i have had tons of booze over the years and i am in good health. maybe im not human. like the terminator or something.Uzique wrote:
alcohol has far more adverse health effects than 2 MDMA pills a month
yes you were passing judgement, in a snide sneering prick of a way.JohnG@lt wrote:
Was I passing judgement? I just posted my anecdotal evidence and simply said 'watch out'. I'm not a moralizer and I certainly don't think it's the governments responsibility to tell people how they should live their lives. You of all people should be aware that there is a very fine line between recreational use and addiction if you've been in rehab three times...KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
hey john i went through rehab 3 separate times and i'm not a fuckup like some of your family, so while anecdotal tales are great and all they are by no means the standard and really you are no judge for personal responsibility.
stop being such an idiot hypocrit.you wrote:
herp derp you never had any ambition in life anyway so enjoy using anything that isn't my legal dose of alcohol herp derp
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lol at frat boy drinking. I'm 29 years old and I got my 'frat boy drinking' out of my system a good ten years ago. I drink maybe once or twice a month and that's simply in social settings with beer that I enjoy. I top out at 4 drinks a night unless it's a special occasion like New Years or my birthday. So I'm not quite a teetotaler but I also don't take it to excess because it's just not any fun for me.Uzique wrote:
talk to me in 10 years after 10 more years of your college-fratboy beer drinking: alcohol has far more adverse health effects than 2 MDMA pills a month. in 10 years i'll be just fine. as i said, 99% of people get the 'partying' out of their system whilst they're young. just because your family didn't, doesn't mean we're all doomed to the same 'fate'. i don't doubt that most of my elders in my family have used drugs recreationally when they were young, and they are all extremely successful people without a hint of trouble or turbulence in their lives. just because you're surrounded in the short-sighted experience by your own family members, doesn't mean it's a pattern that is repeating all over the world. alcoholism normally is perpetuated within families through the social-psychological effect and possible genetic predisposition... but that doesn't mean im in the same boat.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
well that's your prerogative. doesn't mean anyone deviating from that lifestyle lacks any ambition and/or is doomed to fail.
which is essentially what you said in your earlier post on the matter. how wrong you are.
which is essentially what you said in your earlier post on the matter. how wrong you are.
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That was unrelated to your drug use, just a continuation of a previous conversation and it fit so I used it. You yourself have stated that you have no ambition or desire to 'chase money' as your family has provided plenty for you. So you, more than most, can explore to your hearts content.Uzique wrote:
yes you were passing judgement, in a snide sneering prick of a way.JohnG@lt wrote:
Was I passing judgement? I just posted my anecdotal evidence and simply said 'watch out'. I'm not a moralizer and I certainly don't think it's the governments responsibility to tell people how they should live their lives. You of all people should be aware that there is a very fine line between recreational use and addiction if you've been in rehab three times...KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
hey john i went through rehab 3 separate times and i'm not a fuckup like some of your family, so while anecdotal tales are great and all they are by no means the standard and really you are no judge for personal responsibility.stop being such an idiot hypocrit.you wrote:
herp derp you never had any ambition in life anyway so enjoy using anything that isn't my legal dose of alcohol herp derp
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
that comment is implicitly loaded with the assertion that 'ambition = wanting to be rich'. what sort of pathetic petty-bourgeoisie world-view is that? that's not very libertarian of you... 'ambition' and 'life success' is measured by more than your salary and more than the car you drive. having a comfortable and fortunate start-up in life enables me to have other forms of ambition that revolve around more than climbing the economic pecking-order or trying to escape my impoverished background. it's a middle-class luxury to be able to aspire to things that aren't focussed solely around money-money-money, as well as it being a perk of the lifestyle that i can afford to experiment with these drugs, yes. but don't associate or imply 'failure' or 'lack of ambition' in ANY way to that lifestyle just because it isn't the american-dream 'rags to riches' story. that's incredibly narrowminded.
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It's simply the different perspectives that we have. I'm close to getting married and having kids, and providing a comfortable life for them is paramount to me. I'm fully willing to forgo some personal happiness if it leads to them having a better childhood, especially if it means a superior childhood to the one that I experienced. I'm well past my hedonistic past while you seem to be fully embracing it. That's fine. Nothing wrong with enjoying your youth in the slightest. Just bear in mind that one day you will have to wake up from it before it consumes you.Uzique wrote:
that comment is implicitly loaded with the assertion that 'ambition = wanting to be rich'. what sort of pathetic petty-bourgeoisie world-view is that? that's not very libertarian of you... 'ambition' and 'life success' is measured by more than your salary and more than the car you drive. having a comfortable and fortunate start-up in life enables me to have other forms of ambition that revolve around more than climbing the economic pecking-order or trying to escape my impoverished background. it's a middle-class luxury to be able to aspire to things that aren't focussed solely around money-money-money, as well as it being a perk of the lifestyle that i can afford to experiment with these drugs, yes. but don't associate or imply 'failure' or 'lack of ambition' in ANY way to that lifestyle just because it isn't the american-dream 'rags to riches' story. that's incredibly narrowminded.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
im 20 years old. i have no 'ambitions' of getting married, shacked-up and having kids yet... or in the next decade.
i can 'afford' the lifestyle i lead in every sense. it's not irresponsible, self-destructive or an addict rationalising his criminal habits.
i can 'afford' the lifestyle i lead in every sense. it's not irresponsible, self-destructive or an addict rationalising his criminal habits.
