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2012-10-12 19:33:18

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5772|Toronto

I'm in the process of getting my Portuguese citizenship through my Portuguese mother, and had a few questions as to how the right to live and work in any other EU member state works, specifically in the case that you want to live in Europe with someone you are not married to. It had been mentioned to me that in some circumstances these rights to live and work can be extended to a gf/bf, yet I have been unable to definitively pin whether it would be a possibility for me. So, the question:

In what circumstances (if any) do EU citizens' rights extend to a non-citizen who is the partner of, but not married to, an EU citizen?

Background:

Me and GF want to take an extended working vacation to Europe after our degrees, likely for a year. I will be able to obtain citizenship, she will not. We've been dating for 2 1/2 years at this point, and by the time this happens it will be around 4. We have never lived together, making a common-in-law marriage work-around not an option.

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2012-10-12 19:36:03

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|6900|UK

no idea about your gf but with your portuguese passport you can do whatever the fuck you want across the EU

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2012-10-12 19:41:52

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5407|Sydney

Can only go by what happens here, so this may not apply to you but if you're in a relationship with someone from another country you have to go through an involved application for residency, which is then reviewed two years later at which time you can apply for a permanent status. This has happened with a couple friends of mine (mate is Aussie, his gf is Colombian).

So basically if it is a similar law in EU by that stage you would think you would have enough back history and time with your gf to have make a strong case for her to gain residency and live with you.

2012-10-12 19:50:59

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5772|Toronto

Jaekus wrote:
Can only go by what happens here, so this may not apply to you but if you're in a relationship with someone from another country you have to go through an involved application for residency, which is then reviewed two years later at which time you can apply for a permanent status. This has happened with a couple friends of mine (mate is Aussie, his gf is Colombian).

So basically if it is a similar law in EU by that stage you would think you would have enough back history and time with your gf to have make a strong case for her to gain residency and live with you.

I have some knowledge as to how the residency process works, but do not know much about the time line. Residency is less the issue, as we are really only looking into the matter to avoid having to apply for year-long work visas which place us at the whim of an employer. You lose it, you're fucked. I can earn her a visitor's visa that last 3 months if it does happen, which may be enough time to get another work visa, but really, it's not a situation I want to have to deal with.

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2012-10-12 19:55:54

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5407|Sydney

So like a sponsored visa by the employer? If it's a good employer then obviously you're onto a good thing. I knew a French guy who was working here for over four years until he fucked up and lost his job, and subsequently had to return to France. But I can see how that is a bit of a dice roll.

2012-10-12 20:07:37

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5772|Toronto

Jaekus wrote:
So like a sponsored visa by the employer? If it's a good employer then obviously you're onto a good thing. I knew a French guy who was working here for over four years until he fucked up and lost his job, and subsequently had to return to France. But I can see how that is a bit of a dice roll.

Exactly what she would be forced to get, yeah.

She has an engineering degree in infrastructure engineering from the best engineering program in the country (not refuted, U of T Engineering Science), some work experience in transportation engineering, speaks 3 languages, and by the time we go over will have an MA in Urban Planning. I If she can't get a 1 year work visa doing some menial task, I don't know who would. We only need work to meet bare minimum needs, and even then we both have substantial savings and support to fund the trip if we need it.

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2012-10-12 20:41:23

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6541

How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.

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2012-10-12 20:42:38

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

bugz wrote:
How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.

Under UK nationality law you can get UK citizenship.

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2012-10-12 20:51:45

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5772|Toronto

bugz wrote:
How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.

Yep, although embassies are harder to come by. Go to a consulate with either your mother or father, their long-form (this is important, cannot just be a card) birth certificate issued in the UK, their UK passport, their Canadian passport, and potentially their marriage license to prove you are their son (Portuguese didn't require this, but friends have told me they needed it for other citizenships). Beyond this, your own long-form birth certificate, and your Canadian passport. They can pretty well start the process on the spot with these documents.

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2012-10-12 20:55:25

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5587|London, England

Apparently I'm American for life (just checked to see if I could claim swedish or german citizenship). There are worse things I suppose.

