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2012-04-19 05:03:11

#1051

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6949|St. Andrews / Oslo

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Prosecution is seriously using his character's name and WoW's relatively minor violence for character assassination? God help anyone in Norway playing GTA with a vulgar Steam name.

It's less about using it as an argument for 'WoW made him violent', and more for building up a psychological/character profile for Breivik.

The focus is on the fact that he, essentially, locked himself up on his own playing games for 16hrs pr day without external contact for over a year. He did it for three reasons, according to himself. Firstly, to isolate himself, which was critical for his planning; secondly for (in his own words) 'target practice' from war simulators (ie, learning how to shoot guns); and thirdly, because he thought he deserved it after all his hard work and upcoming suicide mission.

Says something about how long he had planned the attacks and how long they had been serious plans.

Remember, Norway has never seen a case like this - it is something completely new. The entire world is watching the court's every move - they don't want to leave a single stone un-turned, and want the ruling to be as perfect as possible, and, crucially, they want to learn as much as they can from a trial like this.

He is an extremely interesting and complex case, and they're trying their best to 'crack the code' - study him, figure him out. World of Warcraft was a massive part of his life for over a year very close to the killings, and so they want to investigate every aspect of it. I don't really blame them.

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2012-04-19 05:10:52

#1052

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6216|...

Uzique wrote:
lol s7. i stopped arena after s2-3. one of my in-game friends that i shared some teams with got gladiator in season1 and got the armored drake. i was into that for about 2 weeks but realised how shit arena was compared to bg. i've never really rated people that talk about their arena system rating to be honest. the whole thing was just flavor of the month and copy+paste builds from the web. even with 'unconventional' ones. the game put way too much stress on a style of pvp and competition that it just wasn't good at - some combos and builds were just better than others. not to mention that the introduction of resilience is possibly my least favourite technical change that WoW ever made.

none of my chars are on the armory, i just checked. probably not going to ever sub again. MoP looks like a real sick joke to me.

It was fun tbh. I hated arena at first in TBC but once I got into it in WOTLK twas great. Never got to play FOTM though. Most of the people I played with had glad one season or another but I agree that it doesn't tell you anything. This one warlock that ended up getting relentless glad (i.e. r1) on my server was absolute shit. In 5s I had to be on him & kill his pets; the guy never fakecasted, ever. I believe he did some keyboard turning as well.

Getting glad is dependant on 2 things;

connections and fotm. All you really need is some mediocre teammates that aren't idiots in the right setup.

inane little opines

2012-04-19 06:02:18

#1053

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6687

Jenspm wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Prosecution is seriously using his character's name and WoW's relatively minor violence for character assassination? God help anyone in Norway playing GTA with a vulgar Steam name.
It's less about using it as an argument for 'WoW made him violent', and more for building up a psychological/character profile for Breivik.

The focus is on the fact that he, essentially, locked himself up on his own playing games for 16hrs pr day without external contact for over a year. He did it for three reasons, according to himself. Firstly, to isolate himself, which was critical for his planning; secondly for (in his own words) 'target practice' from war simulators (ie, learning how to shoot guns); and thirdly, because he thought he deserved it after all his hard work and upcoming suicide mission.

Says something about how long he had planned the attacks and how long they had been serious plans.

Remember, Norway has never seen a case like this - it is something completely new. The entire world is watching the court's every move - they don't want to leave a single stone un-turned, and want the ruling to be as perfect as possible, and, crucially, they want to learn as much as they can from a trial like this.

He is an extremely interesting and complex case, and they're trying their best to 'crack the code' - study him, figure him out. World of Warcraft was a massive part of his life for over a year very close to the killings, and so they want to investigate every aspect of it. I don't really blame them.

have you read his manifesto? i have. he talks about call of duty more as a 'training' simulator than world of warcraft. WoW to me sounds like a form of asocial escapism - the "isolation" part. the dumb thing was that in your court-room the prosecution tried to use the fact he had the in-game titled of 'justicar' as some sort of 'telling' indication of his character. 1,000's of people have that title and did not attempt to get it because of its literal meaning of 'justice giver'. people get justicar because it's a notable achievement and gives you in-game prestige. those are the motivations for getting that title. the court tried to construe that he got that title (which takes 1,000's of hours of work in pvp) just because it compliments his racist/nationalist ideology. it's absurd. it's a very contrived bit of legal reasoning and is extremely weak.

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2012-04-19 06:04:50

#1054

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6687

Shocking wrote:
Uzique wrote:
lol s7. i stopped arena after s2-3. one of my in-game friends that i shared some teams with got gladiator in season1 and got the armored drake. i was into that for about 2 weeks but realised how shit arena was compared to bg. i've never really rated people that talk about their arena system rating to be honest. the whole thing was just flavor of the month and copy+paste builds from the web. even with 'unconventional' ones. the game put way too much stress on a style of pvp and competition that it just wasn't good at - some combos and builds were just better than others. not to mention that the introduction of resilience is possibly my least favourite technical change that WoW ever made.

none of my chars are on the armory, i just checked. probably not going to ever sub again. MoP looks like a real sick joke to me.
It was fun tbh. I hated arena at first in TBC but once I got into it in WOTLK twas great. Never got to play FOTM though. Most of the people I played with had glad one season or another but I agree that it doesn't tell you anything. This one warlock that ended up getting relentless glad (i.e. r1) on my server was absolute shit. In 5s I had to be on him & kill his pets; the guy never fakecasted, ever. I believe he did some keyboard turning as well.

