Jay
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Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


That isn't nearly the same as throwing bananas at people or yelling insults on trains. A racial preference for dating is something that is all over the world. Puerto Ricans don't imprison and abuse each other over how light or dark they are. Come on.
No, but it severely impacts job opportunities and social status.
No it doesn't. Not there. Everyone sees each other has the same thing. Like I said before, this is projecting American racial set up. In the U.S. that may be the case but that doesn't exist south of the border.
Ok. When I was in San Juan, I saw a lot more light skinned people than I did when I was driving out to the east coast among the cinder-block homes...

There is a shit load of poverty on that island, and from what I saw, it's not equally distributed across skin shades.
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Uzique The Lesser
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Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

That isn't nearly the same as throwing bananas at people or yelling insults on trains. A racial preference for dating is something that is all over the world. Puerto Ricans don't imprison and abuse each other over how light or dark they are. Come on.
No, but it severely impacts job opportunities and social status.
No it doesn't. Not there. Everyone sees each other as the same thing. Like I said before, this is projecting American racial set up. In the U.S. that may be the case but that doesn't exist south of the border.
chavez was the most elected politician in the history of modern democracy. why? he's the first guy that the natives thought they could get an equal representation out of. but no, of course, "everyone sees each other as the same thing". okay. keep drinking the kool aid.

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DrunkFace
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American think everything is racist. It's absurd.

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DrunkFace wrote:

American think everything is racist. It's absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIhf41ctkM
they didn't even have the decency to explain the context of the ad =.=

West indies vs Australia cricket game happening at the time, explains why aussie is sat in a match with a ton of black people. hell it'd be more racist if the ad is full of white people watching cricket in the west indies.
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coke
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Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

American think everything is racist. It's absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIhf41ctkM
they didn't even have the decency to explain the context of the ad =.=

West indies vs Australia cricket game happening at the time, explains why aussie is sat in a match with a ton of black people. hell it'd be more racist if the ad is full of white people watching cricket in the west indies.
Love how they push the entirely American stereotype of the fried chicken thing in there.
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Interracial Sex and Commingling

The Arab-Spanish-Latin American pattern was far more permissive of interracial sex and incorporating racial differences, but, Moore adds, not without its own light-skinned hierarchy. Moore asserts that racial mixing was a very normal occurrence in the Arab world; socially acceptable racial mixing, however, only goes in one direction. Moore postulates the existence in Latin America of a "racial philosophy of eugenics" that encourages a "unilateral … sexual commingling between white [or light skinned] males and the females of the physically conquered and socially inferior race."

Like the classification of "colored" in the former Apartheid South Africa, which was ranked as a higher class than the pure African, Moore sees the mixed race "mulatto" in Arab and Latin American society as a higher class than the purebred African or Indian. "The mulatto has a particular rank in society. In Arab societies there are all sorts of ranks. There are infidels, those who are believers, and the mulatto category which is viewed as a ladder for ascension."

The racial mixing that took place in Latin America that was socially acceptable, Moore said, was only between white males and the black or American Indian females.

According to Moore, the possibility of a black or American Indian man having sex with a white woman would have been destabilizing to the state because the black or American Indian penetrating the female would have been viewed as flipping the established racial hierarchy on its head.

Mixed race children from white fathers and dark mothers were totally accepted into society, according to Moore. In each generation males are expected or permitted to marry females of their own skin color or darker. "The production of a stable intermediary swarthy white type is very important to the Latin-Arab model of race relations. It is so important that the state encourages it." Moore views this as "the sexual enslavement of black women by the conquering white males."

The First Slaves in the Americas Were Imported from Spain

The system developed in Iberia under Arab rule was exported to the Americas as part of the Spanish and Portuguese conquest in the sixteenth century. Moore says that the Portuguese and Spanish added American Indians to their already-enslaved black populations brought from Iberia. “The first black slaves that came to the Americas were not slaves from Africa, but black slaves that came from the Iberian Peninsula, who spoke Portuguese and Spanish."

Moore told the audience that the Northern Europeans, “inventors of Apartheid," have traditionally feared the black person, while Europeans from the Iberian Peninsula, as well as their descendants in Latin America, have no such fear. As he put it, "in the U.S. one drop of black blood makes someone black. In Latin America one drop of white blood makes you white."

When Spain and Portugal conquered vast parts of Latin America, Moore said, they established a black slave trade, continued the mixing of the races with white Europeans at the top of the social ladder and American Indian and African descendants at the bottom. Whites lived in close physical proximity to black and American Indian populations, however those of a white European ancestry (Spanish and Portuguese) had the political and economic power. The lightness or darkness of one’s skin strongly affected one’s social rank.

The Rules of the Subtle Race Game

Moore recalled that Hollywood wanted to make a film about Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. They had cast an African American in the role, only to have to pull the plug on the project when Sadat objected to a black man portraying him. Sadat, being the leader of Egypt, considered himself white, according to Moore. Moore said there are black-looking Arabs and Latin Americans who consider themselves white because they have some distant white ancestry. “The only problem is when they go to New York."