No norwegian from my wife either

Last edited by Jay (2012-10-12 20:57:49)

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2012-10-12 21:01:09

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6541

Pochsy wrote:
bugz wrote:
How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.
Yep, although embassies are harder to come by. Go to a consulate with either your mother or father, their long-form (this is important, cannot just be a card) birth certificate issued in the UK, their UK passport, their Canadian passport, and potentially their marriage license to prove you are their son (Portuguese didn't require this, but friends have told me they needed it for other citizenships). Beyond this, your own long-form birth certificate, and your Canadian passport. They can pretty well start the process on the spot with these documents.

They emigrated to Canada when they were 3 and 6 so they don't have a UK passport. I'm pretty sure they both have their birth certificate saying they are British subjects.

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2012-10-12 21:02:40

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

bugz wrote:
Pochsy wrote:
bugz wrote:
How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.
Yep, although embassies are harder to come by. Go to a consulate with either your mother or father, their long-form (this is important, cannot just be a card) birth certificate issued in the UK, their UK passport, their Canadian passport, and potentially their marriage license to prove you are their son (Portuguese didn't require this, but friends have told me they needed it for other citizenships). Beyond this, your own long-form birth certificate, and your Canadian passport. They can pretty well start the process on the spot with these documents.
They emigrated to Canada when they were 3 and 6 so they don't have a UK passport. I'm pretty sure they both have their birth certificate saying they are British subjects.

If they were British Citizens by birth and not by descent, you should be able to get UK citizenship as long as they can PROVE they were UK citizens.

2012-10-12 21:03:01

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5587|London, England

Aren't you still commonwealth? I cant imagine theyd give you a hard time

2012-10-12 21:04:29

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

Jay wrote:
Aren't you still commonwealth? I cant imagine theyd give you a hard time

They're still separate sovereign states. In fact Australia deports UK citizens the most who overstayed their visa xD

2012-10-12 21:10:28

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5772|Toronto

bugz wrote:
Pochsy wrote:
bugz wrote:
How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.
Yep, although embassies are harder to come by. Go to a consulate with either your mother or father, their long-form (this is important, cannot just be a card) birth certificate issued in the UK, their UK passport, their Canadian passport, and potentially their marriage license to prove you are their son (Portuguese didn't require this, but friends have told me they needed it for other citizenships). Beyond this, your own long-form birth certificate, and your Canadian passport. They can pretty well start the process on the spot with these documents.
They emigrated to Canada when they were 3 and 6 so they don't have a UK passport. I'm pretty sure they both have their birth certificate saying they are British subjects.

I don't think you'll have a problem, but it may be required that they be passport holding citizens. I really have little idea as to how UK citizenship works, or what the distinction between a subject and a citizen and a passport holder is (if any), but if they were born there, you're golden.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2012-10-12 21:16:13

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6945

Pochsy wrote:
bugz wrote:
Pochsy wrote:

Yep, although embassies are harder to come by. Go to a consulate with either your mother or father, their long-form (this is important, cannot just be a card) birth certificate issued in the UK, their UK passport, their Canadian passport, and potentially their marriage license to prove you are their son (Portuguese didn't require this, but friends have told me they needed it for other citizenships). Beyond this, your own long-form birth certificate, and your Canadian passport. They can pretty well start the process on the spot with these documents.
They emigrated to Canada when they were 3 and 6 so they don't have a UK passport. I'm pretty sure they both have their birth certificate saying they are British subjects.
I don't think you'll have a problem, but it may be required that they be passport holding citizens. I really have little idea as to how UK citizenship works, or what the distinction between a subject and a citizen and a passport holder is (if any), but if they were born there, you're golden.

Just because you don't have a passport of a country doesn't mean you're not a citizen. As long as your parents can prove UK citizenship through other means eg certificate of citizenship or birth, you'll be golden.

