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2013-03-01 09:14:19

#1076

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
well yes, of course all college professors are going to be liberal in their own beliefs. so what? that's what higher-education has always been, historically: LIBERAL HUMANIST. that's its over-arching ideology. it's the 'live and let live' ethos it aims to instill: big-picture thinking, historical knowledge, wisdom, tolerance, equality, empathy, etc. this is what universities are all about. of COURSE most professors are going to identify themselves as being broadly liberal. however there's a massive fucking gap between a professor identifying as 'liberal' in political belief/outlook, and professors using their lecture halls as pulpits from which to inculcate youth in OMG LIBERAL DOCTRINE. a massive gap. and yes, i know 'liberal' is used differently in america: but here you are doing exactly the thing where you semantically blur and confuse the two definitions. being a 'liberal thinker' (probably teaching a 'liberal arts' education, meanwhile) does not mean you are politically indoctrinating your students to think a certain way. only in the most vaguest sense do university educations peddle an 'ideology', and that's a paradoxical 'ideology' of open-mindedness and critical consideration.

The study was asking them about their political beliefs. You can have an open mind and vote Republican, just like you can be closed-minded and vote Democrat. What the study showed was that the people teaching courses on campus overwhelmingly believe in the Progressive ideology as represented by the Democratic party. You don't think those beliefs are passed down to their students when they spend 4+ hours a week with them, assign them homework and papers? I have conservative friends that had to completely fake their way through college, taking on a persona that wasn't theirs, just to pass courses. Most of their professors would grade them much more critically if they attempted to challenge the beliefs held by, and taught by, their professors, so they wrote papers that would please the prof instead.

Anyway, believe what you want. American faculties are dominated by draft dodgers from the 60s that stayed in college forever to avoid Vietnam. If you major in political science or sociology or stupid shit like women's studies you're basically signing up for a four year indoctrination in Progressivism. This is well known in this country.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 09:19:11

#1077

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
who would you rather have teaching a 101 class on marxism, or feminism, or evolution? a liberal, or a dyed-in-the-wool republican? think about it.

I'd rather have someone with a perspective on both sides of the issue. Frankly, most people who call themselves liberal in this country have a strong aversion to learning anything about conservative beliefs. The same holds true for conservatives. There's very few people who are willing to look at both sides critically.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 09:22:41

#1078

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

i think you're just ironically complaining about dogmatism, whilst very cleverly masking your own ideological slant and bias. it's your anti-academic/anti-intellectual-class thing coming through again, only you're trying to place yourself at this neutral-observer remove, when really all you are doing is recycling a very tired and stereotypical criticism of 'academia'. to a non-US citizen it's still quite puzzling how 'liberal' and 'progressive' automatically become negative loaded terms, deserving of contempt and derision. also i don't understand how a chart which asks whether a professor is 'liberal, democrat, or republican' means everyone who votes liberal ends up being a a supporter of the "ideology represented by the Democratic party". how are you reading that? if that supported the democratic party, surely that would be their tick? as i said, it seems to me that people voting 'liberal' in that sort of questionnaire makes them out to be the most fair-minded, and the least dogmatic. i would not want to be taught by a card-carrying democrat or republican - they are the two groups sullied with bipartisan squabbles, and party politics. liberals are relatively free-floating, by comparison.

2013-03-01 09:24:18

#1079

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

Jay wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
who would you rather have teaching a 101 class on marxism, or feminism, or evolution? a liberal, or a dyed-in-the-wool republican? think about it.
I'd rather have someone with a perspective on both sides of the issue. Frankly, most people who call themselves liberal in this country have a strong aversion to learning anything about conservative beliefs. The same holds true for conservatives. There's very few people who are willing to look at both sides critically.

this is absurd in the extreme. you want someone who has "perspective on both sides of the issue", i.e. a typical attitude expected of all responsible and senior academics, in any institution worth any respect... and yet you believe a self-declaring democrat or republican to have more "two-sided" perspective than a liberal? how does that even make fucking sense. as i said, you're just using this argument as a thinly veiled vehicle for your own political bias and ideology. nobody would rationally assert that a liberal, with no real stake in the political system, is less open-minded than a self-avowed democrat/republican.

