BF2S Forums Smoking in public, a right or a controlled priviledge?

nobody reserves public air.  but smoking in line is just rude.  same way I look at people that talk way too loud in enclosed areas.  its just something i gotta put up with until im at my next destination

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2006-05-28 17:43:14)

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

nobody reserves public air.  but smoking in line is just rude.  same way I look at people that talk way too loud in enclosed areas.  its just something i gotta put up with until im at my next destination

I know what you are saying.....But if it is public air, then it isn't theirs to polute right??...especially around infants and small children.

Now please understand, I am referring to when everyone is a captive audiance, like amusement park lines and resturaunts or sitting in a waiting area.

Last edited by lowing (2006-05-28 17:48:32)

I would have shouted for smokers when I was one, but now that I haven't smoked for 11 years its really repulsive, at the same time I wouldn't deny a smoker his fix, just not in my face.
I feel like a reformed whore but the stuff is gross , my aunt died of cancer, it does not mess around.
If they took it out of the casinos I'd be willing to let them smoke everywhere else, if the place is small though common courtesy should be exercised.
It's like with everything if you consider everyone else first you usually wont have any problems avoiding drama.

heres a picture of my aunt
Unfortunately these days people like to spite each other so it has to be a controlled right or things escalate too far over trivial things.

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

A lot of buisnesses closed in my area due to imposed smoking restrictions. Your freedoms are void if the majority doesn't like them.

It's amazing to me that there is so much aggression towards smoking( something that affects the user), when alchohol goes practically unchecked(something that kills thousands of innocent people - violence, drunk driving fatalities, etc..).

The reason? More of society drinks than smokes.

Nope the reason is smoking is directly harmful to those near you. ie. every time you have to breath poluted air smoking or other) it directly effects your health (as small as it may be).
Alchohol may be the cause of harm, but it is an indirect cause where someone is influenced but not compelled to do somthing. ie. You can go drink as much as you want but it takes another action to actually harm someone.

Personally I think smoking should be banned in any public area, as it is not your right to polute the air that someone else will breath in.

I'm a smoker so I don't care so much where ppl smoke but I try to go further away smoking if there's children or other ppl who don't smoke so they don't have to breath the smoke unless if they want to

Random-Hero58 wrote:

... I don't see how smoking/non smoking areas work like in a restaurant, the smoke doesn't stay in the smoking section, so I find those pointless...

In Finland they are separated by glass in restaurant.... So they work well

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

I have a suggestion, don't go into a buisness that allows smoking if its too much for you to handle. That makes more sense to me than passing legislation that puts small buisness owners out of buisness.

EDIT: BTW, some of those buisnesses were bars.

So now it's my fault that they're dumb enough to smoke?  Are you in favour of legalising heroin?  'Cos it's much less dangerous.

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

Yeah, cause cigarettes and heroin are on the same level. LMAO!!

What's the difference?  Heroin in small does is relatively harmless.  Cigarettes are dangerous *no matter what*.  I've also never heard of a passive OD.

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

What I want to know is why it is beyond your capacity to not go into an establishment that allows this. Why must you force your ideals on everyone else.

But by smoking is said establishments they force out those who aren't into, y'know, coughing up a lung.  How is that fair on non-smokers?

Last edited by Bubbalo (2006-05-29 00:33:10)

As a pervert.......and a human being with a Y chromosome.......I feel it is my right (sometimes duty) to masturbate as frequently, and as furiously as I see fit.

HOWEVER....I would never subject anyone else to witnessing it.  It's THEIR right to go about their daily business and NOT have to see me beat my meat like an angry gorilla.

It is anyone and everyone's RIGHT to smoke as much and as excessively as they want.  It is NOT their right to subject others to the unpleasant side effects of being in the proximity of someone who is smoking.  Take it somewhere private......or at least secluded from others that would have to endure it.

KiL

PS-  Warning......warning.....this post is overflowing with TMI.  Perhaps I should have put the warning first.  Hmm......naaah.

Ok, fine.  If there were a room which was for smoking, and nothing else, and none of the smoke ever escaped that room, you could use that.  Funnily enough, noone would use it because even smokers would find it too smokey.

Cougar wrote:

Wow......you must have ran "uninstalllogicalthinking.exe"

In small doses, it is.

Bubbalo wrote:

How can you gaurrantee that smoke won't escape?

Besides which, does this mean I can start a bar in which anyone I don't like gets beaten with a baseball bat?

Many businesses support the push to ban smoking, as it allows them to kick out smoker without worrying about losing business.  After all, it's the law.

If your dumb enough to walk into the smoking section of a resturant and sit down as opposed to asking for a non-smoking seat, then you deserve to get lung cancer.  Now shut up.

Cougar wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Are you in favour of legalising heroin?  'Cos it's much less dangerous.

Wow......you must have ran "uninstalllogicalthinking.exe"

Actually......physiologically speaking.......heroin IS much less dangerous than many drugs.  Science has been hard pressed to find any solid evidence that long term heroine use is permanently damaging to any organ systems (at least, that was the consensus the last time I did the research a couple years ago....and I readily admit that said research could now be discounted).

My understanding is that the biggest physical danger associated with heroin usage is very simply overdose.  Heroin addicts grow to need their high so intensly, and so quickly, that their judgement goes out the window.  Instead of injecting slowly and methodically as they did when the first started.......the shove the needle in, and pump away.  Within moments a large bolus of heroin reaches the brain at once, and very quickly causes respiratory depression to the point of death (ie, your brain stops telling your lungs to breath, and you suffocate).

Another very physiologically "safe" illicit drug is LSD believe it or not.  The toxic level of LSD is absolutely out of this world.  If I remember correctly you have to take some thousands of hits to actually reach toxic levels.  It is also low on the addiction scale, because the body very rapidly adjusts to it.....and within a few days of usage LSD no longer exerts its effects.  This leads to the typical pattern of LSD usage to be a "weekend release" type of drug abuse for those that use it regularly.  After a hard week at work....the go out for the weekend and trip out on acid.........after which they are back to their normal routine for the rest of the week.  I also believe that LSD, due to the tiny amount that is required for the desired effect......has relatively little physiological repercussions on organ systems.  This is in contrast to other halucinogen type drugs as MDMA (ecstasy)......which cause permanent destruction of serotonin receptors in the brain, and likewise lead to lifetime states of depression (not to mention hyperthermia and tachycardia which can lead to sudden death).  Serotonin is responsible for regulating a lot of pleasure sensations in the brain.  If your brain loses its receptors for serotonin, you begin to lose you ability to experience emotional satisfaction.

I will say, in terms of LSD usage.......it is still highly dangerous due to the often TERRIFYING halucinations that result, which can lead users to suicide, or so emotionally scared from the experience that they are never the same again.

Well anyway, that was my lecture on the Psychopharmacology of Abused Drugs.  Class dismissed.

KiL

PS-  As mentioned, much of the "facts" I have presented may well be outdated.  Scientific research changes so often, and my study into the subject was years ago in undergrad.  So, before you take my word for anything......DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF.  Also keep in mind that I am in no way promoting the usage of any illicit drug in any form ever.  I think it's stupid.....always.  I am just trying to provide an unbiased and hopefully factual representation of some commonly used illicit drugs. 

PPS- I also realize that this post has gone vastly off the original topic.  If you've got a problem with it, go shoot some heroin, drop some acid, and chill out (jk...seriously, don't do any of that).