you and dilbert should get together and compare neo-nazi tattoos. this 'clash of civilisations' rhetoric is catnip for lickspittle fascists like you two.strong western civilization..
The WallAutralianChainsaw wrote:
The Walluziq wrote:
which promises did he keep? inflicting massive trade war damages on american farmers? tax cuts for the rich? inviting two chinese firms to open factories in podunk, illinois, which were promptly shuttered after a year or two of operation?
can you honestly explain to me what promises trump delivered on?
Tax cut for corporations and working americans
Have NATO members pay their fair share
Becoming energy independant
new trade deals more fair for the american people
Tarifs on China (like it or not, you guys need to slow them down)
No new war
Getting along with NK and Russia
The Ban on countries with "islamist issues" .. (that one must have pleased some former member of bf2s)
Restoring the military power.
The Space Force (LOL)
Getting rid of "catch and release".. Biden reinstated it
and probably much more.. he did that with a hostile congress and senate.. fighting lawsuit left and right.. even fighting republicans
The one thing that strike me the most is the way he dealt with prices of drugs. Getting rid of the middle man brought down the price of Insulin like crazy.. something Biden cancelled as soon as he was in office. Now insulin prices are going back up.
Having that rule in place that pharmaceutical have to sell their drugs to hospital to the lowest price possible. Those are all great accomplishment that previous president never even tried to touch.
American farmers voted for Trump in 2020.. i think they still like him
Before Covid, the US was doing great you cannot deny that.
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You're a big fucking Moran is what you are. Birds of a feather.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I'm a big Trump guy.. Didnt care much for him before he ran in 2016 but after listening to him during the campaign and seeing that he kept all his promises, i was sold. (yea i know.. Mexico didnt pay for the wall)unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Rating generally not good on BF2S. The man is all bellicose and bluster. Negative reviews of the Jan 6 failed coup, rumored coups, COVID handling and misinformation campaign. Trade war with little consideration for hits taken back home. Morally questionable, but paraded by moralists as a messiah. More divisive politics. Take comfort in that he could have been worse, I guess.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Also curious about people opinion of Trump.. most of the ppl back in the days were pro Bush, Pro war etc..
I think most of the pro-war guys back in the day weren't pro forever-war. I thought it was reasonable to hunt down Al Qaeda actors. Less so occupying Iraq/Afghanistan for like two decades. We could have also stood to use less DU in civilian communities.
IIRC, my opinions began to sour during Bush's second term, and liberalize during Obama's first.
This is mod abuse. Did you learn nothing from the last thread?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You're a big fucking Moran is what you are. Birds of a feather.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
I'm a big Trump guy.. Didnt care much for him before he ran in 2016 but after listening to him during the campaign and seeing that he kept all his promises, i was sold. (yea i know.. Mexico didnt pay for the wall)unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Rating generally not good on BF2S. The man is all bellicose and bluster. Negative reviews of the Jan 6 failed coup, rumored coups, COVID handling and misinformation campaign. Trade war with little consideration for hits taken back home. Morally questionable, but paraded by moralists as a messiah. More divisive politics. Take comfort in that he could have been worse, I guess.
I think most of the pro-war guys back in the day weren't pro forever-war. I thought it was reasonable to hunt down Al Qaeda actors. Less so occupying Iraq/Afghanistan for like two decades. We could have also stood to use less DU in civilian communities.
IIRC, my opinions began to sour during Bush's second term, and liberalize during Obama's first.
The email still ends with an 88. Could be two sideways infinity symbols, though. We don't know.DesertFox- wrote:
I don't remember this guy at all. Vaguely recall the Auschwitz 1488 reference, but that's it.
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Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia to Germany. Biden removed Trump era sanctions against the pipeline operator.Larssen wrote:
Getting along with NK and Russia
He got along with NK until he didn't get along with NK. He got along with Russia to the detriment of his actual allies in Europe and to the detriment of his own national security interests. Russia is not out to be best buds with the USA and you fuckers just won't understand that; it's purely Putin's self-interest that Trump satisfied.
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Please don't .. pleaseuziq wrote:
anyway. to continue discussing trump 'making america great again':
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … reddit.com
trump was going to ditch the south korean alliance.
trump was going to withdraw the US from NATO.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … illey-book
top US general warned of 'reichstag moment'. so he really revived the military -- and turned senior generals against him.
amazing stuff. the trump following is a cult.
The wall is still there. Biden could not and did not remove the wall. Yet it seems that despite the existing wall, immigrants are still perfectly able to enter the country illegaly if they wish. So either it's effective or it isn't, and it really isn't. It was largely unfinished, didn't at all cover the entire border, some parts were flimsier than others, there are MANY ways to get around it. Women didn't generally travel with children across the desert even in the times when there barely were any walls, because it's dangerous. Families usually enter via smuggling, and smuggling still happens in all sorts of ways.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Lol everybody calm down
The cages were there when Obama was president.. the wall is a detterent for the caravans.. yes you can dig under it or climb a 30 foot ladder but the average mother with her 5 children will not risk traveling 500 miles to hit her nose on a 30 foot wall.. And the remain in Mexico policy added to the fact that illegals crossing were WAY down at this time last year.. Biden reverted all of that and now people are flowing in.. This is not a debate of yes or no you want the people to come in, it is just that Trump policies were way better at stopping illegal immigration.