2013-03-01 09:25:00

#1080

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Ok, here's another chart then:

https://blog.press.princeton.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gelman.jpg

The bottom right graph is relevant.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 09:27:50

#1081

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
Jay wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
who would you rather have teaching a 101 class on marxism, or feminism, or evolution? a liberal, or a dyed-in-the-wool republican? think about it.
I'd rather have someone with a perspective on both sides of the issue. Frankly, most people who call themselves liberal in this country have a strong aversion to learning anything about conservative beliefs. The same holds true for conservatives. There's very few people who are willing to look at both sides critically.
this is absurd in the extreme. you want someone who has "perspective on both sides of the issue", i.e. a typical attitude expected of all responsible and senior academics, in any institution worth any respect... and yet you believe a self-declaring democrat or republican to have more "two-sided" perspective than a liberal? how does that even make fucking sense. as i said, you're just using this argument as a thinly veiled vehicle for your own political bias and ideology. nobody would rationally assert that a liberal, with no real stake in the political system, is less open-minded than a self-avowed democrat/republican.

No, I'm not saying that declaring for a political party makes them unbiased, I'm saying it adds to the bias. There's a reason that people who stay in college the longest trend the heaviest towards the left. They agree with the already present bias.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 09:28:12

#1082

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

lunch time, ta!

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 09:28:31

#1083

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6181|London, England

Jay wrote:
lunch time, ta!

get me something too

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2013-03-01 09:29:35

#1084

pirana6: Go Cougs!; +691|6507|Washington St.

Jay wrote:
lunch time, ta!

Fuck me I just got to work an hour and a half ago. Damn

2013-03-01 09:29:57

#1085

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

right, yes, that doesn't really surprise me. but there are a whole load of explanations for that beyond "college professors indoctrinate students to be liberal ideologues". in fact, it's laughable, because graduate degrees are almost entirely self-directed. i received no 'instruction' or 'direction' from a professor during my graduate degree, and i know from researching american ivy grad schools myself that it's ditto that system in america.

all that graph shows is that people who are intellectually well-read and educated enough to think for themselves (grad students must literally in their qualification do the reading and research, think for, and form opinions by themselves) tend not to vote for the party whose image is most closely associated with the christian far-right and other forms of whackjob bigotry. hardly surprising. hardly speaks of a vast ivory tower conspiracy. college education teaches you to be free-thinking: the republican party tends to favour (and lean on) the flocks of (the lord's) sheep.

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2013-03-01 11:26:27

#1086

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Ya, the repubs are fucked up on social issues, but dems suck equally hard at economics and taxation. The problem is when you have dem leaning professors you tend to get the whole stupid package, warts and all, and it perpetuates.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 11:39:08

#1087

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

i'm sorry, but to me it seems perfectly reasonable that anyone educated to a high-enough degree will develop some independent thinking skills along with a social conscience. it only seems to follow that more highly-educated people - educated along a western educational tradition that has been rooted in humanist values for about five hundred years - will tend to vote for the political platform that, surprise surprise, promotes social fairness and just, equal policies. if the repubs are "fucked on social issues", that's likely why most discerning and socially conscionable graduates vote otherwise. not because there's a nationwide network of politically preachy professors. that's just your own political bias. it's one degree of credibility away from a tin-foil episode.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-03-01 11:41:21)

2013-03-01 11:39:51

#1088

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,978|6848|949

Vegas in 7 hours. Can't wait

2013-03-01 12:51:47

#1089

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i'm sorry, but to me it seems perfectly reasonable that anyone educated to a high-enough degree will develop some independent thinking skills along with a social conscience. it only seems to follow that more highly-educated people - educated along a western educational tradition that has been rooted in humanist values for about five hundred years - will tend to vote for the political platform that, surprise surprise, promotes social fairness and just, equal policies. if the repubs are "fucked on social issues", that's likely why most discerning and socially conscionable graduates vote otherwise. not because there's a nationwide network of politically preachy professors. that's just your own political bias. it's one degree of credibility away from a tin-foil episode.

Have you watched Macbeth over the years? He went from a weird sociopath with classically liberal ideas about the world, to a weird sociopath spouting progressive ideology in every other post.

The problem is that people have come to equate progressivism with intelligence and education. This does two things 1) progressivism becomes the pose for people who want to be thought of as intelligent and educated and 2) people who have differing values give up on going to grad school and go to work instead, providing a positive feedback loop of progressive thought in academia.

And no uzi, most people don't think. They react. They absorb whatever it is that's going on around them and react to it. Thought and reflection are very rare.