British Subjects are not UK citizens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_na … ationality

2012-10-12 21:17:02

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5407|Sydney

Pochsy wrote:
bugz wrote:
Pochsy wrote:

Yep, although embassies are harder to come by. Go to a consulate with either your mother or father, their long-form (this is important, cannot just be a card) birth certificate issued in the UK, their UK passport, their Canadian passport, and potentially their marriage license to prove you are their son (Portuguese didn't require this, but friends have told me they needed it for other citizenships). Beyond this, your own long-form birth certificate, and your Canadian passport. They can pretty well start the process on the spot with these documents.
They emigrated to Canada when they were 3 and 6 so they don't have a UK passport. I'm pretty sure they both have their birth certificate saying they are British subjects.
I don't think you'll have a problem, but it may be required that they be passport holding citizens. I really have little idea as to how UK citizenship works, or what the distinction between a subject and a citizen and a passport holder is (if any), but if they were born there, you're golden.

Yeah I think so too. As long as one parent is UK born I'm pretty sure that gives you UK rights too.

2012-10-12 21:18:31

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5407|Sydney

One of my mates uses his UK passport when going to UK/EU and AU passport when coming back to Aus. He said it's the most hassle-free international travel you can get as they basically glance at your passport when you go through customs and wave you through.

2012-10-15 01:57:01

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,814|6335|eXtreme to the maX

Jaekus wrote:
One of my mates uses his UK passport when going to UK/EU and AU passport when coming back to Aus.

Thats what the law of each area requires.

Pochsy wrote:
We have never lived together, making a common-in-law marriage work-around not an option.

Then I'd imagine you'll get no rights out of the EU, she'll be a tourist.

You might be lucky depending on which country you plan to visit, a quick google search threw up
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/mo … eland.html

If you are in Ireland as the spouse, civil partner or dependant of an Irish or other EEA national, or of a Swiss national, you will get a stamp 4, which means that you will not need an employment permit or business permission. When you register with the local immigration office, the Certificate of Registration (GNIB card) that you receive will be a residence document.

Edit: Here you go, she might me able to apply as 'partner'.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/EU … y%20Rights
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form%20E … %20EU1.pdf

Since its an EU treaty it should apply everywhere.

Start getting her name on electricity bills and bank statements now....

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-10-15 02:09:07)

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2012-10-15 04:07:43

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5772|Toronto

Dilbert_X wrote:
Jaekus wrote:
One of my mates uses his UK passport when going to UK/EU and AU passport when coming back to Aus.
Thats what the law of each area requires.

Pochsy wrote:
We have never lived together, making a common-in-law marriage work-around not an option.
Then I'd imagine you'll get no rights out of the EU, she'll be a tourist.

You might be lucky depending on which country you plan to visit, a quick google search threw up
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/mo … eland.html

If you are in Ireland as the spouse, civil partner or dependant of an Irish or other EEA national, or of a Swiss national, you will get a stamp 4, which means that you will not need an employment permit or business permission. When you register with the local immigration office, the Certificate of Registration (GNIB card) that you receive will be a residence document.
Edit: Here you go, she might me able to apply as 'partner'.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/EU … y%20Rights
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form%20E … %20EU1.pdf

Since its an EU treaty it should apply everywhere.

Start getting her name on electricity bills and bank statements now....

All great information, thanks for digging it up. Some of the links provided helped me find this site which neatly summarizes what I'll have to do:

http://www.visabureau.com/uk/family-per … rried.aspx

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2012-10-15 05:38:28

Camm: Feeding the Cats.; +761|5197|Dundee, Scotland.

bugz wrote:
How did you approach the citizenship portion? Is it something you have to do through the embassy? Both my parents were born in the UK. If the same opportunity is offered there, I'd love to get an EU passport/citizenship.

Just come here and seek asylum, then commit a crime. When they try to deport you, claim infringement on your human rights. It's been proven to wrk successfully time and time again.

for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.

2012-10-15 05:44:49

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6729|so randum

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2012-10-15 05:55:24

Camm: Feeding the Cats.; +761|5197|Dundee, Scotland.

Lol

for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.

2012-10-15 07:14:45

globefish23: sophisticated slacker; +334|6553|Graz, Austria

Better solution:
Move into the same household with her for the remaining 1.5 years and claim a civil partnership.

Best solution:
Marry her.

2012-10-15 08:34:12

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6910|Disaster Free Zone

globefish23 wrote:
Best solution:
Marry her.

That's never the best solution to anything.

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