You talk about the farmers.. don't you think its strange that your farmers are depending on trade with a hostile Nation to survive? As soon as Trump put tarifs on CHina, they retaliate against the farmers.. this is something that need to be looked at ASAP.. it is your national security.
And yeah bad move when he killed Suleimani i agree.. And i was ok with the nuke deal with Iran but well.. nobody's perfect.
Yall freak out about the Ausch88 thing.. it was a damn gaming tag i had 15 years ago.. The mods back then banned it and were ok with AutralianChainsaw.. see the thread posted by SuperJail Warden.. i did not break any rules..
But the mods were different back then, now they already call me names ..so i guess i won't last long
I'm only back for one day and you all call me nazi and freak out about a gaming tag.. you guys are way too sensitive
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I feel hurt by your use of "they." I think I've been fairly straightforward, answering your Trump question honestly. Did I call you any names? I think your beef is with KJ.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
But the mods were different back then, now they already call me names ..so i guess i won't last long
I'm only back for one day and you all call me nazi and freak out about a gaming tag.. you guys are way too sensitive
Yes i know, i was not talking about you sorry about that.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
I feel hurt by your use of "they." I think I've been fairly straightforward, answering your Trump question honestly. Did I call you any names? I think your beef is with KJ.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
But the mods were different back then, now they already call me names ..so i guess i won't last long
I'm only back for one day and you all call me nazi and freak out about a gaming tag.. you guys are way too sensitive
I think people would care less about all of your Nazi stuff if you just up fronted about all of that and the Jews thing, without attempting to play it off as chainsaws or hockey or whatever? People can change. There's stories on MSM about a black guy who went around reforming KKK members.
SJW/Macbeth used to target the neighborhood dogs. He's now an animal lover with a nice MTG collection, teaches needy children, and works at a soup kitchen.
Biden halted construction of the wall as soon as he came in.. cancel portions that were already paid for and you have steel barriers laying around rotting in the sun.Larssen wrote:
The wall is still there. Biden could not and did not remove the wall. Yet it seems that despite the existing wall, immigrants are still perfectly able to enter the country illegaly if they wish. So either it's effective or it isn't, and it really isn't. It was largely unfinished, didn't at all cover the entire border, some parts were flimsier than others, there are MANY ways to get around it. Women didn't generally travel with children across the desert even in the times when there barely were any walls, because it's dangerous. Families usually enter via smuggling, and smuggling still happens in all sorts of ways.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Lol everybody calm down
The cages were there when Obama was president.. the wall is a detterent for the caravans.. yes you can dig under it or climb a 30 foot ladder but the average mother with her 5 children will not risk traveling 500 miles to hit her nose on a 30 foot wall.. And the remain in Mexico policy added to the fact that illegals crossing were WAY down at this time last year.. Biden reverted all of that and now people are flowing in.. This is not a debate of yes or no you want the people to come in, it is just that Trump policies were way better at stopping illegal immigration.
You talk about the farmers.. don't you think its strange that your farmers are depending on trade with a hostile Nation to survive? As soon as Trump put tarifs on CHina, they retaliate against the farmers.. this is something that need to be looked at ASAP.. it is your national security.
And yeah bad move when he killed Suleimani i agree.. And i was ok with the nuke deal with Iran but well.. nobody's perfect.
Yall freak out about the Ausch88 thing.. it was a damn gaming tag i had 15 years ago.. The mods back then banned it and were ok with AutralianChainsaw.. see the thread posted by SuperJail Warden.. i did not break any rules..
But the mods were different back then, now they already call me names ..so i guess i won't last long
I'm only back for one day and you all call me nazi and freak out about a gaming tag.. you guys are way too sensitive
There was barely any point to building it. Billions sunk in a project of disputed value, with many drawbacks, and while we live in a 21st century in which there are many better and more cost-effective ways to conduct border policing. Why one would then opt for a medieval construct is beyond me. It would have seen limited use in certain specific (densely populated) parts, but it's largely just pointless. And the border is too big to wall off in its entirety anyway - as proven by the fact that it doesn't. cover. the. whole. border. Not even close.
Look, I can agree to an extent that enforcement should be utilised to shut down illegal immigration streams, and that legal immigration should be an ensured and secure path. But there are better ways, and less xenophobic ways, that don't depend on enemy-centric dialogue.
It's important to recognise that Trump's shtick wasn't about dealing with illegal immigration per se, it was about the us-them narrative. A story in which south americans and especially mexicans were depicted as 'rapists, murderers, drug dealers, (and some may be good people)' - which he literally said - and as part of some supposed conspiracy of south americans against the US. 'They're not sending their best' as one of his slogans for example, implying some conspiratorial organised effort to dislodge the USA by way of evil foreign immigration. The wall then was always more about the people hiding behind it than about those on the other end of the border. It was about projecting an image of strength, security and power, against outside aggression, and what better symbol to serve that purpose than a literal wall.
Whether it's effective or not, who cares, but he can stand there and use it to posture about maintaining some sort of purity in US society. It's also BS that it's all or only about illegal immigration. Most people when they get down to it seem to simply have an issue with those of other cultural backgrounds or ethnicities 'tainting' their direct surroundings whether these people are legal immigrants or not. They all like to focus on illegals because it makes the discussion more palatable, but really the underlying message is often 'there's too many of X, they're different, and I want them gone'. It's ultimately about us vs them.
