BF2S Forums [Star Citizen]

RTHKI wrote:

oculus rift

you own one? i don't even care about 3d screens/cards.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-07-10 18:01:24)

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

if you'd asked me for $5000 before bf2's release i would have said 'no'. who the fuck forwards $5k towards a game? jesus i remember the days when people would complain about a game having a retail price of £50. crowd-sourcing is a web2.0 gimmick that lets shit projects get off the ground that would never find expert/industry investment, or else rips off people's good faith to fund shit that should be kept business-side.

again i look forward to this thread blooming

You sadist.

I agree that it's ludicrous for someone to spend $5000, (and much more,) to fund a game concept but I disagree that just because something didn't find industry investment it is a waste of time. Crowdsourcing is a mixed bag so far, and it should be remembered that it is still in early days. On one hand it does give a chance to very poor projects. Look at Steam Greenlight and the sort of shit that gets okay'd for sale because a few people liked the general idea. Most of them turn out to be broken messes which just adds to the clutter. But on the other hand I do think there are some genuinely good ideas that deserve a chance. Crowdsourcing is essentially investment by another more accessible means anyway, if someone's pitch is good enough to get people interested enough to part with their money then good for them.

I think community-backed projects are positive particularly in regard to things that industry and business have given up on. Star Citizen is a good example; it's a PC-focussed AAA space combat simulator. The industry isn't interested in that; they don't think there's a market for it, it poses a risk, and it's much safer to just churn out action-shooters. But I think it's been fairly well proven that consumers are interested and through their willingness to part with their money earlier in exchange for token rewards, (like shiny bronze cards,) will result in, hopefully, a good product that everyone can enjoy.

Or it'll crash and burn, whatever. You risk as much as you're comfortable with losing.

did you even read

ty, my problem with projects that ask for sums in excess of a $1000 bucks (or even $100 bucks) is that the investment model depends on hype, PR, marketing, presentation, gullibility. i'm all for the theory of 'decentralized' investment, taking power for game development away from big investors and publishers, but really the crowd-sourcing thing is a very poor alternative. i'm sorry, but someone that debits $5000 from their bank account for a game they've never seen or played even in the remotest demo-stage is a fucking idiot. you wouldn't buy a car for that much money without going to see it or sit behind the wheel. you wouldn't pay rent for a flat for that much money without checking the heating works and the bed is comfortable. people who pay these sums are basically having their good faith (gullibility in the pessimistic case of the game industry) extorted.

the projects that get off the ground are normally those that have slick campaigns and make all the right appeals to 'true pc gam0rz' and 'omg fuk tha console haterz' type rhetoric. they gain a groundswell on sites like reddit and it becomes a 'cool' thing to say you have donated to so-and-so. very seldom do they ever deliver. they put more effort into preliminary sketches and wild ideas than they do game design. the paper drawings for this game here look 1000x better than the stodgy in-game footage, which looks like an animation sequence you'd find on a PS2 era game. it feels like a ponzi scheme to me.

anyway i'm sure you'll get your monies worth

Cisse wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

It sounds like a pay to win game, if the quality of your ship is based on how much $ you fork over.

Better ship doesnt necessarily mean you will be better than lesser ships. This isnt wow where a level 10 will always beat a level 5 no matter what, dog fights will be decided mostly on the skill of the pilot and the way they have configured their ship

i preferred the WoW system though. everyone talks about 'skill' games but often that ends up being terrible design. linear MMO's with traditional fighting are still infinitely more satisfying than guild wars 2 with its 'gear doesn't matter! everyone is equal! all skill!' talk. you have to have reaaaaally compelling combat for things like levels/gear to 'not matter'. like it or not, that sort of thing is an important motivating carrot for people to want to continue playing (gear, loot, spoils).

Combat in Star Citizen has been described as "Rock, Paper, Scissors". There's no "ultimate" build as something can always best something else through the shear amount of customisation available.

Star Citizen didn't need crowdfunding - Chris Roberts had investors planned, but wanted to see how much the community pledged so he could ask the investors for less money, therefore giving them little input into the outcome of the game.

Hangar module has just been released





Awesome.

But can you fly Kerbals with it.

My computer is too old to run the hangar. It could probably choke out enough power to play it at some level but my 9800GTX+ video card isn't DX11 compatible so I'm out of luck. I wanted to have a look around my 300i, Aurora, and Hornet but the many Youtube videos suffice.

The Freelancer actually looks like the most complete ship at the moment. It's a pretty attractive ship too even though it looks like a dildo in profile. The cargo space is great and the living quarters seem quite cosy and neat for the dedicated explorer. The guns are awesome too. Plus the cargo bay door! It opens! And closes! Excitement!

Thought CIG's roll-out of the Voyager Direct store was a clusterfuck.

"Here's 5,000 credits so you can play around with and test the features. But we're pricing things well outside of this so basically all you can do is buy a poster or a lamp. But don't worry you can pay us money to give you more credits. But remember; it only for those who want a reason to pledge further, it's not a method for us to make money."

Talk about a mixed message.

Edit: Bugger it, bought a GPU to boost my machine today. A fairly inexpensive one, I hope it gives me at least another year out of this thing. Star Citizen Hangar seemed as good a reason to do it than anything Got to see my ships. I can run it as slow as fuck, performance improves a bit if you play it for a while. Despite the graphical glitches it is very impressive to see things so polished so soon.

My Hornet:



Cockpit:

I have a five year old PC that's getting to be on its last legs but I don't want to buy a whole new machine at the moment - and certainly not for a virtual gallery of immobile spaceships. I would rather build a new PC when the game is released, when better components are cheaper, and when there is likely to be more of a need than a want. However my PC probably wasn't going to last the distance and buying an inexpensive but better graphics card now provides a bit of a boost to make this thing last at least another year. Now my aged PC is running better than ever, its life has been increased, I don't need to worry about any big upgrades right away, and I get to take part in this whole hanger dealie as things get added to it over the next few months. I felt it was a pretty solid move.

Anyway in 2008 I bought a whole new machine earlier than I otherwise would have to play Far Cry 2, I don't exactly have the best record when it comes to this stuff. I'm just thankful I only bought a damn card this time.

Not sure of a cut off date but if you want to be involved in the alpha there are still 28k places left according to the homepage

Get pledging bitch

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/