Getting glad is dependant on 2 things;

connections and fotm. All you really need is some mediocre teammates that aren't idiots in the right setup.

ya which is why i always roll my eyes and ignore some scrub that tries to list their arena achievements as 'proof' of their skill. people that started playing WoW in like WotLK days and thought their arena achievements made them the master of their class or something. it was an easy system that went along with the trend of instant-gratification that later WoW expansion packs introduced. i mean just the fact you could get epic gear from PvP by doing a few matches per week, as opposed to having to grind 60-75 hours... the difficulty and demand just isn't there, really.

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2012-04-19 08:56:04

#1055

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6687

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?f=po … ;sort=time

all those posts are by him. it's kinda weird to read his typical WoW player whines on the forum

Last edited by Uzique (2012-04-19 08:56:44)

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2012-04-19 09:06:35

#1056

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6216|...

Uzique wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Prosecution is seriously using his character's name and WoW's relatively minor violence for character assassination? God help anyone in Norway playing GTA with a vulgar Steam name.
It's less about using it as an argument for 'WoW made him violent', and more for building up a psychological/character profile for Breivik.

The focus is on the fact that he, essentially, locked himself up on his own playing games for 16hrs pr day without external contact for over a year. He did it for three reasons, according to himself. Firstly, to isolate himself, which was critical for his planning; secondly for (in his own words) 'target practice' from war simulators (ie, learning how to shoot guns); and thirdly, because he thought he deserved it after all his hard work and upcoming suicide mission.

Says something about how long he had planned the attacks and how long they had been serious plans.

Remember, Norway has never seen a case like this - it is something completely new. The entire world is watching the court's every move - they don't want to leave a single stone un-turned, and want the ruling to be as perfect as possible, and, crucially, they want to learn as much as they can from a trial like this.

He is an extremely interesting and complex case, and they're trying their best to 'crack the code' - study him, figure him out. World of Warcraft was a massive part of his life for over a year very close to the killings, and so they want to investigate every aspect of it. I don't really blame them.
have you read his manifesto? i have. he talks about call of duty more as a 'training' simulator than world of warcraft. WoW to me sounds like a form of asocial escapism - the "isolation" part. the dumb thing was that in your court-room the prosecution tried to use the fact he had the in-game titled of 'justicar' as some sort of 'telling' indication of his character. 1,000's of people have that title and did not attempt to get it because of its literal meaning of 'justice giver'. people get justicar because it's a notable achievement and gives you in-game prestige. those are the motivations for getting that title. the court tried to construe that he got that title (which takes 1,000's of hours of work in pvp) just because it compliments his racist/nationalist ideology. it's absurd. it's a very contrived bit of legal reasoning and is extremely weak.

You actually read that steaming pile of shit?

inane little opines

2012-04-19 09:09:19

#1057

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6687

yeah, why not?

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2012-04-19 09:17:01

#1058

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6216|...

Why should you? I flipped through some pages and chapters, from what I remember it was a badly written cry for attention. His arguments are shit.

The years he spent secluded in his basement must've significantly helped him create a warped view of himself and the world, I'll give him that.

inane little opines

2012-04-19 09:24:47

#1059

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6687

why shouldn't i? i read hundreds of pages of stuff everyday. skim-reading through the manifesto produced by one of history's biggest lonewolf terrorist isn't exactly going to break my back. it's a curiosity. who cares if it's not well written or coherent? don't you read that game of thrones shit? same question back to you.

Last edited by Uzique (2012-04-19 09:25:18)

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2012-04-19 09:31:53

#1060

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6216|...

nah I don't, I watch the series though.

I feel there's nothing compelling or interesting about the man whatsoever. At least the unabomber had some philosophically valid points + he was actually intelligent. Breivik was more like an idiot with bombs.

inane little opines

2012-04-19 12:58:37

#1061

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6988|PNW

Uzique wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
[...]
It's less about using it as an argument for 'WoW made him violent', and more for building up a psychological/character profile for Breivik.

The focus is on the fact that he, essentially, locked himself up on his own playing games for 16hrs pr day without external contact for over a year. He did it for three reasons, according to himself. Firstly, to isolate himself, which was critical for his planning; secondly for (in his own words) 'target practice' from war simulators (ie, learning how to shoot guns); and thirdly, because he thought he deserved it after all his hard work and upcoming suicide mission.

Says something about how long he had planned the attacks and how long they had been serious plans.

Remember, Norway has never seen a case like this - it is something completely new. The entire world is watching the court's every move - they don't want to leave a single stone un-turned, and want the ruling to be as perfect as possible, and, crucially, they want to learn as much as they can from a trial like this.

