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240 seems to work at distance better. Don't have the 60 yet so I don't know about that one.

Actually, aside from the PKP, all the support guns have been to use.

Last edited by -Whiteroom- (2011-11-25 17:25:39)

I feel (as in bf2) the onl class that's relly overpowerd is assualt/medicnoob , I mean:

Bf2 : medic = g36e spray fest at all ranges hit mostely everything/AK101 cqc god and awsome at range if you knew how to use it/l85a1 awsome at range (also in good hands)/ m16, not as good as the stock ak at cqc but awsome accuracy , and for some reason I just loved the burst fire m16s in bf2

Bf3: whatever class weapon you use , it's overpowerd (maybe the ak74m is fine, and I haven't seem much an94) they have their medpacks and paddles ,wich give points as hell , no medpack=noobtube wich also is fucken overkill
but in bf3 it's TOO fucken easy , in bf2 you atleast had to buy sf
I would be totally ok with them changing the stats of all assualt rifles so they require some training/knowledge to use effectively (and maybe let the famas in upcoming krk-pack to be the new f2000 lol)

medics have always been waaay overpowerd , and I've started to just adapt to it but all the bf3 assualt rifles are too much...

class wise every class rapes an insane amount except recon, which is weak because it has no extra ways of making points.

if you gave recon back the claymore or even gave it vehicle-destroying capability with c4, then the game would be balanced, class-wise.

Uzique wrote:

class wise every class rapes an insane amount except recon, which is weak because it has no extra ways of making points.

if you gave recon back the claymore or even gave it vehicle-destroying capability with c4, then the game would be balanced, class-wise.

You have the MAV m8

Lucien wrote:

All guns in BF3 are the same, it doesnt matter if you nerf one or buff another, fundamentally there's nothing more to them than 'point and hold m1'. Some just do that a little bit faster than others. It's nothing like BF2 where you had to learn to use each individual gun.

Incorrect good sir!

Out of the 3-4 viable assault rifles, each as a different spray pattern + movement deviation.  The finer details of the weapons are quite different from each other.

The finer details... Tell me, what was the difference between an ak101 and an m16? Worlds apart from the almost meaningless differences between bf3's weapons

There's skill in this game, just very, very little of it.

gurdeep wrote:

is there any way at all to be pr0 in the chopper these days? like can a good crew go FLAWLESS VICTORY?

Not Sharqi levels of rape but a good crew can take out most things in this game, even jets. Then again a decent jet pilot can be a major cunt to a chopper crew

i cant ever see any of these battlelog thingies

Uzique wrote:

The A W S M F O X wrote:

There's skill in this game, just very, very little of it.

there's a generic, all applicable fps skill, sure. the ability to point and click at things - basic hand-eye coordination. that's about all the 'skill' you need. movement nuances in this game are non-existent, and individual guns and weapons have no subtlety or learning curve whatsoever. the only skill you need is the skill that 90% of pc gamers already have from previous fps games.

To me, I play the game mostly to see how many kills I can get before dying. Thats my macro game, the micro is the little things, what guns to use, how to use them etc. I think the real skill is judging the map flow, opponents, your strengths vs their weaknesses. In BF3 these parameters are seriously flawed. There are too many supremely powerful weapons and vehicles available, combined with poor map design and basic strategy, you can dominate using very base skills and tactics. Sadly this game rewards simply camping at choke points using weapons with little to no actual skill to use. In BF2 it was a magical combination of actual playing skill using movement, experience with weapons, map knowledge and teamwork. BF3 decided to move away from that and throw megapoints and awards at you for doing unremarkable things. My style of play was a challenge in BF2, and was rewarding. Now it's dissapointing how easy it is to rack up huge scores and KDR while really doing nothing noteworthy. The only skill in this game is trying to make it just a tad as exciting as playing BF2 was.

Last edited by The A W S M F O X (2011-11-26 07:52:04)

wtf is the point of this thread?

The A W S M F O X wrote:

Uzique wrote:

The A W S M F O X wrote:

There's skill in this game, just very, very little of it.

there's a generic, all applicable fps skill, sure. the ability to point and click at things - basic hand-eye coordination. that's about all the 'skill' you need. movement nuances in this game are non-existent, and individual guns and weapons have no subtlety or learning curve whatsoever. the only skill you need is the skill that 90% of pc gamers already have from previous fps games.

To me, I play the game mostly to see how many kills I can get before dying. Thats my macro game, the micro is the little things, what guns to use, how to use them etc. I think the real skill is judging the map flow, opponents, your strengths vs their weaknesses. In BF3 these parameters are seriously flawed. There are too many supremely powerful weapons and vehicles available, combined with poor map design and basic strategy, you can dominate using very base skills and tactics. Sadly this game rewards simply camping at choke points using weapons with little to no actual skill to use. In BF2 it was a magical combination of actual playing skill using movement, experience with weapons, map knowledge and teamwork. BF3 decided to move away from that and throw megapoints and awards at you for doing unremarkable things. My style of play was a challenge in BF2, and was rewarding. Now it's dissapointing how easy it is to rack up huge scores and KDR while really doing nothing noteworthy. The only skill in this game is trying to make it just a tad as exciting as playing BF2 was.

it's the exact same experience for me. as for the 'macro' games... this sort of cognitive ability when it comes to spatial awareness and multi-levelled task processing (which is genuinely what neuro-scientists and researchers into games call it) is something that becomes second nature after a very short while. anyone that has played battlefield 2 for 100 hours can manage just fine with mentally figuring out which flags to go to, or where to run/flank/avoid on the map according to the likely distribution of players. this sort of macro is literally no hard work at all for a seasoned fps player: it's the battlefield modern day equivalent of knowing where the health and armor and weapon spawns are (and their timers) in quake-era games. nothing has changed there - especially the demands. it's much easier, in fact.

micro game has no finesse, as we have already established.

so therefore for me an average round consists in either a) using kits i know are rape to get the most lulzy high-score possible (and almost always 90% of the time coming top as mvp, with little satisfaction or real sense of achievement) or, conversely, the b) option of using a retarded kit that is more 'purist' and 'old school' but technically puts me at a huge handicap, for the sense of artificially-created 'challenge'. this option normally becomes very frustrating and sometimes downright unenjoyable when you have an entire enemy team stacking night-vision and f2000/suppressor combos. there's no point.