy because they mouth off on Twitter like you do is...bizarre. It's like bf2s drama but among people who definitely have better things to do. Also, it's not like Baldwin shot his least favorite daughter. He killed some white girl from Ukraine. Baldwin will have to pay some lawyers but he is never going to prison. I doubt he will dwell on this 5 years from now while celebrating Christmas with his family in Spain.

https://youtu.be/sjZ5I8l32CI

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Alec Baldwin offing his coworker is a good example of why you should strive to not be a raging asshole all the time. No matter what really happened, a lot of people are going to suspect he was being an asshole or playing with the gun when he offed the girl.

also colin powell covered for war crimes in vietnam and designed a conflict that killed 300,000 innocent people with no connection to terror and no threat to americans.

can you even imagine what all those dead people look like? we’re not talking one person in a freak accident. we are talking about mountains of bodies. can you even picture it, with all the snuff films and gore porn you watch online? imagine killing 300,000 people for a cynical lie. not even an innocent mistake. a knowing fabrication.

but i guess it’s okay because uncle tom was an inspiration to BlAcK fOlkS

Last edited by uziq (2021-10-23 20:47:09)

Imagine how many we could put through college while skipping the military as a middleman?

also, apropos of nothing, 'propmaster' has to be one of the lamest job titles ever. THE MASTER ... of ... PROPS!

uziq wrote:

richest country on earth.

needs to murder innocent brown people in order to give basic education to its citizens.

makes perfect zenzzz

There's roadblocks and limitations to even that.

https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/news/d … r-college/

Would be preferable to just discard VA red tape or whatever and have the country magically decide it's time to start putting people through the schooling they want, when they want it. And make sure that more Americans grow up in circumstances where college could be a viable path. At this point it almost sounds like discovering unicorns hanging out with bigfoot. Not intending to sound overly cynical about stuff, but …

e:

predictable counter, "where will the money come from?"

wHeRe wIlL tHe MoNeY CoMe FrOm?

e2:

second counter, "well if europe would pay its fair share in defense, we could have social programs too."

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2021-10-24 02:17:32)

Responsible shooting clubs don't typically let people dick around with blanks, it breeds complacency and contempt.

Film companies shouldn't let people dick around with live ammo, these days companies are formed and dissolved film by film, thats a bad starting point.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Why Baldwin was pointing the gun at the directors is a question. Whether he was being a dick or they wanted a specific angle.

I had already thought that there was negligence before Mr. Baldwin was handed the gun, but I too would like to know the circumstances to his pointing it towards those two. Not absolved of at least part responsibility in my mind until things are clear.

Thought it odd that the firearm was passing multiple hands before it reached Alec, but if what some of the other wild stuff I've been reading about that production is true, it doesn't really surprise me. He's an experienced actor too, I'd be surprised if his alarm bells weren't going off.

"Doing this for a long time — and doing it with the right crews and studios — there are so many levels of safeguards to prevent something like this from happening that it's very hard to fathom how a live round made it into that firearm," Carpenter said.

He said that, despite what it might look like to viewers, a gun is almost never pointed directly at the camera or at an actor. Or, at least, it shouldn't be.

"Alec Baldwin, when he had that weapon, you never point a gun at the camera directly unless it's locked off and remotely operated," he said.

"It's always a trick of the camera. [The gun is] always pointed off [camera]. So that was also another level of safety violation right there."

Carpenter said the process that was usually followed when shooting a scene like this is a long and laborious one. It looks like this:

The weapon would have had to be locked in a safe to be taken out that morning and brought on to set. The safe is in the props truck. They would have been checked prior to going into the safe
In the props truck, the armourer or prop master would have gone to the safe, taken the weapons out of the safe and checked them to make sure that they were safe and nothing was in them
Then they would have been placed on a cart, generally a locked cart because other cast and crew can get curious, and checked again as they were put on the cart
Then they would have been rolled out to location. The prop master or the armourer will know what scenes are going to be filmed and will have prepped the weapon if it was to have dummy rounds or if it was to have blank rounds. (Carpenter usually keeps rounds in separate bags)
Then the prop master or armourer would have stood by to watch the weapons, which are unloaded, not even with blanks in them
The weapons stay on the cart until the scene is actually filmed.

Jeffrey Wright was acting with a weapon on the set of Westworld when news broke of the shooting.

"We were all pretty shocked. And it informed what we did from that moment on," he said in an interview at the Newport Beach Film Festival.

"I don't recall ever being handed a weapon that was not cleared in front of me — meaning chamber open, barrel shown to me, light flashed inside the barrel to make sure that it's cleared," Wright said.

"Clearly, that was a mismanaged set."

Actor Ray Liotta of Goodfellas fame agreed that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.

"They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see," Liotta said.

"They give it to the person you're pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn't work."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-25/ … /100565066