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Like I said, enjoy your youth. The only message that I've tried to give is to watch out. I've seen a lot of lives destroyed by drug use between the family members I listed and other friends. Most of them asserted that they were in control the whole time too.Uzique wrote:
im 20 years old. i have no 'ambitions' of getting married, shacked-up and having kids yet... or in the next decade.
i can 'afford' the lifestyle i lead in every sense. it's not irresponsible, self-destructive or an addict rationalising his criminal habits.
The whole 'it'll never happen to me' mentality is simply a product of youthful invincibility. I'm just offering some life lesson wisdom. Take it or leave it.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
ive had some hard knocks already from my lifestyle... but drugs were not the 'cause', nor were they the 'blame'. i'm definitely aware of the downsides of 'abuse', of all kinds. they're catalysts for psychological unhappiness/instability, that's all. i most definitely do not consider myself 'invincible' in any physical or mental sense; im not naive! but, on that basis, that is why i have argued for the decriminalisation of most controlled substances. the 'war on drugs' just furthers people's misery and causes all sorts of geopolitical problems-- politically, socially and economically. it is hugely inefficient and completely, utterly ineffective. it only serves to classify vulnerable people as 'criminals' and to treat them, for the smug benefit of the majority, as 'public examples' for a 'deviant' (i use the term skeptically) form of behaviour. the whole process only seeks to reaffirm the social self-righteousness of the mob whilst senselessly punishing and furthering the already-miserable state of addicts. the traffickers and king-pins are, as always, untouchable and far removed from the street reality of their business. none of it makes any sense.
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I'm of the each to their own opnion.
right... essentially a libertarian view, then. in that case, i take it you don't agree with others imposing their personal views on you as a private-individual? i take it you're principally opposed to somebody from a different social background with a different set of social values telling you that taking 'x' substance is prohibited and carries a punishment?
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About 10 years ago I was doing hard drugs all the time. I tired of all this self destructive behaviour, stopped taking drugs (except smoking weed, which I don't put in the same category at all) and went to uni.JohnG@lt wrote:
Talk to me in ten years. We'll see.Uzique wrote:
so because your family perhaps has some genetic or social predisposition to drug-addiction, that means everyone in the world is getting hooked and throwing their lives away? no. you're supposed to be an intelligent guy, JG, so stop sounding like an idiot. do you have any idea how many people use MDMA every single weekend? how many straight, high-performing, extremely successful lawyers use cocaine weekly to unwind? they're not collecting food stamps and living in shelters...
sorry about your family and all, but that means fuck all to me and i'm in complete control of what im doing. so are the other 99%.
I now have a lucrative career in IT.
It's about the individual, not the drugs. It's about having a bit of willpower and determination to sort your life out.
Its only the crap implementation which doesn't make sense.Uzique wrote:
ive had some hard knocks already from my lifestyle... but drugs were not the 'cause', nor were they the 'blame'. i'm definitely aware of the downsides of 'abuse', of all kinds. they're catalysts for psychological unhappiness/instability, that's all. i most definitely do not consider myself 'invincible' in any physical or mental sense; im not naive! but, on that basis, that is why i have argued for the decriminalisation of most controlled substances. the 'war on drugs' just furthers people's misery and causes all sorts of geopolitical problems-- politically, socially and economically. it is hugely inefficient and completely, utterly ineffective. it only serves to classify vulnerable people as 'criminals' and to treat them, for the smug benefit of the majority, as 'public examples' for a 'deviant' (i use the term skeptically) form of behaviour. the whole process only seeks to reaffirm the social self-righteousness of the mob whilst senselessly punishing and furthering the already-miserable state of addicts. the traffickers and king-pins are, as always, untouchable and far removed from the street reality of their business. none of it makes any sense.
Fuck Israel
Wheneleven bravo wrote:
all you gotta know how to do is know when to say when
Never really got what the big deal about getting wasted at parties is, partying itself gets boring very quickly, and its trivial to begin with.Uzique wrote:
im a nicer person at a party on speed than 99% of people will be after a 6 pack of beers, i can guarantee you that. MDMA, for example, has no addictive properties whatsoever. it's good fun. people feel the 'need' to drink alcohol after a hard week, or 'enjoy' a glass of scotch after a stressful day. which sounds like more of a repeat-addictive behaviour? i know which side i'm going with. it's just blind stigmatising of 'drug-use' because you're not fully educated or experienced on the subject. it says it all really when medical drug-experts incredulously assert that, if classified and controlled today, alcohol and tobacco would both be Class A or Class B substances. yet you 'enjoy' a drink casually and think nothing of it. well, i 'enjoy' having a heightened sense of social perception and 'enjoy' being a more social, chatty person at parties, maybe two to three times a month. which is more excessive or harmful behaviour, physically or mentally? here's a tip: it's you in the alcohol camp.
