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Consider that you can be shot just as dead with an illegal as with a legal weapon. Always consider that a mugger may be so violent as to shoot/stab you anyway, even if you do comply with every "request."rh27 wrote:
For people who still think being allowed carrying guns to defend yourself in the street is a good idea, consider that most of the people who mug you at gun point could be using a perfectly legal weapon.
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Yes they do. If pushed far enough.Horseman 77 wrote:
it just dosen't seem to me that the people who pull out knives and threaten others will entertain the notion of turning them in. Normal people don't walk around with a knife, So it will acomplish little. One would think that law makers would have more realistic goals in mind.
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Horseman 77 wrote:
it just dosen't seem to me that the people who pull out knives and threaten others will entertain the notion of turning them in. Normal people don't walk around with a knife, So it will acomplish little. One would think that law makers would have more realistic goals in mind.
The point in doing this is that people with knives will be easier to prosecute because just having the knife on you will be a crime in itself. Think two steps ahead.mikkel wrote:
Use your head. Look at what you quoted.Horseman 77 wrote:
So will a criminal or mentally, dangerously, deranged type turn in their bad knives?
You realize this is just so much fluff, right?It's being criminalised.The link shown http://uk.news.yahoo.com/24052006/344/u … r-way.html explains how people in the uk have got until June 30th to hand any knives over to the authorities without facing punishment for possession.
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My fiancée's grandmother has a concealed weapons permit. She's not precisely what I would call neither 'normal' nor 'mentally stable'UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Yes they do. If pushed far enough.Horseman 77 wrote:
it just dosen't seem to me that the people who pull out knives and threaten others will entertain the notion of turning them in. Normal people don't walk around with a knife, So it will acomplish little. One would think that law makers would have more realistic goals in mind.
EDIT: And don't 'normal' people have permission to carry concealed guns for protection in some cities in America?
Ya, You got me here. The Cities with " Legal Conceal Carry " Laws are also the safest.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Yes they do. If pushed far enough.Horseman 77 wrote:
it just dosen't seem to me that the people who pull out knives and threaten others will entertain the notion of turning them in. Normal people don't walk around with a knife, So it will accomplish little. One would think that law makers would have more realistic goals in mind.
EDIT: And don't 'normal' people have permission to carry concealed guns for protection in some cities in America?
I see you have really buttressed your opinion with examples.mikkel wrote:
You'd be rather ignorant to think that.
So who's ignorant ?mikkel wrote:
The point in doing this is that people with knives will be easier to prosecute because just having the knife on you will be a crime in itself. Think two steps ahead.
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I noticed the complete lack of examples in your post, and figured that if you could just come in and say that you were right without backing it up, I'd be just as much entitled to it. I guess you're a hypocrite.Horseman 77 wrote:
The biggest Common denominator is the criminal. Thats a little harder to address.
You have to build prisons.
So you have to raise taxes.
No one wants them built in their neighborhood.
Then the people who are in jail say they are being discriminated against. etc.
So they do this stuff instead.
At the best it will acomplish nothing, at the worst it will make more criminals.I see you have really buttressed your opinion with examples.mikkel wrote:
You'd be rather ignorant to think that.
I believe you are. Criminalising knives might make for more harmless "criminals" in the short run, but I can assure you that it will make for much fewer violent criminals who actually commit the crimes that the law aims to lessen. You really need to think ahead, Horseman.Horseman 77 wrote:
When they made smoking Marijuana illegal, People who smoked it became a new class of criminal.So who's ignorant ?mikkel wrote:
The point in doing this is that people with knives will be easier to prosecute because just having the knife on you will be a crime in itself. Think two steps ahead.
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My feelings exactly !KingCheese wrote:
I personally would never carry any sort of weapon. I fancy my chances with my fists against most, and I can run faster than most too! I can completeley understand the self defence argument, but in the UK we pay vast ammounts of tax to fund a police force that is supposed to protect us. A knife amnesty seems like some sort of token gesture. As was asked in other posts, what sort of criminal is gonna turn his blade in? I think it's about time our police force and our government really addressed the problem of inner city violence which is spiralling out of control. Intimidation and fear have become everyday emotions for many people living in cities in England and the rest of the UK. Where does this lead? Vigilantism? Lynch mobs? Might sound extreme but it seems to me the average joe cannot count on the police force for protection. Which results in more people carrying weapons.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4420000/newsid_4425200/4425214.stm wrote:
Knives, where the blade folds into the handle, like a Swiss Army knife, aren't illegal as long as the blade is shorter than three inches (7.62 cm).
But if anyone was to use a knife like this in a threatening way then it may become an offensive weapon.
Some types of knives are illegal to everyone, however old they are:
Flick knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed. These are also called switchblades or automatic knives.
Butterfly knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings. The handles swing around the blade to open or close it.