He is an extremely interesting and complex case, and they're trying their best to 'crack the code' - study him, figure him out. World of Warcraft was a massive part of his life for over a year very close to the killings, and so they want to investigate every aspect of it. I don't really blame them.
have you read his manifesto? i have. he talks about call of duty more as a 'training' simulator than world of warcraft. WoW to me sounds like a form of asocial escapism - the "isolation" part. the dumb thing was that in your court-room the prosecution tried to use the fact he had the in-game titled of 'justicar' as some sort of 'telling' indication of his character. 1,000's of people have that title and did not attempt to get it because of its literal meaning of 'justice giver'. people get justicar because it's a notable achievement and gives you in-game prestige. those are the motivations for getting that title. the court tried to construe that he got that title (which takes 1,000's of hours of work in pvp) just because it compliments his racist/nationalist ideology. it's absurd. it's a very contrived bit of legal reasoning and is extremely weak.

Like Uzique said, they pointed out "Justicar" like he had chosen it for a name upon character creation, with the tone of their voice indicating that it in itself is somehow a bad thing. As such, they've also indirectly defamed all the other people with the same title. Sloppy work on prosecution's part.

I can just about guarantee that this will spawn more anti-game legislation.

Shocking wrote:
I feel there's nothing compelling or interesting about the man whatsoever. At least the unabomber had some philosophically valid points + he was actually intelligent. Breivik was more like an idiot with bombs.

If you're into psychology at all or watch/read shows/texts about mass murderers, there's everything interesting and compelling about the guy, even if he isn't exactly a Greek philosopher when it comes to writing.

2012-04-19 14:26:04

#1062

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6687

i've read finnegan's wake, the rantings and ravings of some internet shut-in are np

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2012-05-15 03:53:21

#1063

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6839|Little Bentcock

this thread is banging because of this guy

2012-09-26 14:04:00

#1064

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

How many people still play this game? Not from here, but in general. Keep seeing commercials for the new expansion (no desire to play, just curious).

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2012-09-26 14:19:21

#1065

Brasso: member; +1,549|6847

i resubbed for the expansion (planned to resub before but decided just to wait until it was released)

"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"

2012-09-26 18:33:09

#1066

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6988|PNW

Jay wrote:
How many people still play this game? Not from here, but in general. Keep seeing commercials for the new expansion (no desire to play, just curious).

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+many+people+pl … f+warcraft

2012-09-26 19:34:19

#1067

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5574|London, England

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Last edited by Jay (2012-09-26 19:34:31)

2013-01-21 19:00:05

#1068

Jaekus: I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose; +957|5395|Sydney

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2013-03-27 04:38:46

#1069

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

WoW is legit one of the best games to ever come out on PC. the expansion packs though... no. cataclysm was apparently a good content revamp but an abysmal end-game experience. mists of pandaria is apparently the opposite: lame chinese-panda content, but end-game raiding is starting to pick up in difficulty again. can't say i really want to raid a bunch of china man's castles though for their firework loot, or whatever lame shit they've designed in game.

2013-04-01 20:00:38

#1070

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6839|Little Bentcock

I had a little temptation to pick it up again this past weekend. One of my friends started again a few months back, but the whole panda thing has turned me off. Plus I played like a day of cata and never agained.

2013-04-01 20:02:26

#1071

Mutantbear: Semi Constructive Criticism; +1,431|6181|London, England

Adams_BJ wrote:
I had a little temptation to pick it up again this past weekend. One of my friends started again a few months back, but the whole panda thing has turned me off. Plus I played like a day of cata and never agained.

There are so many reasons to not play wow but not liking pandas is the dumbest reason I could ever think of

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2013-04-01 20:35:34

#1072

Adams_BJ: Russian warship, go fuck yourself; +2,054|6839|Little Bentcock

Pandas is like the epitome of all the issues with wow. I thought it summarised it quite well.

2013-04-01 20:39:40

#1073

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6988|PNW

I suppose the logical followup would be to add playable cow level cows to the D3 expansion.

2013-04-01 21:44:13

#1074

Brasso: member; +1,549|6847

Adams_BJ wrote:
Pandas is like the epitome of all the issues with wow. I thought it summarised it quite well.

lol

"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"

2013-04-02 02:52:50

#1075

Uzique The Lesser: Banned; +382|4471

the thing that killed it for me was item transmutation or transmogrifying or whatever it is they called it. where anyone can look like ANYTHING they've ever picked up in the past. that just ruins the whole point of WoW (and i say that as someone who could equip all the old vanilla raiding content up to tier3, and who had access to the PvP set and PvP ranks, arguably some of the most prestigious stuff in-game thesedays). you walk into a city and the old epic feeling came from hurriedly /inspecting everyone, or seeing someone on a really rare mount, or with a legendary... and getting kinda genuinely a little ickle bit excited about it. now you walk into a city and everyone has about 50 'wow' mounts, which they got by farting in the right direction, and everyone has the best possible looking gear. even 2-3 expansions packs ago everyone was full-epic (which bothered me enough), but nowadays they've introduced lame shit where you can't even tell what someone is wearing anymore. wow. what a great MMO.

Last edited by Uzique The Lesser (2013-04-02 02:53:40)

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