In fact, many people have their beliefs cemented in college and never even bother picking up another book in their life:

1/3 of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives.
42 percent of college graduates never read another book after college.
80 percent of U.S. families did not buy or read a book last year.

http://hotforwords.com/2011/04/11/42-of … ther-book/

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 12:59:30

#1090

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5802

Jay wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i'm sorry, but to me it seems perfectly reasonable that anyone educated to a high-enough degree will develop some independent thinking skills along with a social conscience. it only seems to follow that more highly-educated people - educated along a western educational tradition that has been rooted in humanist values for about five hundred years - will tend to vote for the political platform that, surprise surprise, promotes social fairness and just, equal policies. if the repubs are "fucked on social issues", that's likely why most discerning and socially conscionable graduates vote otherwise. not because there's a nationwide network of politically preachy professors. that's just your own political bias. it's one degree of credibility away from a tin-foil episode.
Have you watched Macbeth over the years? He went from a weird sociopath with classically liberal ideas about the world, to a weird sociopath spouting progressive ideology in every other post.

The problem is that people have come to equate progressivism with intelligence and education. This does two things 1) progressivism becomes the pose for people who want to be thought of as intelligent and educated and 2) people who have differing values give up on going to grad school and go to work instead, providing a positive feedback loop of progressive thought in academia.

And no uzi, most people don't think. They react. They absorb whatever it is that's going on around them and react to it. Thought and reflection are very rare.

In fact, many people have their beliefs cemented in college and never even bother picking up another book in their life:
1/3 of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives.
42 percent of college graduates never read another book after college.
80 percent of U.S. families did not buy or read a book last year.
http://hotforwords.com/2011/04/11/42-of … ther-book/

I haven't changed. Was always super left when it comes to a lot of social issues. Still a hawk. Still economically moderate.

2013-03-01 13:01:58

#1091

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i'm sorry, but to me it seems perfectly reasonable that anyone educated to a high-enough degree will develop some independent thinking skills along with a social conscience. it only seems to follow that more highly-educated people - educated along a western educational tradition that has been rooted in humanist values for about five hundred years - will tend to vote for the political platform that, surprise surprise, promotes social fairness and just, equal policies. if the repubs are "fucked on social issues", that's likely why most discerning and socially conscionable graduates vote otherwise. not because there's a nationwide network of politically preachy professors. that's just your own political bias. it's one degree of credibility away from a tin-foil episode.
Have you watched Macbeth over the years? He went from a weird sociopath with classically liberal ideas about the world, to a weird sociopath spouting progressive ideology in every other post.

The problem is that people have come to equate progressivism with intelligence and education. This does two things 1) progressivism becomes the pose for people who want to be thought of as intelligent and educated and 2) people who have differing values give up on going to grad school and go to work instead, providing a positive feedback loop of progressive thought in academia.

And no uzi, most people don't think. They react. They absorb whatever it is that's going on around them and react to it. Thought and reflection are very rare.

In fact, many people have their beliefs cemented in college and never even bother picking up another book in their life:
1/3 of high school graduates never read another book for the rest of their lives.
42 percent of college graduates never read another book after college.
80 percent of U.S. families did not buy or read a book last year.
http://hotforwords.com/2011/04/11/42-of … ther-book/
I haven't changed. Was always super left when it comes to a lot of social issues. Still a hawk. Still economically moderate.

You probably don't even realize it. Your posts and opinions have changed dramatically since I started posting here and you started attending Rutgers.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 13:03:48

#1092

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5802

The hotforwords girl has a segment on Bill O'Reilly

2013-03-01 13:04:45

#1093

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Ya, it's a shitty article to link to, I couldn't find the one I originally wanted that showed how like 5% of the population buys 90% of the books etc. It's older and got buried by google over the years

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 13:06:09

#1094

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5802

Jay wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Jay wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
i'm sorry, but to me it seems perfectly reasonable that anyone educated to a high-enough degree will develop some independent thinking skills along with a social conscience. it only seems to follow that more highly-educated people - educated along a western educational tradition that has been rooted in humanist values for about five hundred years - will tend to vote for the political platform that, surprise surprise, promotes social fairness and just, equal policies. if the repubs are "fucked on social issues", that's likely why most discerning and socially conscionable graduates vote otherwise. not because there's a nationwide network of politically preachy professors. that's just your own political bias. it's one degree of credibility away from a tin-foil episode.
Have you watched Macbeth over the years? He went from a weird sociopath with classically liberal ideas about the world, to a weird sociopath spouting progressive ideology in every other post.