Moore expressed some concern about the implications for race relations in the United States posed by the increasing immigration from Mexico and Latin America. While he clearly regarded the often overt racism of the North as perhaps even more objectionable than the Arab-Spanish form in the South, he saw a particular problem in the general Latin American denial of race as an issue. This has made it socially disreputable to raise demands for reform in Latin America around race issues.

Moore concluded by expressing the hope that these new Latin American immigrants will not import their Arab-Latin American model of race relations, as with it comes a false color blindness. To Moore, the U.S. model of dealing with race, while far from ideal, enables groups to make demands on society, and to be able to work for change.
oh and here's south american football racism. today. in the 21st century. stop talking about british banana throwing, one time, on the terraces, in 1980.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot … 85002.html

i guess that settles it macb. the banana test has been passed with flying colours.
coke
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Yeah remember in South America the word negro is a friendly term of endearment.
Cybargs
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coke wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

American think everything is racist. It's absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIhf41ctkM
they didn't even have the decency to explain the context of the ad =.=

West indies vs Australia cricket game happening at the time, explains why aussie is sat in a match with a ton of black people. hell it'd be more racist if the ad is full of white people watching cricket in the west indies.
Love how they push the entirely American stereotype of the fried chicken thing in there.
like Australians know stereotypes of black people in the states. if they're picking that for racism, they should bitch about coon cheese

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Macbeth
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Jay wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Jay wrote:

No, but it severely impacts job opportunities and social status.
No it doesn't. Not there. Everyone sees each other has the same thing. Like I said before, this is projecting American racial set up. In the U.S. that may be the case but that doesn't exist south of the border.
Ok. When I was in San Juan, I saw a lot more light skinned people than I did when I was driving out to the east coast among the cinder-block homes...

There is a shit load of poverty on that island, and from what I saw, it's not equally distributed across skin shades.
Like I said before, there are class issues. But no one sees the wealth divide as a racial problem because there is no racial animosity. Darks are a little worse off yeah. But they don't suffer racial and social exclusion based on their color. It is really that simple. Compare that to the U.S. and tell me who has better race relations.
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If, like me, you are addicted to football then South America is the place to be. During my two years of living and working in Argentina and travelling extensively around the region, the passion and frenzied enthusiasm for the beautiful game was almost infectious.

What was a little harder to stomach however, was the attitude towards race on the playing fields and football stadiums of countries like Argentina and Uruguay. The statement by Luis Suarez on Tuesday that, "in my country negro is a word we use commonly, a word which doesn't somehow show any lack of respect and is even less a form of abuse," certainly raised a wry smile and brought back some vivid and uncomfortable memories of my time watching football in South America.
yeah nobody notices race in south america
Uzique The Lesser
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it's a shame you're not smart enough to go to this for summer school macb

http://www.summer.harvard.edu/courses/r … -caribbean

maybe if you were white you'd have the brain capacity. dilbert will be able to console you. you're probably a better runner!
Cybargs
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

If, like me, you are addicted to football then South America is the place to be. During my two years of living and working in Argentina and travelling extensively around the region, the passion and frenzied enthusiasm for the beautiful game was almost infectious.

What was a little harder to stomach however, was the attitude towards race on the playing fields and football stadiums of countries like Argentina and Uruguay. The statement by Luis Suarez on Tuesday that, "in my country negro is a word we use commonly, a word which doesn't somehow show any lack of respect and is even less a form of abuse," certainly raised a wry smile and brought back some vivid and uncomfortable memories of my time watching football in South America.
yeah nobody notices race in south america
my argentine commerce teacher told me he was called el negro (or as he explained it "blackie") at work because he was darker than everyone else (he's an engineer). everyone else had a strong euro background. yeah race isn't an issue in latin america at all. it wasn't offensive or anything, but having euro heritage does give you a leg up on the social status.
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Similarly, when teams from countries like Brazil or Colombia, which have large black populations, visited Argentina to play fans wanting to insult their black players would use the term "negro". I can still recall standing in the Estadio Monumental in Buenos Aires, where Colombia had defeated Argentina 5-0 in a World Cup qualifier for the 1994 finals. The mainly black Colombian subs, who spent the match being called "negros" ended up ripping up the bench and throwing pieces of it at the crowd.

In 2010, I was in South Africa with thousands of South Americans at the World Cup and rarely was the word "negro" used in reference to the local population for fear that it may offend.

In my time following South American football, whenever the word "negro" has been used in relation to a person of African descent it is usually meant to offend and is received that way also. The word remains acceptable so long as it is not used in reference to a black person. And as the debate continues on what Suarez actually meant, there is one thing that we can all agree on: Patrice Evra is black.
let's all harp on the UK's race relations because a banana was thrown onto a pitch in 1980. you do realize we embrace black players on our national football squad, right? they are role models. we have black footballers presenting all of our football-news and commentary. they are celebrity figures. is it the same in race-oblivious south america, today? sounds like it. right on. pass the bong.
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

Similarly, when teams from countries like Brazil or Colombia, which have large black populations, visited Argentina to play fans wanting to insult their black players would use the term "negro". I can still recall standing in the Estadio Monumental in Buenos Aires, where Colombia had defeated Argentina 5-0 in a World Cup qualifier for the 1994 finals. The mainly black Colombian subs, who spent the match being called "negros" ended up ripping up the bench and throwing pieces of it at the crowd.

