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lowing never owned a Ruger AFAIK

Uzique The Lesser wrote:

yeah because africa has oxbridge level institutions

Thats the point really.

Uzique wrote:

Intelligence is the sole phenotype unsullied by the effects of evolution, oh wait, so is behaviour

Show your work.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-03-26 04:02:18)

looool yeah. because africa doesn't have an oxbridge - see!?!? proof of the african's intellectual inferiority. how about YOU "show your work" for that one. you're the one spouting racist ideology in a thin veneer of gcse biology. africa not having oxbridge level universities has nothing at all to do with history, or politics, right? it's just because they're a bunch of apes! i doubt they could even build a fine gothic chapel!!!

Dilbert_X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Intelligence is the sole phenotype unsullied by the effects of evolution, oh wait, so is behaviour

Show your work.

what about them jews. tons of nobel prize winners are jews, highest per capita of population.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Intelligence is the sole phenotype unsullied by the effects of evolution, oh wait, so is behaviour

Show your work.

let's have a look at your work, first:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

The connection between race and intelligence has been a subject of debate in both popular science and academic research since the inception of intelligence quotient (IQ) testing in the early 20th century.[1] There is no widely accepted formal definition of either race or intelligence in academia, nor is there agreement on IQ's validity as a gauge of intelligence.[2] Historically, claims that races differed in innate intelligence were used to justify colonialism, slavery, Social Darwinism, and eugenics. After losing favor in the postwar period, the idea of racial differences in innate intelligence was revived by Arthur Jensen in 1969 and drew public attention following the publication of The Bell Curve in 1994. Any discussion of a connection between race and intelligence involves studies from multiple disciplines, including psychology, anthropology, biology and sociology.

The American Psychological Association has said that while there are differences in average IQ between racial groups, there is no conclusive evidence for environmental explanations, nor direct empirical support for a genetic interpretation, and that no adequate explanation for differences in group means of IQ scores is currently available.[3][4] The position of the American Anthropological Association is that variation in intelligence cannot be meaningfully explained by dividing a species into biologically defined races.[5] According to a 1996 statement from the American Association of Physical Anthropologists, although heredity influences behavior in individuals, it does not affect the ability of a population to function in any social setting, all peoples "possess equal biological ability to assimilate any human culture" and "racist political doctrines find no foundation in scientific knowledge concerning modern or past human populations."[6]

oh right, okay. great work dilbert. you know, the more and more you post, the more and more i am genuinely surprised you didn't become an academic yourself.

Uzique wrote:

The American Psychological Association has said that while there are differences in average IQ between racial groups....heredity influences behavior in individuals

Thank you, apart from the inevitable foray into phrenology, you've proved my point.

On the rest of it - the discussion is ongoing and the jury is not yet out.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

The American Psychological Association has said that while there are differences in average IQ between racial groups....heredity influences behavior in individuals

Thank you, apart from the inevitable foray into phrenology, you've proved my point.

On the rest of it - the discussion is ongoing and the jury is not yet out.

i think you missed the important part that says "there is no solid definition of 'race' or 'IQ' that has any validity", or the part that said "there is no empirical or genetic justification for the trends". or perhaps the part that said it is equally as valid to argue for environmental factors as hereditary factors. all of which you conveniently gloss over, to bolster your racist beliefs. which are just that - beliefs. there is no solid scientific backing for it.

i think it's laughworthy in-itself that you are using an IQ as the 'ultimate' measure of global intelligence. lol. that's just a basic presupposition you are making that needs a little highlighting.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-03-26 04:30:24)

well i think if you're going to try and claim that all "africans" are genetically dumb and racially inferior when it comes to intelligence, you should at least have a scientific and objective definition of what an "african" is. at least do the poor dumb apes that service. otherwise, how does your claim stay valid? where does the dumb ape end and the wily maghreb arab begin?

and also i think it's pretty important to have a serviceable definition of 'intelligence'. the IQ test is not the be-all-and-end-all of human intelligence. you can get good at IQ tests by practicing IQ tests. it doesn't account for a whole range of thinking and methods. the IQ test is basically a western rationalists wet-dream. it is fairly narrow. how is it in any way a meaningful metric when applied to, say, an african in ghana, or a country that historically hasn't had centuries of formal post-enlightenment education? yeah, an IQ test is really effective there. so scientifically sound. clearly not, that's why everyone in the scientific community is debunking your wild little racist fantasies.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-03-26 04:38:26)

Lets say sub-saharan africa compared with any part of asia south of mongolia.

(Not including Australia, that would be blatant cheating)

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-03-26 04:43:12)

OK, include mongolia then.

Now, you can prove that - on the average - Asians are exactly as smart as Africans - using any measure you like - except IQ because you've already decided thats crap.

Go.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Now, you can prove that - on the average - Asians are exactly as smart as Africans - using any measure you like - except IQ because you've already decided thats crap.

You have heard of statistics yes?

it makes as much sense as tying intelligence and rational capacity to foot-size

No doubt there are studies linking average foot size and race, surely you're not going to challenge that, why not social behaviour and race?

perhaps there is more violence in africa, because of socio-political and historical causes

Why does it seem to follow them around the world then? Is it like some kind of tethered rain-cloud? A big kite which drops crack-babies and muder convictions?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2013-03-26 05:19:10)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Now, you can prove that - on the average - Asians are exactly as smart as Africans - using any measure you like - except IQ because you've already decided thats crap.

You have heard of statistics yes?

it makes as much sense as tying intelligence and rational capacity to foot-size

No doubt there are studies linking average foot size and race, surely you're not going to challenge that, why not social behaviour and race?

perhaps there is more violence in africa, because of socio-political and historical causes

Why does it seem to follow them around the world then? Is it like some kind of tethered rain-cloud? A big kite which drops crack-babies and muder convictions?

oh i don't know dilbert, why did crime and poverty follow africans to america? tough one that. another level playing field scenario. must be their racial dispensation towards skullduggery and crack cocaine. yes. only workable conclusion.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-03-26 05:36:38)