Jay wrote:
Ty wrote:
RAIMIUS wrote:
It appears he spent several months planning this. It's not like an intelligent med student can't figure out how to acquire stuff or plan an attack to his advantage (as he did). Evil? Yes. Dumb? No.
I don't know about Holmes or his motives. I don't see much intelligent planning in going into a crowded area and opening fire, especially without gaining the knowledge of how to clear a weapon stoppage. He ordered 6000 rounds online along with body armour and drum magazines but just blasted away and gave himself up to police immediately. That's not a plan, that's just a psychopathic outburst.
Certainly the guy would have been intelligent enough to follow any protocol for acquiring weapons but I question whether he would have. Would he have had the patience to go through the same sort of restrictions Breivik had to? Would he have been able to do it without raising suspicion? Would he have been so intent on his motive, (whatever it was,) to plan it more than 'order ammo, shoot people'? I don't know and couldn't say, it's all hypothetical. I will say that adding difficulty to Holmes' ability to obtain the weaponry and ammunition he used can't be a bad thing could it?
The more difficult you make something to acquire, the more willing people will become to avoid the system and turn to the black market.
13rin please don't try to form arguments, they give me a headache. Also for someone
not to bat an eyelid at a civilian buying 6000 rounds of pistol and .223 calibre ammunition and combat gear just reflects how messed up the attitudes toward firearms are in the US and how incidents like this one will keep being too frequent.
The only restriction there is on ammunition purchases is that you can't buy armour piercing rounds. Why is that? No wonder you guys think restrictions are pointless, the ones you choose to implement
are.
Jay, I agree with your point to a certain extent at least. But why is that a bad thing? Forcing criminals to look to the black market instead of waltzing into their local gun store or megastore to arm themselves is a positive as far as I see it. It's more difficult for crooks and easier to police who is acquiring their firearms illegally, one would reasonably assume to do harm. As to law abiding people who may be more inclined to go to the black market because the restrictions are 'too hard for them', fuck 'em. If they're not responsible enough to follow pretty simple regulations then they're not responsible enough to own a gun.
Look, it's a cultural difference, nothing I say is going to convince anyone and I realise that. Ban the high-capacity magazine and you'll annoy the people who like to use them to blatt off immense amount of rounds for funsies. Limit ammunition sales and you'll inconvenience people who like to go waste boxes and boxes of ammunition up in the hills. My culture would dictate that what a few find fun or inconvenient isn't worth nuts like Holmes being able to get their hands on this sort of thing as easily as they seem to, yours does. That's just how it is.
