BF2S Forums Gay Marriage in California

Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Shahter wrote:

"too cynical"? maybe. but the benefits that go with marriage is exactly the point for most of these people, you can be sure of that. the fact of the matter is in the modern world the whole institute of marriage is steadily becoming outdated and is only there because of government support. without that there would be no "gay marriage" issue at all.

In Aus interdependent relationships/ De Facto relationships (gays allowed too) have pretty much the same tax benefits as marriage. So any tax arguments for Australia at least (which is what dilb is getting at) is nil and void.

orly? kewl. now, if there was a way to compare the "gay marriage" issue in aus and in other places (apart from one couple mentioned by jaekus) we'd be all set.

Well give me one good reason why gay couples shouldn't deserve the same legal recognition of marriage?

Ty wrote:

And your concentration on tax matters is, to be honest, insulting. To suggest that a group would fight and face persecution for decades because they want a tax cut is too cynical even for me.

Its a factor, if it weren't a factor they wouldn't be putting it on the table and fighting for it.
Typically they're free to cohabit, no-one bothers them, what are they campaigning for exactly? Different words on a piece of paper? The govt really has better things to be doing.

Thats all Australian politics really consists of, special interest groups trying to get the best financial deal out of the govt, and the govt distributing cash in the way it thinks will buy the most votes and/or party donations at the next election.

Cybargs wrote:

In Aus interdependent relationships/ De Facto relationships (gays allowed too) have pretty much the same tax benefits as marriage. So any tax arguments for Australia at least (which is what dilb is getting at) is nil and void.

Not sure you're right there.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2012-05-14 06:48:10)

Who gives a fuck.

I've read in an e-mail that apparently the CEO of Chic-fil-A has been donating large amounts of money to anti-gay organizations and when people found out about it, all he said was "Guilty as charged".  Not really a surprise coming from somebody so religious that he shuts down his entire chain of restaurants on Sundays though

_j5689_ wrote:

I've read in an e-mail that apparently the CEO of Chic-fil-A has been donating large amounts of money to anti-gay organizations and when people found out about it, all he said was "Guilty as charged".  Not really a surprise coming from somebody so religious that he shuts down his entire chain of restaurants on Sundays though

well shit .. lets burn the motherfucker to the ground - how dare someone donate their money to what ever organization they want to ( or actually he donates to winshape foundation that supports foster-care, scholarships, summer camps )


he shuts down his entire chain on Sundays ........ you mean he gives everyone a day off or that he follows his belief of Sunday worship or that its his business and if he wants to open it on Mondays from 1pm to 1:30pm then he can ... its his

we'll probably see some cfa buildings burned

*sarcasm*

shorter lines o/ \o

In the case of donations by companies towards political groups/causes it can be argued that by donating, an employer is misrepresenting employee's views, and also that such donations can affect employee wage negotiations and even be thought of as a form harrassment/ill-treatment.

"Sorry Mr Gay, we can't afford a wage rise this year"
"Why not?"
"Because we donated heaps of money to those people that hate gays"

Last edited by BVC (2012-07-26 18:03:57)

BVC wrote:

In the case of donations by companies towards political groups/causes it can be argued that by donating, an employer is misrepresenting employee's views, and also that such donations can affect employee wage negotiations and even be thought of as a form harrassment/ill-treatment.

"Sorry Mr Gay, we can't afford a wage rise this year"
"Why not?"
"Because we donated heaps of money to those people that hate gays"

and thats why theres discrimination laws

There is a lot of heated debate about it here at the moment, due to the issue being forced in a few weeks.

A local conservative group set up a site (protect marriage NZ) to oppose the gay marriage bill, and was promptly subject to the biggest DDoS NZ has seen.  This resulted in their hosting being suspended (to protect the host's servers), and forced them to relocate their sites to a country whose internet backbone consists of more than one 56k modem.  They and the conservative party seem to be the driving forces behind the campaign against the bill.

PMNZ's facebook page has attracted a lot of comments, mostly in support of the bill.  The have stated on said page that they want to "foster healthy debate", yet they are routinely censoring/banning posts & posters which oppose them despite not breaking any rules.  I am assuming that when they say "healthy debate", what they mean is "only post if you agree with us".

Local poll results are very similar to the results of this topic's poll; 2/3 in favour, 1/3 against.  About a third of parliament is undecided or won't say, nearly half of MPs including the prime minister have stated support.  One party has said they'll vote against it on the grounds that it should be the subject of a referendum instead, which is a blatant cop-out as they know that will never happen.

It will probably pass, but that isn't certain yet due to the large number of undecideds & wont-says.

Last edited by BVC (2012-08-02 02:20:10)