BF2S Forums Transgender people are now allowed into the military

Jay wrote:

They're joining the military to get their sex change operations done on the public dime. Fuck that. Let them serve but make them pay for their own operations.

Which is completely different from joining the military to get their degree on the public dime.

Jay wrote:

They're joining the military to get their sex change operations done on the public dime. Fuck that. Let them serve but make them pay for their own operations.

you are literally an fucking idiot and a real moran

As a separate argument, I also think they are mentally ill and need therapy, not organ removal. But that's a personal choice on their part, and for them to make, not me. It also doesn't impact how I feel about reassignment in the military.

Last edited by Jay (2016-12-17 03:35:33)

uziq wrote:

i hope you realise that the majority of people who identify as transgender have no interest in undergoing sex-change surgeries, either. that's not what transgender means. that's called being a transexual (and even then there are a large number of people in this latter category who have no desire to get their dicks removed, or whatever).

not to mention the pretty much baseless claim that there's this huge cynical group out there who are joining the military 'just' to get the surgery paid for.

not to mention this is coming from a guy who joined the military completely quite without the whole 'warrior ethos' himself, for selfish reasons of advancement.

I served with women who only joined to have kids for free. They joined, found a husband, stayed perpetually pregnant, and got out. That was their goal and they followed through. Any time something is 'free' it will be exploited.

And like I said, if they want to serve, I don't have a problem with it. I was in the DADT army, but I knowingly served with gay and lesbian people and it wasn't a big deal (aside from one pervert in basic training who liked to sit on the bench outside of the shower room). I'm sure some of them cross dressed on the weekends too, shrug. I simply draw the line at paying for surgery/therapy that is entirely elective. I don't want to pay for boob jobs either.

Last edited by Jay (2016-12-17 03:52:10)

You could just say 'I agree'.

uziq wrote:

i should agree with you? i have no problem with transgender people in the military or in any walk of life. most of them are just young people who have read too many tumblr blogs and self-identify with some tortuous neologism. they're just as able-bodied and mentally stable as any redneck hetero out of galveston.

the idea that transgender people are using the military for free cosmetic surgery is dumb. you, on the other hand, did run the sums and decided it would be worth it to kill goat herders in the middle east so that you could get your air conditioning certificate. who is more morally reprehensible?

Do you honestly think I install and service air conditioner for a living? That's so funny. You really are a liberal arts turd.

Jay wrote:

The whole purpose of the military is to fight wars or be ready to fight them. It serves literally no other function.

Sounds to me like the members don't need a degree after they've left then.
How does it help them kill Arabs for Israel if they get it after the fighting is over?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2016-12-17 05:01:11)

You're against other people getting a benefit when you feel entitled to get a benefit for yourself.

Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

Jay wrote:

They're joining the military to get their sex change operations done on the public dime. Fuck that. Let them serve but make them pay for their own operations.

you are literally an fucking idiot and a real moran

Why? The whole purpose of the military is to fight wars or be ready to fight them. It serves literally no other function.

You were even in the military and still aren't aware of the humanitarian efforts that militaries can provide.

Just delete your fucking account now. Dear god.

jay still likes to pretend he's a libertarian edgelord. he comes out with severe sounding sentences cause it helps him think he's being some hard realist philosopher-type who sees things in their plain colours. the pessimistic and 'disenchanted' (scare quotes) outlook helps him self-justify his own selfish and avaricious life story. he has the collected works of machiavelli in a fine leather binding on his book shelf. readers digest were offering it in 3 vols with reasonable monthly payments.

Jay wrote:

The stipulation for earning the GI Bill was completion of my contract and an honorable discharge. I traded 4 1/2 years of my young adult life for meager pay and a college education. I'm really not understanding the criticism here. Did you trade 5% of your life for your education?

see my above remarks about jay's experience being the universal measure. he STRUGGLED for his education. how can anyone else even understand? everyone else with a degree got it with their eyes closed – soft-bellied liberals who don't know the value of GRAFT. oh, you went to a better college than me? you had privilege. jay alone is HEROIC. witness the pathetic and sorry story of the SELF-MADE MAN.

you are THE petit-bourgeoisie. you will always be impoverished in spirit.

Last edited by uziq (2016-12-17 05:19:02)

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

You're against other people getting a benefit when you feel entitled to get a benefit for yourself.

Does your company offer any education benefits? Mine offers a few grand per semester if I want to take continuing education courses or masters courses. The stipulation is that I have to earn at least a B. It's a pretty standard perk.

The stipulation for earning the GI Bill was completion of my contract and an honorable discharge. I traded 4 1/2 years of my young adult life for meager pay and a college education. I'm really not understanding the criticism here. Did you trade 5% of your life for your education?

So why shouldn't transgender people take some free surgery if that's the deal apparently on the table?
Degree or surgery - Who are you to take other people's decisions for them?

Did I trade 5% of my life to get an education? No of course not, I didn't grow in a Heinleinian militarist utopia which required me to sign up for foreign combat to get a basic education.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2016-12-17 05:19:51)