In 2010, I was in South Africa with thousands of South Americans at the World Cup and rarely was the word "negro" used in reference to the local population for fear that it may offend.

In my time following South American football, whenever the word "negro" has been used in relation to a person of African descent it is usually meant to offend and is received that way also. The word remains acceptable so long as it is not used in reference to a black person. And as the debate continues on what Suarez actually meant, there is one thing that we can all agree on: Patrice Evra is black.
let's all harp on the UK's race relations because a banana was thrown onto a pitch in 1980. you do realize we embrace black players on our national football squad, right? they are role models. we have black footballers presenting all of our football-news and commentary. they are celebrity figures. is it the same in race-oblivious south america, today? sounds like it. right on. pass the bong.
not to mention lewis hamilton being the first black dude to win an F1 championship. england so racist amirite.
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a black dude from a very poor background, i hasten to add. in america he'd be in jail becuase he was caught one time with a thimbleful of marijuana.
Macbeth
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You can keep posting quotes from God knows where but it doesn't change the fact that racial attitudes are much more relaxed in the southern Americas compared to everywhere else in Western world. It is just a fact that people across all groups down there are content with the racial configuration.
Uzique The Lesser
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people are content with the racial configuration? the configuration where the white/euro-derived elites still run the show? yeah i'm sure all those people in shanty towns are cool with the racial configuration. why exactly are british people not "cool" with the UK's "race configuration"? i'm confused. race seldom ever comes up as a topic or news issue here.
coke
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Macbeth wrote:

You can keep posting quotes from God knows where but it doesn't change the fact that racial attitudes are much more relaxed in the southern Americas compared to everywhere else in Western world. It is just a fact that people across all groups down there are content with the racial configuration.
Racial attitudes are more relaxed as in people just ignore everyday racism, such as referring to black people as negroes. Ok cool.
Macbeth
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For the 10th time, class issues do not translate into racial issues because there isn't any racial animosity. You keep looking at it and thinking that everyone sees themselves by British identity terms. It is not like that.
Uzique The Lesser
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why are you insisting that the race thing is "british identity terms"? in britain, everyone is 'british'. we are a multicultural society. race as a prime part of identity politics is an american thing, for the 10th time. in britain, people define themselves by their class. in america, people define themselves by their race. pointing out racial tensions in south america, like the overt use of the term "negro" as an insult, is not "imposing british terms". a british citizen isn't really pigeonholed by his race. you should really leave new jersey sometime.
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Uzique The Lesser wrote:

why are you insisting that the race thing is "british identity terms"? in britain, everyone is 'british'. we are a multicultural society. race as a prime part of identity politics is an american thing, for the 10th time. in britain, people define themselves by their class. in america, people define themselves by their race. pointing out racial tensions in south america, like the overt use of the term "negro" as an insult, is not "imposing british terms". a british citizen isn't really pigeonholed by his race. you should really leave new jersey sometime.
Even applying to universities in the US they'd ask your race. Only thing that ever mentioned race in Australian university application is whether or not your aboriginal or torres straight islander. In the US you have a whole list of "Race and Ethnicity" shit you fill out. Guess which country is more obsessed about race lol.
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Jay
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Cybargs wrote:

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

why are you insisting that the race thing is "british identity terms"? in britain, everyone is 'british'. we are a multicultural society. race as a prime part of identity politics is an american thing, for the 10th time. in britain, people define themselves by their class. in america, people define themselves by their race. pointing out racial tensions in south america, like the overt use of the term "negro" as an insult, is not "imposing british terms". a british citizen isn't really pigeonholed by his race. you should really leave new jersey sometime.
Even applying to universities in the US they'd ask your race. Only thing that ever mentioned race in Australian university application is whether or not your aboriginal or torres straight islander. In the US you have a whole list of "Race and Ethnicity" shit you fill out. Guess which country is more obsessed about race lol.
Affirmative action and diversity obsession are to blame.
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coke wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

American think everything is racist. It's absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaIhf41ctkM
they didn't even have the decency to explain the context of the ad =.=

West indies vs Australia cricket game happening at the time, explains why aussie is sat in a match with a ton of black people. hell it'd be more racist if the ad is full of white people watching cricket in the west indies.
Love how they push the entirely American stereotype of the fried chicken thing in there.
Oh Christ I remember discussing this when it came out. There are the misguided fools who think racism is "pretty much anything acknowledging that races exist". Luckily we BF2s-ers had a worldly population to point out the ridiculousness of it.
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who wrote those subtitles
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