Disguised knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside something like a belt buckle or a fake mobile phone
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Your argument is a circular and a contradiction of itself. You can't or won't grasp the points that I made and you insult, so Please refrain from addressing me in the future. OK ? We disagree. lets leave it at that.mikkel wrote:
I noticed the complete lack of examples in your post, and figured that if you could just come in and say that you were right without backing it up, I'd be just as much entitled to it. I guess you're a hypocrite.Horseman 77 wrote:
The biggest Common denominator is the criminal. Thats a little harder to address.
You have to build prisons.
So you have to raise taxes.
No one wants them built in their neighborhood.
Then the people who are in jail say they are being discriminated against. etc.
So they do this stuff instead.
At the best it will accomplish nothing, at the worst it will make more criminals.I see you have really buttressed your opinion with examples.mikkel wrote:
You'd be rather ignorant to think that.I believe you are. Criminalising knives might make for more harmless "criminals" in the short run, but I can assure you that it will make for much fewer violent criminals who actually commit the crimes that the law aims to lessen. You really need to think ahead, Horseman.Horseman 77 wrote:
When they made smoking Marijuana illegal, People who smoked it became a new class of criminal.So who's ignorant ?mikkel wrote:
The point in doing this is that people with knives will be easier to prosecute because just having the knife on you will be a crime in itself. Think two steps ahead.
My argument is neither circular nor contradictory, and I think you're the one failing to grasp the points of this thread, which is made obvious by your complete lack of valid arguments to back up your claims. I'd hate to address you any further than this, 'cause whenever we get into any sort of discussion, you seem to block everything out when you can't account for your own claims, and quite frankly, it gets tedious.Horseman 77 wrote:
Your argument is a circular and a contradiction of itself. You can't or won't grasp the points that I made and you insult, so Please refrain from addressing me in the future. OK ? We disagree. lets leave it at that.mikkel wrote:
I noticed the complete lack of examples in your post, and figured that if you could just come in and say that you were right without backing it up, I'd be just as much entitled to it. I guess you're a hypocrite.Horseman 77 wrote:
The biggest Common denominator is the criminal. Thats a little harder to address.
You have to build prisons.
So you have to raise taxes.
No one wants them built in their neighborhood.
Then the people who are in jail say they are being discriminated against. etc.
So they do this stuff instead.
At the best it will accomplish nothing, at the worst it will make more criminals.
I see you have really buttressed your opinion with examples.I believe you are. Criminalising knives might make for more harmless "criminals" in the short run, but I can assure you that it will make for much fewer violent criminals who actually commit the crimes that the law aims to lessen. You really need to think ahead, Horseman.Horseman 77 wrote:
When they made smoking Marijuana illegal, People who smoked it became a new class of criminal.
So who's ignorant ?
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Some what off topic in places but good point.[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:
In Canada, it is extremely rare to see or hear of anyone going out armed for "defense." I go out with just my clothes and my normal wallet, watch, necklace etc., I don't have to change anything. The only problem spots we have here are Edmonton and Toronto, where knife gangs have sprouted much like in Europe.
It seems these kinds of problems are related to population density, and as you get into a larger city, you get more and more problems. Well Canada has such a small pop, that most of our cities and towns don't have these kinds of problems. We do have a growing crystal-meth problem though in all cities and towns.
An interesting thing to note, is that 75% of all property crime in Oregon, a place very much like Canada, (I believe you guys call Oregon the Canada of California lol), anyway 75% of property crime (which is all crime except violent assault, rape etc.), is due to crystal-meth junkies trying to get enough cash for another fix. While this is not related to knife fighting or any of that shit, it is a scary statistic that Meth is taking over North America.
Yea but here you are talking about prevention and enforcement and its related effectiveness, which as you say in Manhattan is working - I know nothing about it. Remove that prevention and enforcement, and see what happens though.Horseman 77 wrote:
Some what off topic in places but good point.[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:
In Canada, it is extremely rare to see or hear of anyone going out armed for "defense." I go out with just my clothes and my normal wallet, watch, necklace etc., I don't have to change anything. The only problem spots we have here are Edmonton and Toronto, where knife gangs have sprouted much like in Europe.
It seems these kinds of problems are related to population density, and as you get into a larger city, you get more and more problems. Well Canada has such a small pop, that most of our cities and towns don't have these kinds of problems. We do have a growing crystal-meth problem though in all cities and towns.
An interesting thing to note, is that 75% of all property crime in Oregon, a place very much like Canada, (I believe you guys call Oregon the Canada of California lol), anyway 75% of property crime (which is all crime except violent assault, rape etc.), is due to crystal-meth junkies trying to get enough cash for another fix. While this is not related to knife fighting or any of that shit, it is a scary statistic that Meth is taking over North America.
I have not heard of meth being a big deal here. I still frequent NYC almost daily, but my experience with Drugs is Zero.
I don't really follow the population density thing as Manhattan is surely Dense yet very safe.
Nor is it strictly poverty related. Its more like Heavy drug area's. You usually have drug problems when you have poverty but not necessarily. Our Previous Mayor came down very hard on criminals and tried to totally eliminate parole for violent offenders. It did seem to do the Trick. Places that were WAR Zones 8 years ago are Very nice now. Just my personal experience.