Well... how about you going to the next recruitment bureau and volunteer for all 3 tours of duty and then some?jonnykill wrote:
I can't wait to invade Iran , Syria next and then perhaps North Korea .
Perhaps because you're the ones declaring war. Just maybe.Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Who says we need to be the example.
In a word, no.Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Im talking about the U.N. find civil rights violators. Isnt that what the U.N. was made for? enforcing global justice?
Yes, but preventing nations from going to war *is* keeping the peace, regardless of whether the war is just or not.Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
keeping the peace amoungst nations?
Moving countries isn't that easy. Besides, maybe they're patriotic and want to remain in America.Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Also the civil rights activist dont need to change america. If they dont like america move to another country. If i wanted a good social welfare system, i would move to france. I f i want open borders i would move to any country in europe.
Oh boy... jonnykill is not the brightest crayon, is he? *Sigh* I'd just like to point out that not all of us Americans share his views O_O
So civil rights need to be enforced in Iran, but not in the US? What planet are you from?Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Who says we need to be the example. Im fine with the freedoms i have now. Im talking about the U.N. find civil rights violators. Isnt that what the U.N. was made for? enforcing global justice? keeping the peace amoungst nations? Also the civil rights activist dont need to change america. If they dont like america move to another country. If i wanted a good social welfare system, i would move to france. I f i want open borders i would move to any country in europe.Bubbalo wrote:
Maybe they figure that the US can't tell other countries what to do until they have at least a semblance of fairness themselves? Lead by example, now isn't that a crazy idea!Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
THIS is where we need to be looking for civil rights violators, also why dont civil rights activist talk about this nonsense?
America. It's the planet people who speak American come from.mikkel wrote:
So civil rights need to be enforced in Iran, but not in the US? What planet are you from?
That's funny.... I thought that Nazi's were all about blond hair and blue eyes... Not too many Iranian's have those I believe.....Erkut.hv wrote:
"Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Ouch!
Wow you people like to put words in my mouth huh? I never said that, all im asking is why isnt it in iran like it is in america?mikkel wrote:
So civil rights need to be enforced in Iran, but not in the US? What planet are you from?Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Who says we need to be the example. Im fine with the freedoms i have now. Im talking about the U.N. find civil rights violators. Isnt that what the U.N. was made for? enforcing global justice? keeping the peace amoungst nations? Also the civil rights activist dont need to change america. If they dont like america move to another country. If i wanted a good social welfare system, i would move to france. I f i want open borders i would move to any country in europe.Bubbalo wrote:
Maybe they figure that the US can't tell other countries what to do until they have at least a semblance of fairness themselves? Lead by example, now isn't that a crazy idea!
damit ppl, cant you see what your government and press is doing? Pulling the wool over your eyes and building more and more bullshit stories about Iran so you will support another un-just war.
Since some civil and human rights aren't being upheld by the US, and since these cannot be upheld without changing -something-, you saying "Also the civil rights activist dont need to change america." is saying precisely what you quoted. I am not putting words in your mouth.Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Wow you people like to put words in my mouth huh? I never said that, all im asking is why isnt it in iran like it is in america?mikkel wrote:
So civil rights need to be enforced in Iran, but not in the US? What planet are you from?Lib-Sl@yer wrote:
Who says we need to be the example. Im fine with the freedoms i have now. Im talking about the U.N. find civil rights violators. Isnt that what the U.N. was made for? enforcing global justice? keeping the peace amoungst nations? Also the civil rights activist dont need to change america. If they dont like america move to another country. If i wanted a good social welfare system, i would move to france. I f i want open borders i would move to any country in europe.
Why should Israel exist ? Because it's their homeland . My question to you is why shouldn't exist ? I mean what happened to the peaceful love thy neighbor ? It's like " Oh sorry you went through a Holocaust but your Zionists so off with your head we are going to push you into the sea , sorry but it's the will of Allah." Good stuff huh ?Bubbalo wrote:
Yes:jonnykill wrote:
My mentality is that if you are the leader of a nation , call for the destruction of Israel , call the holocaust a myth , blow off the UN and all your next door neighbors and then flip off the world and make enriched plutonium for " peaceful purposes " and start to make all the non-Muslims wear arm bans like in the good old Nazi days , support /supply Islamic jihadists to kill not only American soldiers but Iraqis as well innocent civilians too - yeah , invasion . Any questions ?
1) Why should Israel be allowed to exist in it's current form?
2) How has Iran blown off the UN anymore than, say, the US?
3) Why shouldn't they make enriched plutonium for peaceful purposes?
4) Which neighbors have they pissed off?
The UN is run by Eruorwussies . It's corrupt and basically worthless . It's has some rules that are international but it seems to be up to the US to deliver the final message .
