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You are lower middle class but you voted for kelly Loeffler because Blue Lives Matter.

it is actually a changing trend in politics in general, and has been noted by left and right theorists. the hoary old marxian ‘economic base’ dividing everyone into tectonic class relations is not as relevant now as it was in former periods (i.e. fordist or taylorite economies).

lots of people now act and vote politically based on cultural issues or identification. one of the most salient divides in modern britain, for example w/r/t brexit, is between university and non-university education. well that doesn’t really translate into neat economic strata anymore: the non-u tradespeople are making a helluva lot more money and probably own their own homes, whereas the formerly ‘bourgeois’ university grads might not. et cetera.

i know ‘cultural capital’ and more forms of wealth than economic, yada yada, but that in-itself is a post-marxian bit of french sociology and still presupposes pretty rigid class hierarchies. people no longer behave quite so much in the interests of these broad economic classes; solidarity and class consciousness is very outmoded.

you could probably argue that modern media/technology has contributed to this new atomisation. people construct their identities on tumblr rather than through their domestic or workplace ‘habitus’.

a bit of a tautological argument here. i just made the entire point that interest, whether self or collective, is moving away from considerations of economic class and into groupuscules and 'identities'.

being speculative again, one could probably say that 40-years of neoliberal orthodoxy, trickle-down (up) economics, and the general stagnation of wages and living conditions has brought all of those big brow-beating economic causes to an impasse. the answer to the 2008 financial crisis, a genuine opportunity for structural change, as per the fed and EU, turned out to just be more neolib high-finance chicanery.

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For what it is worth I don't think expect a lot of our most debated social issues to be in any way improved if we reorganized our economic system in the way Bernie wants. Homophobes, racist, generally low IQ people would still be themselves but with a little bit of more money. Actually it might make them worse.

SuperJail Warden wrote:

For what it is worth I don't think expect a lot of our most debated social issues to be in any way improved if we reorganized our economic system in the way Bernie wants. Homophobes, racist, generally low IQ people would still be themselves but with a little bit of more money. Actually it might make them worse.

i think there are roughly two issues interwoven into one here.

the first is the general argument for economic equality being good for the health and comity of a society generally. there's oodles of research on this stuff to back up the thesis that inequality is very bad for societal stability and peace.

the second, and the stuff that cultural conservatives focus on, the 'culture wars' stuff, is part of a general trend in western demographics, in my opinion. we have falling birthrates and make up for most of our population/economic growth using migrants from our neighbours or the global south. it's a sort of managed decline and everyone spends their time getting angry about the skin colour, language or religion of the new imported migrant worker underclass, but doesn't reckon with the wider economic or demographic picture. similarly, people seem to care an exorbitant amount about the sex lives or transgenderism of 5% or 0.3% of the population or whatever, like that's a threat.

our societies are ageing and not producing kids. the reasons for which, refer to point 1. the elderly and the rich hold all of the wealth and assets and rely on those property and asset bubbles to prop themselves up.

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SuperJail Warden wrote:

For what it is worth I don't think expect a lot of our most debated social issues to be in any way improved if we reorganized our economic system in the way Bernie wants. Homophobes, racist, generally low IQ people would still be themselves but with a little bit of more money. Actually it might make them worse.

I think economic divides impact cultural divides more than you give credit. It's no secret that current American discourse is a battle between rural vs. urban voters, and rural living has more than a casual relationship with economic status.

Regarding the old...it blows my mind that our current president is 78 years old. For reference, Franklin R. died at 63 in '45. Can you imagine Roosevelt running for office a 10th time in 1960 and winning?

SuperJail Warden wrote:

uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

For what it is worth I don't think expect a lot of our most debated social issues to be in any way improved if we reorganized our economic system in the way Bernie wants. Homophobes, racist, generally low IQ people would still be themselves but with a little bit of more money. Actually it might make them worse.

i think there are roughly two issues interwoven into one here.

the first is the general argument for economic equality being good for the health and comity of a society generally. there's oodles of research on this stuff to back up the thesis that inequality is very bad for societal stability and peace.

the second, and the stuff that cultural conservatives focus on, the 'culture wars' stuff, is part of a general trend in western demographics, in my opinion. we have falling birthrates and make up for most of our population/economic growth using migrants from our neighbours or the global south. it's a sort of managed decline and everyone spends their time getting angry about the skin colour, language or religion of the new imported migrant worker underclass, but doesn't reckon with the wider economic or demographic picture. similarly, people seem to care an exorbitant amount about the sex lives or transgenderism of 5% or 0.3% of the population or whatever, like that's a threat.

our societies are ageing and not producing kids. the reasons for which, refer to point 1. the elderly and the rich hold all of the wealth and assets and rely on those property and asset bubbles to prop themselves up.

Obviously vast inequality isn't good for the body politic of the country. But I will point out that America's worst civil rights abuses against its own citizens took place during periods of economic growth and our overall geopolitical ascension. A great economy might make people more defensive of the status quo than they are now.

i think we can do better than robber-barons and gilded ages for the beau monde.

According to the survey, 15.9 percent of Generation Z identifies as LGBT, followed by 9.1 percent of millennials (those born 1981-1996), 3.8 percent of Generation X (born 1965-1980), two percent of baby boomers (born 1946-1964), and 1.3 percent of traditionalists (born before 1946). Nearly three-quarters of Generation Zers who consider themselves LGBT identify as bisexual, specifically.

Gen Z is probably the most hedonistic generation. They are all pan sexuals who grew up in the age of legal marijuana and HD streaming pornography.

A Colorado baker who won a case before the Supreme Court in 2018 over his refusal to make a custom wedding cake for a same-sex couple is facing a new lawsuit after declining to make a birthday cake that celebrated a transgender woman’s transition.

Autumn Scardina tried to order a cake that was blue on the outside and pink on the inside in honor of her gender transition from Masterpiece Cakeshop on the same day in 2017 that the Supreme Court announced it would hear baker Jack Phillips’ appeal in the wedding cake case.

Scardina said during a virtual trial on Monday that she attempted to order the birthday cake as a test to see whether Phillips would make good on his assertions that he would sell any other type of product, but opposed making a gay couple’s wedding cake because, as a Christian, he was opposed to the religious ceremony involved, according to CBS Denver.

I really hate that this guy is now going to get anti-gay donations sent his way because he won't bake some cakes.

No no you don't understand, she is going to prove the baker to be a liar. It's very important!

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

No no you don't understand, she is going to prove the baker to be a liar. It's very important!

The important thing is people aren't going to be getting their cakes.

I'm sure everyone is tired of people making stupid points like this.

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