The problem is that people have come to equate progressivism with intelligence and education. This does two things 1) progressivism becomes the pose for people who want to be thought of as intelligent and educated and 2) people who have differing values give up on going to grad school and go to work instead, providing a positive feedback loop of progressive thought in academia.

And no uzi, most people don't think. They react. They absorb whatever it is that's going on around them and react to it. Thought and reflection are very rare.

In fact, many people have their beliefs cemented in college and never even bother picking up another book in their life:

http://hotforwords.com/2011/04/11/42-of … ther-book/
I haven't changed. Was always super left when it comes to a lot of social issues. Still a hawk. Still economically moderate.
You probably don't even realize it. Your posts and opinions have changed dramatically since I started posting here and you started attending Rutgers.

I am sure they haven't. Can you give some examples? I think the only thing that has changed is that you hate me for some reason now so of course I seem to have changed.

2013-03-01 13:08:21

#1095

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5802

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Vegas in 7 hours. Can't wait

Keep us updated.

2013-03-01 13:51:04

#1096

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6528

Just got my letter of offer for a job in the public sector. I keep my current position and nothing changes except salary and job tenure.

Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/ebug122

2013-03-01 14:55:47

#1097

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

rutgers doesn't exactly strike me as a snooty and elite place full of left-wing progressives. isn't it a state college? i really don't understand where this perception comes from of 'certain' colleges and academia turning everyone into pseudo-elitist progressives.

2013-03-01 14:59:51

#1098

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

Uzique The Lesser wrote:
rutgers doesn't exactly strike me as a snooty and elite place full of left-wing progressives. isn't it a state college? i really don't understand where this perception comes from of 'certain' colleges and academia turning everyone into pseudo-elitist progressives.

You don't live in America.

It's not 'certain' colleges, it's almost all.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2013-03-01 16:34:56

#1099

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6933

Jay wrote:
Uzique The Lesser wrote:
rutgers doesn't exactly strike me as a snooty and elite place full of left-wing progressives. isn't it a state college? i really don't understand where this perception comes from of 'certain' colleges and academia turning everyone into pseudo-elitist progressives.
You don't live in America.

It's not 'certain' colleges, it's almost all.

It's also got to do with the class you take. You can see the huge contrast in Development studies and business studies on "how to improve the livelihood of 3rd world countries." All the dev kids spew how awesome NGO's are and how evil corporations are. Business kids are like meh whatevs make money.

My worst experiene so far was a poltiics in globalization course... which was mostly anti-globalization. every discussion about globalization pretty much went into how negative it is and how white people are getting paid less because of globalization. seriously, my prof threw up a graph in a lecture showing the slowing growth rate of "real income" in australian households in the past 20 years, WHEN WEVE BEEN MORE RICH THAN WE EVER HAD.

https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png

2013-03-01 20:10:33

#1100

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6933

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$25 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday,March 2, 14:07:46 AET 2013
Table Yaren ( Real Money )
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9/9
seat 1: esnullvier1 ( $11.62 USD )
seat 2: el_bluffo07 ( $25 USD )
seat 3: K.Gnom ( $25.32 USD )
seat 4: slapshot2011 ( $11.18 USD )
seat 5: Baksuz11 ( $26.49 USD )
seat 6: cybargs ( $63.63 USD )
seat 7: Riemann1 ( $24.80 USD )
seat 8: suw1001 ( $18.82 USD )
seat 9: RandomWins ( $25.52 USD )
cybargs posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
suw1001 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to cybargs [ 9d, Ks ]
RandomWins folds
esnullvier1 raises [ $0.50 USD ]
el_bluffo07 folds
K.Gnom folds
slapshot2011 folds
Baksuz11 calls [ $0.50 USD ]
cybargs calls [ $0.40 USD ]
suw1001 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Qh, 8h ]
cybargs bets [ $0.70 USD ]
esnullvier1 calls [ $0.70 USD ]
Baksuz11 folds
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cybargs checks
esnullvier1 bets [ $1.25 USD ]
cybargs raises [ $4.10 USD ]
esnullvier1 calls [ $2.85 USD ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
cybargs bets [ $3.50 USD ]
esnullvier1 folds
cybargs does not show cards.
cybargs wins $14.29 USD

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