I really would have no problem at all with them making enriched plutonium . But what comes out of the presidents mouth - WTF......over . It's as if you like this guy and all the rhetoric . kill zee Jews is the message , you agree with that ?
Which neighbors have they pissed off ? Perhaps pissed off isn't the correct word . I should have said worried . But your Europeans don't seem to care much . Just keeping a low profile , if it isn't in your backyard it isn't a problem huh ? Oh well , good luck with that .
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Why should Palestine pay the cost of the Holocaust? Do you know how Zionists ensured a Jewish majority in Israel?jonnykill wrote:
Why should Israel exist ? Because it's their homeland . My question to you is why shouldn't exist ? I mean what happened to the peaceful love thy neighbor ? It's like " Oh sorry you went through a Holocaust but your Zionists so off with your head we are going to push you into the sea , sorry but it's the will of Allah." Good stuff huh ?
If it's corrupt why should Iran do as it says? And besides, I'd be careful about calling people who took the brunt of 2 World Wars Eurowusses.jonnykill wrote:
The UN is run by Eruorwussies . It's corrupt and basically worthless . It's has some rules that are international but it seems to be up to the US to deliver the final message .
Ah, yes, 'cos it's not like Bush is overly aggressivejonnykill wrote:
I really would have no problem at all with them making enriched plutonium . But what comes out of the presidents mouth - WTF......over . It's as if you like this guy and all the rhetoric . kill zee Jews is the message , you agree with that ?
So, which have they worried?jonnykill wrote:
Which neighbors have they pissed off ? Perhaps pissed off isn't the correct word . I should have said worried . But your Europeans don't seem to care much . Just keeping a low profile , if it isn't in your backyard it isn't a problem huh ? Oh well , good luck with that .
they fended off the multilateral, multidirectional invasion attempt by syria, egypt and so on in the 1960's. if your logic is palestine paying for the holocaust, why did america and european countries pay to rebuild france, who, to save it's own skin, set up a government of collaboration with the nazis in wwii. because the fact is, no matter what the government's stance, the ppl of a country still deserve human rights and a stable place to live. you are quick to villianize the ppl of isreal because u either dislike their religion or government. the same is true of americia. ppl think all americans are stupid, lazy, war mongers because of the elected government. if this is the case, i hope you see all english ppl as warmongers because of tony blair. or see all iraqis as terrorists and extreemists because of sadaam.Bubbalo wrote:
Why should Palestine pay the cost of the Holocaust? Do you know how Zionists ensured a Jewish majority in Israel?jonnykill wrote:
Why should Israel exist ? Because it's their homeland . My question to you is why shouldn't exist ? I mean what happened to the peaceful love thy neighbor ? It's like " Oh sorry you went through a Holocaust but your Zionists so off with your head we are going to push you into the sea , sorry but it's the will of Allah." Good stuff huh ?
You just lost all credability with this post . Have a good day .Bubbalo wrote:
Why should Palestine pay the cost of the Holocaust? Do you know how Zionists ensured a Jewish majority in Israel?jonnykill wrote:
Why should Israel exist ? Because it's their homeland . My question to you is why shouldn't exist ? I mean what happened to the peaceful love thy neighbor ? It's like " Oh sorry you went through a Holocaust but your Zionists so off with your head we are going to push you into the sea , sorry but it's the will of Allah." Good stuff huh ?If it's corrupt why should Iran do as it says? And besides, I'd be careful about calling people who took the brunt of 2 World Wars Eurowusses.jonnykill wrote:
The UN is run by Eruorwussies . It's corrupt and basically worthless . It's has some rules that are international but it seems to be up to the US to deliver the final message .
Ah, yes, 'cos it's not like Bush is overly aggressivejonnykill wrote:
I really would have no problem at all with them making enriched plutonium . But what comes out of the presidents mouth - WTF......over . It's as if you like this guy and all the rhetoric . kill zee Jews is the message , you agree with that ?So, which have they worried?jonnykill wrote:
Which neighbors have they pissed off ? Perhaps pissed off isn't the correct word . I should have said worried . But your Europeans don't seem to care much . Just keeping a low profile , if it isn't in your backyard it isn't a problem huh ? Oh well , good luck with that .
jonnykill... you don't make any sense. Bubbalo has ripped your "points" apart so you ignore the parts you can't answer and offer fairly irrelevant responses to the rest. And when he points it out, you put his credibility into question? I'd like to know where you learned how to argue like this...
... If you not U.S... Your shit out of luck..
I'm not quite sure...but is this the first "Debate and Serious Talk" thread that doesn't bash the United States? Or am I just missing something?
Oh, I think I've gotten in my fair share of America bashing.
No, before that. The part where Zionist terrorists slaughter innocent civilians to scare away the Muslims.ownership10 wrote:
they fended off the multilateral, multidirectional invasion attempt by syria, egypt and so on in the 1960's.
