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Indonesian women are just like Filipino women but Muslim. Muslim girls from the Middle East are all prudish with the exception of the Christians from Lebanon and the Coptic ones.uziq wrote:
makes about as much sense as saying south americans aren't like other christians.
i suggest you read some indonesian history. there's plenty of it in the 20th century.
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You didn't answer my question about bestiality. Is it okay for a man to identify as a goose and have sex with one?uziq wrote:
hermaphroditism was a practice/cult in ancient greece. the fact is the ancient world is full of examples of people skipping merrily over the two-genders line. they recognised the fluidity and performativity of gender. the roman elite loved to cross-dress and dress up in women's make-up, especially during performances and festivals. the ancient greeks practiced homosexuality, worshipped same-sex beauty and love, and held up androgyny (see, for example, alcibiades). that is in both a mythical-religious-cultic sense and in an ordinary sexual-erotic way.
the fact is a neat distinction between genders or sexuality didn't exist then. some of the senior roman poets and legislators, to come later in the republic, actively tried to decry against it as decadent -- but they could only make those arguments in the same way that you and dilbert can now. because it's self-evidently A Thing and had been practiced for hundreds, if not thousands, of years before that point.
you did two degrees in history and you can't tell the difference between mythical allegory involving gods and human beings? my point about hermaphroditism is that clearly ideas about people having bi- or interchangeable genders has been around for as long as western civilisation itself. you seemed to think the ancient time was clear of any trace of it. the idea is well-established. the myth is just one expression of it. i never claimed that the ancients went around imitating the behaviour of their pantheon. that was reserved for mad people like caligula.SuperJail Warden wrote:
You didn't answer my question about bestiality. Is it okay for a man to identify as a goose and have sex with one?uziq wrote:
hermaphroditism was a practice/cult in ancient greece. the fact is the ancient world is full of examples of people skipping merrily over the two-genders line. they recognised the fluidity and performativity of gender. the roman elite loved to cross-dress and dress up in women's make-up, especially during performances and festivals. the ancient greeks practiced homosexuality, worshipped same-sex beauty and love, and held up androgyny (see, for example, alcibiades). that is in both a mythical-religious-cultic sense and in an ordinary sexual-erotic way.
the fact is a neat distinction between genders or sexuality didn't exist then. some of the senior roman poets and legislators, to come later in the republic, actively tried to decry against it as decadent -- but they could only make those arguments in the same way that you and dilbert can now. because it's self-evidently A Thing and had been practiced for hundreds, if not thousands, of years before that point.
Barely a few years ago 'legal and political philosophy' did decree that homosexuality was wrong and socially corrosive.uziq wrote:
by our current legal and political philosophy, it does no harm to society or other individuals. for cases where the relationships involve adults and children, we have laws for that and, like all laws, they apply equally to all citizens. very simple.
Your arguments about muslims make no sense at all, they weren't really observant muslims if they were partying with you were they?uziq wrote:
we've had this conversation so many times before.
e: i'm gonna redact the casanova stuff. but yes.
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do you think every muslim in indonesia or pakistan is 'observant'? is every christian in america or italy 'observant'?Dilbert_X wrote:
Your arguments about muslims make no sense at all, they weren't really observant muslims if they were partying with you were they?uziq wrote:
we've had this conversation so many times before.
e: i'm gonna redact the casanova stuff. but yes.
"I met a nice jewish girl, she was fine with eating pork, sucking gentile dick and cosplaying as a nazi - seems jews are cool after all"
The point is across the world middle of the road conservative leaders see identity politics of all kinds being socially corrosive and leading to more intolerance instead of less.
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