BF2S Forums Middle-Aged White Americans Are Dying in Greater Numbers

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

DesertFox- wrote:

Way to cherry-pick a bunch of people well-known for their drug use (and PSH, but I don't know much about his personal life) and sprinkle in the "weak people" phrase that no one but you has said. Oxycontin wasn't released until 1996, with an aggressive marketing campaign and certain outright lies. It's not surprising the current crisis affects more vastly more average people than those you've picked.

also dilderp, heroin was glamorous in rock music. it was part of those social circles from the velvet underground on (and it was the drug of choice in hip-cool jazz circles for plenty of time before that). of course if you're a rockstar, heroin is going to be around you, heroin addicts and heroin pushers too. you are eliding fucking rock stars with average weekend drug-taking edwards. i think rockstars, writers, poets, etc., getting addicted to heroin is like a self-perpetuating little sideshow. that's a very weird subcultural 'glamour' that your suburban kid experimenting with molly is never going to get.

I'm sure those people had a complete smorgasbord of drugs to choose from, money was no object, and yet they gravitated to heroin.
It would be interesting to know why, I doubt there was any 'glamour' to it for them, there's no a whole lot of glamour in boiling up your own blood and reinjecting it into yourself., it was their use which lent glamour to it.

because you only have to dabble in heroin a few times and you're caught. you do realise that some recreational drugs are far more addictive and have far higher abuse potential than others, right? it doesn't surprise me that rockstars, actors, celebs etc. dabble with just about every drug possible: but they gravitate and centre around drugs like heroin because that's not something you can use recreationally and maintain control over. my point is people take those drugs for the first few (voluntary) times because they are duped by the whole heroin-addict/doomed-poet heroin glamour ('heroin chic' is a fucking genre in fashion for god's sake; it's a thing).

my basic point still stands that your average thrill-seeking, partying recreational drug user is not going to make the lightyears-leap from MDMA at a rave to heroin addiction because of 'boredom'. it is not the same sociocultural cachet at all. and taking uppers and fun party drugs does not make you mentally disposed to try the biggest downer drugs. they have intrinsically different appeals. nobody gets bored of snorting cocaine in cocktail bar toilets with their business pals and then picks up heroin, just 'cuz.

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A controversial psychology professor and self-help author who has spent much of his career railing against political correctness is recovering from an addiction to tranquilizers, his daughter said.

Jordan Peterson, 57, emerged last week from an intensive care unit in a Russian hospital after being treated for a dependence on benzodiazepine, an anti-anxiety medication.

Peterson sought alternative treatments in Russia after being repeatedly misdiagnosed in North American hospitals, including a clinic in New York, Mikhaila Peterson said in a video script she shared with Canada’s National Post newspaper.

“He nearly died several times,” the daughter said, adding her father had been taking the drug for years to treat anxiety brought on by a severe autoimmune reaction to food. Doctors increased his dosage last year to help him cope with stress after his wife, Tammy, was diagnosed with cancer.

The daughter and her husband took Peterson, a professor at the University of Toronto who has long battled depression, to Moscow last month; he was diagnosed with pneumonia and put into an induced coma for eight days, according to the National Post. She described her father’s withdrawal as “horrific.”

In the past, Peterson said he was able to beat back depression with the meat-heavy diet his daughter encouraged him to adopt. Cutting out greens altogether improved both his mental and physical health, he said in a 2018 interview.

“The Twelve Rules of Life” author has been released from the hospital and is taking anti-seizure medication, his daughter said. Although he has trouble walking and typing on his own, he is “on the mend,” she said.

Wow, amazing. He Steve Job'd his health.

This brings me back to a point I have made several times: just smoke weed like a normal person.

wasn't Jung big on projection? makes u think

now show slavoj zizek stuffing his face

oh im more or less a fan of zizek. He can be circumlocutious and even contradictory in his criticisms, but I totally respect his commitment and critiques of both capitalism and marxism. I just find it funny that the two heavyweight internet polemics are a slobby charlatan and a slobby intellectual.

i am not really a fan of zizek, although reading him for the first time is always an ... experience ... it's just a shame that the three books a year he has done since the mid-90s are all rehashes of the same thing. a good example of a thinker/academic who did their 'best work' and can't quite get past it. i suppose someone had to synthesize hegelianism with lacan sooner or later. i've read 3-4 of his books and consider that stitch well and truly mended at this point.

