BF2S Forums Official Beer Thread

MDMA, and other drugs, being more or less harmful than alcohol still isn't an argument, if alcohol were invented today it would be illegal tomorrow.

Clinical use still isn't an argument for recreational use either. Trepanning can be useful and therapeutic in a controlled environment, its not really recommended for people to drill holes in their heads at parties however good they think it makes them feel or because 'everyones doing it maaan'.

I read somewhere that meth is a particularity bad drug since it can cause worse brain damage than other drugs by messing with dopamine receptors in the brain. Basically the meth causes your brain to release too much in a short time and it damages everything up there. You can't function without smoking meth. Marijuana while not great for the brain either doesn't have that issue. Cocaine and crack I guess have the same brain damage issue that meth has? You always hear stories about how "I was a great lawyer until I discovered cocaine/meth/crack." You never hear about someone blowing their career because they liked smoking pot too much. Pot probably makes me a better worker. I never smoke before work obviously but the bad days at work are a lot more tolerable when I know I have a joint waiting at home. Pot also don't give you hangovers like alcohol which is probably why you hear so many stories of alcoholics who can't hold onto their jobs.

From what I read it seemed that meth causes a huge dopamine rush that overloads the receptors and depletes the amount you have. You will then need more meth to reach the same high further damaging the part of your brain that you damaged to get high in the first place. And since your body needs dopamine for other things it being depleted is a big problem in your day to day functions. Like day to day activities become difficult if you don't have your morning meth hit.

After seeing the opiate epidemic's effect on the U.S. and people I know, I have become somewhat embarrassed of the view I had when I was 20 and thought we should legalize all drugs. Some drugs like meth and opiates are particularly dangerous and society should be protected from them. That doesn't justify all the craziness of the drug war though.

I don't have a drug addiction. I haven't smoke pot since April I think. So I don't need it in my life. I don't drink too much since going out to drink is too expensive and drinking at home just leads to headaches and hangovers later. Every time I do get three or four drinks in I get an intense urge to hit a bong though. I have never hit a bong and thought I needed a beer to cool my throat. I think it is clear what my drug of choice is and I am okay with what I landed on.

uziq wrote:

trepanning has no useful health benefits whatsoever.

DOOOOOOD! People have been doing trepanning for like THOUSANDS OF YEARS and across MULTIPLE CULTURES, its really good for you and like TOTALLY SAFE!

You should chill the fuck out and give it a try. Get your housemate who's read books and stuff to do it for you.
It'll totally change your outlook on life.

also what is it with people like you thinking that people take drugs because it's 'follow the leader like lemmings' behaviour?

has it ever occurred to you that the only reason people accustom themselves to imbibing poisonous alcohol is because of social peer pressure and 'acceptability'.

do you really think that people the world over only take LSD and MDMA because they 'want to fit in' and match their cool friends?

like, seriously, how fucking moronic are you?

feilding is a crank. she also funds lots of psychedelic research. but she is an acknowledged crank, an old eccentric aristocrat and far outside of the mainstream. it's funny that you talk about 'bad science' and 'bad stats' but then cite someone who literally drilled a hole in her own head. very objective research.

real research with real measurable results is being done on psychedelics. they are psychoactive and have understood mechanisms. boring a hole in your skull, not so much. not a lot of brain chemistry or neurology involved in exposing the dura mater to rain and wind, dilbert.

there are NO benefits to drilling a hole in someone's head. this is literally primitive ritual, not medicine. the only time a neurosurgeon will ever drill into someone's head is to, you know, perform brain surgery or alleviate intra-cranial pressure in the case of stroke/brain bleed/closed head trauma. no one feels better for having a hole in their skull. even then it is unadvised because a) irreversible without further surgery and b) a prime site for infection. are you literally serious?

from the article: 'having a hole in your head expands your consciousness'. F F S

are you going to start talking about third eyes and pineal glands next? maybe start vouching for the benefits of conscious lobotomies?

Last edited by uziq (2019-08-21 03:52:11)

this is on a par with your 'human beings have adapted in the course of evolution to consuming alcohol' (they haven't: it's as poisonous as it ever was) and 'asians come before whites come before indians come before blacks' racial hierarchies (1895 called and wants their victorian eugenics back).

i'm happy to put chemicals into my brain because, you know, chemicals have an effect. sometimes desirable, sometimes with lasting benefits. we understand the pharmacological mechanism of drugs. that's how, you know, people do research into them, and prescribe them as medicine. drilling through bone to expose your brain to the elements does nothing for your brain's functioning, unfortunately. that's because it's quite happy inside its little protective shell. do you really believe the brain will 'develop' more if given a 5 mm hole to 'expand' through? do you really think consciousness is equivalent to the size of your brain, or its available room to grow and expand? F F S. you do know phrenology is bad science, right? bigger skulls don't make more evolved human beings. giving your third eye room to 'pulsate' doesn't lead to enlightenment. though it might lead to meningitis, if that's your thing.

'people have theorised'. yeah, trepanation was practiced ritually by people in the bronze age, before tested and measurable science. 'theorised' is perhaps not the right word.

trepenation's 'benefits' are of the order of homeopathy and acupuncture. great if it works for you, but there's no objectively observable mechanism at work.

surely a scientist like yourself is familiar with this site?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Trepanation

i'm not sure what an 'experimental chemical' is but if you're suggesting that psilocybin, for example, which has been used for as long as trepanation in human pre-history, is somehow 'experimental' and novel, or some new synthetic compound cooked up by dodgy men in back rooms, then i think you should read a few more journals. you make out like anyone who takes an illegal drug is taking some new, unstable, as-yet-untried chemical and making themselves a lab rat. an odd view, to say the least. drug testing kits are cheap and widely available.

have fun flying to ecuador for third-world surgery. that sounds quite 'experimental' to me. i wonder why it's not available on the NHS?

Last edited by uziq (2019-08-21 04:26:30)

Back on topic,

DesertFox- from a month ago wrote:

Beer.

Go back to talking about MDMA and phrenology or whatever you were up to.

And just like that, the good Lord provided.

Drug users and dealers are criminals, what does this have to do with beer?

Its a lot easier to get hold of children too, before people had to hang around outside schools and pull them into a van and they didn't know what they were getting, now there are websites and photos, they're STD tested etc, you send them your bitcoins and they put them on a plane to your door and you can keep them on an island to share with your friends, the Police just can't keep up.

Crime is crime, the efficiency of the criminals doesn't make it right.