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Highly inflated numbers 3 of the would have likely died anyway with underlying health conditions

The bitch who got shot was trying to climb through a window towards where congress was being evacuated. There is a better video of what her dummy self was doing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout … _was_shot/

I only saw that one was shot the other 3 had medical emergencies.

Larssen wrote:

I suppose they're already martyred on places like OAN. Like I said let's see what january 20th will bring.

It's a certainty that security will be heightened between now and the inauguration, but protesters might also consider bringing guns this time around, seeing as four of them were shot. You can also rightfully ask questions on how/why they were shot; the woman who bled to death from a neckwound didn't quite strike me as exorbitantly violent.

i.e. why were they unprepared, and why, again, was their force escalation so extreme? It's like there's nothing between stern talking to and opening fire. Also train your riot police ffs. Look at any European country; wall of shields, batons, few horses, if absolutely necessary a water cannon and tear gas. In the US all I see is people in riot police uniforms with shotguns.

how exactly do you use a water cannon inside a building? the situation had already escalated far out of control and, for all the guards knew, there were multiple people in the building with weapons, trying to find extremely high-value targets. they already used tear gas throughout the building and on the terrace outside.

there are plenty of photos online of members of the crowd walking around with plastic hand-ties. a cache of molotov cocktails was found on the premises of the capitol building. it was a potentially very dangerous and very ugly situation and people were trying to break through a door into a still-evacuating chamber. of course she got shot. many men had their guns trained on the place where she was trying to climb through, warning about the exact danger of being shot.

i honestly find it mystifying the lengths you will go to to try and exculpate these people.

the woman in question had also been posting 'here comes the revolution!' stuff on her twitter for months. as well as pizzagate/qanon stuff and other conspiracy-minded stuff. her intentions being there were not exactly innocent. she was there to storm the capitol building. she got shot. this is the point where you make a principled stand about excessive police violence? that is, if it wasn't the VP's secret service who shot her dumb ass. this is what offends you? what about all the black people who get shot by police for looking at them funny during a traffic stop?

Last edited by uziq (2021-01-07 07:39:36)

I do make a point about police unpreparedness and resulting excessive violence yes. How many gilet jaunes have been shot and killed by police? Zero. Why can every other civilised country pre-empt this sort of stuff and act accordingly, but in the US shit spirals out of control even in one of the most important political locales of all places? It's a fucking embarrasment.

I'm looking at this more rationally, you're foaming at the mouth at the idea of denouncement. What the fuck sort of good will that do? Get your head straight and understand that the solutions in this are not to be found in 'strong' political statements and twitter messages.

I also find it bizarre you can home in on police incompetence in civil rights protests but here all eyes are only on the mentally handicapped in the Trump cult.

Last edited by Larssen (2021-01-07 07:57:01)

Well at least they're not getting murdered right? Because local crisis management is swift and prepared, and it would take a damn army to get inside the assemblée nationale. That over the course of months people got hurt and that french police too can be violent; yes. But let's not compare beating by baton to police regularly shooting people in the head.

Larssen wrote:

Well at least they're not getting murdered right? Because local crisis management is swift and prepared, and it would take a damn army to get inside the assemblée nationale.

The president controls the national mall. He deliberately understaffed security and then refused to send in the national guard. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff had to get permission from the vice president and congress to send in the national guard which they technically don't have the authority to give at all.

Any national assembly could be overtaken if the leader of the country, the person most responsible for security, acts to make it happen.

Considering no one in congress was hurt, the police did an okay job regaining control of the place. But can you imagine if the mob had gotten their hands on AOC, Nancy P. or anyone else they consider "Satanic Pedophiles"? Do you think they would have just given them a list of their disapprovals and sent them on their way?

uziq wrote:

lol the president incited a fascist angry mob to storm the senate and larssen's take is that the police are brutal and those poor white people were treated really badly.

You're such a dim individual at times. Ignoring the fact that you'll brand as enemy anyone who doesn't exactly agree with your take, look at this practically: here you have an excellent opportunity for cross party support over the issue of police incompetence. Well now don't let that go to waste.

If the president himself is directly responsible for security of the most important political premises and caused this, that is a different issue altogether and something I really don't understand. Anywhere else it would be local mayors, civil servants, or even national guard etc.

Why not both?

I do think crisis preparedness needs to be seriously reconsidered. What fucking planet are you on for ignoring that? You'd make a wonderfully incompetent leader yourself, I imagine a strongly worded letter is all you'd come up with.

We should come together with Trump supporters and condemn the police and also hear out their opinions on checks notes Satanic child eating pedophiles and their role in promoting checks notes again the extermination of the white race.

If you can't bring yourself to question how and why things escalated as they did and instead keep focusing on your enemy driven narrative, good luck to ya. I did not at any point somehow  absolve or deflect from the fact that those who stormed the capitol were incredibly wrong headed, or that Trump is a hate inciting asswipe. But really, only now, at the end of his term, you want to use this immediate moment to grandstand on the line of 'unacceptable behaviour'? That line had already been crossed a thousand times and yesterday was only the culmination of years of gross negligence, willful political manipulation and ignorance of structural faults in politics, the bureaucracy and society at large.

You can go and demand the republican party distances itself from Trump, or that it caves in on itself whatever. But perhaps more importantly analyse and address the issues that led to this, of which the lacklustre security on the day itself is certainly one. Of which the powers of the presidency and his administration over the country are another. Of which the (social) media landscape and its non existant regulation is a third. I can go on.

But no sure let's come together to condemn first, foremost and only the baboon-esque congregation and the specific variants of insanity within its ideological mixture. And anyone who instead prefers to emphasise other issues as more important must be an apologist, fascist-loving, white supremacist! Yet again our image of the enemy is more important than all of the more concrete, systemic causes for the situation at hand that policy can address. No, let's push to rage over right wing extremism only - surely that is enough.