his two films on film are very funny, though. he has a good public persona in the same way that will self or michel houellebecq have a good public persona. i'm not sure the public intellectual/cynic really exists in the same way in america. you're all just too damn optimistic, even when you're being neggy in the pages of the new yorker or whatever.



zizek has never had a drug addiction, by the way. he has a nervous tic. it's such a reddit fratbro comment to see someone touching their nose and be like 'loool he's on coke bro!' no people on cocaine do not touch their nose constantly.

if you can't watch a 5 minute video clip with zero theory, i doubt you'll make it through a 600-page book of hegelian and lacanian theory.

there ya go

Ah I saved this awhile ago and just found it while looking for something else. Very relevant.

From what I understand there seems to be a depression among the working class English speakers of the world that is leading them to off themselves. Are the French or Germans also killing themselves? Maybe I will do a research.

I think media has a large part to do with it. More precisely the media of Rupert Murdoch. Spreading right wing fake news and doom and gloom on three continents. What is the top story on https://www.foxnews.com/us   ?

Dead child found.

white men are losing their grip on power. the 1950s and 1960s world, of men effortlessly sailing through a career, whether that be white-collar or secure life-long blue-collar, retiring on a nice pension with everything tucked in by the state, and of having a subservient wife with no ambitions of her own and kids who don't answer back and discipline well, is well and truly over.

of course, dilbert feels sorry for those who are aimless and without purpose in life. you have incels in their 20s who 'can't cope' with a bigger, wider world full of increased competition and reduced opportunities, which has been the global norm for most of the planet for the last few centuries; and you have men in their 40s and 50s, drinking to oblivion, divorced or childless, who just didn't come through, despite having every material privilege and freedom to start and provide for a family, more so than in the middle class of most other nations of the world, anyway.

but if a family paddles across hundreds of kilometres of stormy and shark-infested waters, to escape war and rape by a junta or majority regime, just in the hope of working an honest living and prospering in freedom and security ... dilbert doesn't shed a tear. it's white males we must feel sorry for, a doomed species predated upon by butch lesbian kindergarten teachers.

sad!

the media has always been negative and sensationalist. it has a commercial prerogative to shift copies. they weren't really more decorous in the 1800s, still as full of gossip, prurient detail and the morbid/macabre. they are timeless draws, since before even industrialised print. the problem of white people finding themselves having to compete on a globalised playing field, is that they've been effectively cannibalizing and selling off the white family jewels for the last 30 years. all the forms of social association, be they community-based, labour/union-based, craft or artisan-based, have been systematically privatized, sold off, scotched and abandoned in the great orgy of 'there is no such thing as society' consumerism. fast forward a few decades of short-term boom and everyone is without a sense of community, staring at scare-story news content on their luminous gadgets that they bought on credit. of course, said news content and said tech is where the real wealth and social energy of the society have been funneled upwards and deposited: with the few billionaires in the 1% who own it all.

ironically what is happening to white middle america now is analogous to what happened to the native americans over the span of several generations. they lost their purpose, their spiritual being, they had nowhere to go and nothing to achieve, so they drank themselves to death on reservations. they find themselves with no stake in anything (certainly not the tiger economy of china), the great dynamo of history has switched locations, gone elsewhere, leaving them in a dark and unlit place of the world. of course white america looked on and tutted at the indian's indigence, or otherwise said 'what a shame!' but, if dilbert is anything to go by, the white capacity for self-pity is very great.

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who was talking about literature or arts in the above? where did i appeal to culture to save the white race? i was thinking more of british legions and YMCAs as places where poor little white boys would go before, to congregate and socialise and be in touch with their community elders, or the boxing gyms and public parks to exercise in, to keep them away from the oxycontin or noose.

and i'm 30. nobody in my friend group has started a family yet -- not many graduates with graduate careers do start families in their 20s. this is nothing new or alarming. you can worry about me when i'm your age. do you have a 'birth rate' chart in your study where you fret over the fertility of white russia etc?

hasn't trump slashed, or is going to, slash medicaid down to nothing in order to offset the deficit incurred by huge tax-cuts for corporations?

that sounds incredibly socially productive. there's a left 'populist' and there's a right 'populist'. funnily enough the right-wing version does nothing for the majority of people.

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