that's why we in russia don't really want to become a part of your "elsewhere".Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe in Russia, elsewhere crimes are decided by statute, and everyone is equal under the law, including the govt.
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Bit different. Person's working for or members of government can be charged with criminal offence but you can't really charge a government with a crime as they are a legal person. How are you going to imprison a government lol.Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe in Russia, elsewhere crimes are decided by statute, and everyone is equal under the law, including the govt.
For example murder is a crime, if the govt does it its still a crime.
He should have thought about that before trying to become a hero.Jaekus wrote:
He wants to stay alive, or at least not end up in Gitmo.
Do you know how many former intelligence officials have leaked information and not gone to prison for it? Here is a list.Cybargs wrote:
Ghandi and MLK weren't exactly spooks either.
edit: also Snowden won't ever get a public trial as this shit deals with espionage. completely different situation macbeth and you know it.
As long as government workers don't commit crimes they'll be perfectly safe.Shahter wrote:
that's why we in russia don't really want to become a part of your "elsewhere".Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe in Russia, elsewhere crimes are decided by statute, and everyone is equal under the law, including the govt.
as i said, enjoy your snowdens. i'm sure every government worker is very happy doing service for you knowing that at any time some cretin may decide to fuck him up, simply because "evil government".
really? of course, every assange and manning always takes all the nececcary pre-cautions not to fuck up someone who's not responsible for "crimes" committed by the "evil government". oh, wait, they couldn't possibly take those pre-cautions because they don't have all the info...Dilbert_X wrote:
As long as government workers don't commit crimes they'll be perfectly safe.Shahter wrote:
that's why we in russia don't really want to become a part of your "elsewhere".Dilbert_X wrote:
Maybe in Russia, elsewhere crimes are decided by statute, and everyone is equal under the law, including the govt.
as i said, enjoy your snowdens. i'm sure every government worker is very happy doing service for you knowing that at any time some cretin may decide to fuck him up, simply because "evil government".
oh, nemtsov's dead? halle-fucking-luia, another berezovsky's ass-clown bites the dust. good riddance!
that's quite a statement. and your evidence? - let me guess, you have about as much of it for this as you had for "wmd's in iraq", right? and for "bin laden in afghanistan"? and for "malasian boeing shot down by separatists" in ukraine? i thought so.DesertFox- wrote:
Yeah, he's dead, from a targeted murder certainly as a result of his opposition politics.
that's like Mitt Romney dying right before the election next to the Pentagon/Congress.Shahter wrote:
that's quite a statement. and your evidence? - let me guess, you have about as much of it for this as you had for "wmd's in iraq", right? and for "bin laden in afghanistan"? and for "malasian boeing shot down by separatists" in ukraine? i thought so.DesertFox- wrote:
Yeah, he's dead, from a targeted murder certainly as a result of his opposition politics.
well, have a nice day.
exactly.Cybargs wrote:
that's like Mitt Romney dying right before the election next to the Pentagon/Congress.Shahter wrote:
that's quite a statement. and your evidence? - let me guess, you have about as much of it for this as you had for "wmd's in iraq", right? and for "bin laden in afghanistan"? and for "malasian boeing shot down by separatists" in ukraine? i thought so.DesertFox- wrote:
Yeah, he's dead, from a targeted murder certainly as a result of his opposition politics.
well, have a nice day.
you don't get it. ask yourself, how many times have you heard about nemtsov before? not many? you know why? - he was a political nobody. his ratings where basically non-existent (if anything, he was bitterly hated for being a part of gaidar's "shocking therapy" programs which left a lot of people completely ruined during yeltsyn's times), he lost every and all elections to all meaningful posts he ever run for - in a shell, he was about as dangerous to putin (who's current approval ratings are over 80%) as a fruit fly.Either this shows that the security situation in russia is fucking bullshit or putin offed the guy. I'd go for both.
right.RTHKI wrote:
old chemical weapons count right
absolutely, especially so if one takes into account that nobody but a very small number of liberal-minded cretins gave any fucks.Cybargs wrote:
You must admit Shahter its oddly suspicious that a member of the opposition died.
why should putin - or anybody else for that reason - have provided any special security for the fucker?Whether it was done by Putin's inner circle or purposely had not been provided the security necessary, it's not exactly a good look.
uh-huh.I know putin has massive political advantage in Russia, but leadership does dumb things despite them being ahead in popularity (look at watergate with nixon).
watDX wrote:
Its funny, outside Russia opposition politicians very rarely find themselves with four bullets in their back, polonium in their tea etc.
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Ok buddyabsolutely, especially so if one takes into account that nobody but a very small number of liberal-minded cretins gave any fucks.
Because as a member of government they get security detail especially if there's a real risk their life is at risk? If someone sends me death threats, you can bet the cops would take more notice and watch my house if the threat is dangerous enough.why should putin - or anybody else for that reason - have provided any special security for the fucker?
nemtsov? member of the government? O_oCybargs wrote:
Because as a member of government they get security detail especially if there's a real risk their life is at risk?
maybe nemtsov didn't ask to be watched? maybe he didn't want to be watched dilly-dallying with that bitch? i dunno. and honestly, i don't care.If someone sends me death threats, you can bet the cops would take more notice and watch my house if the threat is dangerous enough.
"Snowden was asked in a January 2014 interview about returning to the U.S. to face the charges in court, as Obama had suggested a few days prior. Snowden explained why he rejected the request: "What he doesn't say are that the crimes that he's charged me with are crimes that don't allow me to make my case. They don't allow me to defend myself in an open court to the public and convince a jury that what I did was to their benefit. … So it's, I would say, illustrative that the President would choose to say someone should face the music when he knows the music is a show trial."[83][266] Snowden's legal representative, Jesselyn Radack, wrote that "the Espionage Act effectively hinders a person from defending himself before a jury in an open court, as past examples show," referring to Thomas Drake, John Kiriakou and Chelsea Manning. Radack said that the "arcane World War I law" was never meant to prosecute whistleblowers, but rather spies who sold secrets to enemies for profit. Under this law, she states, "no prosecution of a non-spy can be fair or just."[267]"SuperJail Warden wrote:
He should have thought about that before trying to become a hero.Jaekus wrote:
He wants to stay alive, or at least not end up in Gitmo.Do you know how many former intelligence officials have leaked information and not gone to prison for it? Here is a list.Cybargs wrote:
Ghandi and MLK weren't exactly spooks either.
edit: also Snowden won't ever get a public trial as this shit deals with espionage. completely different situation macbeth and you know it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Tamm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russ_Tice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Fellwock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official)
These were just cases in the 21st century. They all stood around and accept the consequences of their actions and none of them did any prison time.
If you're quoting Fox News then I can't take you seriously.
Litvinenko wasn't a politician, but an FSB officer.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its funny, outside Russia opposition politicians very rarely find themselves with four bullets in their back, polonium in their tea etc.
Kinda odd that someone was able to access such a specific nuclear material only state entities can obtain to murder someone.Shahter wrote:
who gives a fuck? he was poisoned, and then objective and independent western media reported it in such a way that to any freedom loving person it's obvious that it's evil putin who personally gave litvinenko an enema laced with polonium.
Was he not a member of the legislative? That makes him a member of the government even though he was in opposition.nemtsov? member of the government? O_o