Because they chose to? Not only that, but you're blatantly wrong. There was a huge resistance movement in France to the German occupation. The Germans gathered up what collaborators they were and put them in place by force.ownership10 wrote:
if your logic is palestine paying for the holocaust, why did america and european countries pay to rebuild france, who, to save it's own skin, set up a government of collaboration with the nazis in wwii.
Sure. That right was taken away from the Palestinians.ownership10 wrote:
because the fact is, no matter what the government's stance, the ppl of a country still deserve human rights and a stable place to live.
Government.ownership10 wrote:
you are quick to villianize the ppl of isreal because u either dislike their religion or government.
In recent history America has been far more aggressive than Britain, which has only followed where America has gone first.ownership10 wrote:
the same is true of americia. ppl think all americans are stupid, lazy, war mongers because of the elected government. if this is the case, i hope you see all english ppl as warmongers because of tony blair.
Actually, I think my government's done more to portray Muslims as terrorists than I ever could.ownership10 wrote:
or see all iraqis as terrorists and extreemists because of sadaam.
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The most extensive violator of Security Council resolutions is Israel.
Should we invade?
Should we invade?
I guess I got owned and don't make any sense anymore . Gosh darn what am I to do now ?skratch-x wrote:
jonnykill... you don't make any sense. Bubbalo has ripped your "points" apart so you ignore the parts you can't answer and offer fairly irrelevant responses to the rest. And when he points it out, you put his credibility into question? I'd like to know where you learned how to argue like this...
To be honest I get tired real quick of on-line political discussions . It's a never ending argument .
My over all assessment of this guy is that he hates Israel , hates America and wants Iran to have nukes .
Why should I waste my time with him . I'm not going to change his mind and he is set in his ways and thought .
I rarely post in this section because like I said it never ends . I simply have better things to do with my time then write short novels or dissect each and every little point . I don't have the patience for it any more and when I see 6 long paragraphs on what ever the topic is I just don't even bother to read it . Most of the time it's just blah blah . In a nut shell I've had this same discussion about 10 times already . It's just beating a dead horse , and my arms are tired .
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"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."Flecco wrote:
That's funny.... I thought that Nazi's were all about blond hair and blue eyes... Not too many Iranian's have those I believe.....Erkut.hv wrote:
"Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
Don't quote me on shit I didn't say, jackass.
Either way, you're missing the point. Badges for the Juden, hooray!
You're done arguing, but you still have the time to throw in an ad hominum attack to make sure we all know who the bad guy is and who the good guy is. That's cute.jonnykill wrote:
To be honest I get tired real quick of on-line political discussions . It's a never ending argument . My over all assessment of this guy is that he hates Israel , hates America and wants Iran to have nukes .
Why should I waste my time with him . I'm not going to change his mind and he is set in his ways and thought .
Might I suggest:
Not making douchebag 5-year old remarks when you can't win arguments, or if you really believe what you just said, taking a reading comprehension class.
Maybe I'm not sure what you're talking about, but did you miss the part where it's not true?Erkut.hv wrote:
"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."Flecco wrote:
That's funny.... I thought that Nazi's were all about blond hair and blue eyes... Not too many Iranian's have those I believe.....Erkut.hv wrote:
"Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."
Don't quote me on shit I didn't say, jackass.
Either way, you're missing the point. Badges for the Juden, hooray!
Not at all, it was more of a direct line to the ass who misquoted me. I heard after I posted that it was a fake story.skratch-x wrote:
Maybe I'm not sure what you're talking about, but did you miss the part where it's not true?Erkut.hv wrote:
"This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."Flecco wrote:
That's funny.... I thought that Nazi's were all about blond hair and blue eyes... Not too many Iranian's have those I believe.....
Don't quote me on shit I didn't say, jackass.
Either way, you're missing the point. Badges for the Juden, hooray!
bubbalo, i think your religious views are getting in the way of a 2 sided discussion. if you are so worried about destroying israel because of infractions against palastine, how many muslim men should be jailed because of thier religions rampant abuse of women. every oppressor is a victim and every vicitim an oppressor at one time or another. and by the way france did have a VICHY govt set up during wwii to collaborate with the nazis, yes there was a resistance movement but u cant turn a blind eye to thier puppet govt.
"ownership10 wrote:
because the fact is, no matter what the government's stance, the ppl of a country still deserve human rights and a stable place to live.
Sure. That right was taken away from the Palestinians."
but i guess the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds in iraq never occured..i didnt see too many palestinians standing up for them.
"ownership10 wrote:
because the fact is, no matter what the government's stance, the ppl of a country still deserve human rights and a stable place to live.
Sure. That right was taken away from the Palestinians."
but i guess the ethnic cleansing of the Kurds in iraq never occured..i didnt see too many palestinians standing up for them.