He didn't have the many advantages you've had.didn't you join the military as a basic scrub before you went to college? you were hardly the guy leaving your top private-school with honours to then enroll at harvard to undertake your groundbreaking research, whilst funded in your spare time by a macarthur grant to further your excellence in the sciences. tl;dr: fuck off with that attitude. you are no better than me in any way whatsoever.
BTW Private schools are much overrated, most people in the real world know this.
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Fuck Israel
i only made those probing comments about him because of his supercilious attitude-- i didn't care about his 'perspective' on the argument before he made them, and you know that. it's quite boring to see you follow me around the forum to continually remind me how average and unspecial i am, when i don't even claim to be any better, anyway. unless you cannot read, my final comment was: "you are no better than me in any way whatsoever"; decidedly NOT a 'i am better than you in every way so stfu' comment.
as i said to JG, most party drugs don't make you 'wasted'. you get far more 'wasted' and lose more control of your self/consciousness when you are DRUNK. people that go to parties to down two bottles of wine (which i used to do, so i can attest to it), just then end up passed out by 1am and miss the entire social-side of things. a few lines of cocaine or a line or two of speed will not make you 'wasted' or 'out of control'-- this is a common and MASSIVE misconception about drugs. i can almost guarantee that you have interacted with somebody at a pub, bar or club that have been under the influence of 'party' drugs without you even knowing. it's far more subtle on the outside/exterior than alcohol. as ive said time and time again, i'm a more chatty and sociable person on drugs; they just make the act of making conversation and having smalltalk - to borrow a word from you, 'trivial' social activities that are, when sober-minded, banal and trite - they make them engaging and interesting. you're a better person to chat to both as a participant and a receiver. that's all there is to it, really.
as i said to JG, most party drugs don't make you 'wasted'. you get far more 'wasted' and lose more control of your self/consciousness when you are DRUNK. people that go to parties to down two bottles of wine (which i used to do, so i can attest to it), just then end up passed out by 1am and miss the entire social-side of things. a few lines of cocaine or a line or two of speed will not make you 'wasted' or 'out of control'-- this is a common and MASSIVE misconception about drugs. i can almost guarantee that you have interacted with somebody at a pub, bar or club that have been under the influence of 'party' drugs without you even knowing. it's far more subtle on the outside/exterior than alcohol. as ive said time and time again, i'm a more chatty and sociable person on drugs; they just make the act of making conversation and having smalltalk - to borrow a word from you, 'trivial' social activities that are, when sober-minded, banal and trite - they make them engaging and interesting. you're a better person to chat to both as a participant and a receiver. that's all there is to it, really.
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Didn't really sound like it TBH.Uzique wrote:
my final comment was: "you are no better than me in any way whatsoever"; decidedly NOT a 'i am better than you in every way so stfu' comment
Maybe you don't realise how that comes across.you were hardly the guy leaving your top private-school with honours to then enroll at harvard
I don't doubt it, I'm saying 'partying' on a regular basis, through alcohol or whatever always struck me as pretty banal. Once you've been to a few parties and gone past the 'OMG lets put a lampshade on my head and post a pic of me wasted on facebook' stage I don't really get the excitement.i can almost guarantee that you have interacted with somebody at a pub, bar or club that have been under the influence of 'party' drugs without you even knowing. it's far more subtle on the outside/exterior than alcohol. as ive said time and time again, i'm a more chatty and sociable person on drugs; they just make the act of making conversation and having smalltalk - to borrow a word from you, 'trivial' social activities that are, when sober-minded, banal and trite - they make them engaging and interesting. you're a better person to chat to both as a participant and a receiver. that's all there is to it, really.
Fuck Israel
i enjoy parties because of the music, tbh. whether im the dj, one of my friends is the dj, or whether it's just a general good clique with an excellent music taste... there's nothing better than staying up, all-hours, dancing and enjoying music... and then, whilst coming down or sobering up, having some really good chats. i daresay ive socialised and bonded with some of my friends in a way that i would never get the opportunity to whilst ordinarily sober, tbh. i myself went past the 'drinking to get drunk' stage at about age 14. similarly with the 'make a public spectacle out of your wastedness'.
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when i go to London, imma definitely going to spend some time.
and i'm definitely going to London before i head north . . .
and i'm definitely going to London before i head north . . .
north of london? or you mean 'THE north'? there ain't nothing for no man up there... no man's land...burnzz wrote:
when i go to London, imma definitely going to spend some time.
and i'm definitely going to London before i head north . . .
... then you get to scotland. oh jeesh.
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New Iranian bomber drone
Either it's a prop and doesn't work or it would fall out of the sky before it gets over the Iranian border.
Either it's a prop and doesn't work or it would fall out of the sky before it gets over the Iranian border.
So, think there might be a second huge baby-boom when this recession's over?
Julian Assange (founder of WikiLeaks) could have some legal trouble in Sweden, apparently...
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2be03d02-b07d … abdc0.html
Not for wikileaks, but for 'molestation'.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2be03d02-b07d … abdc0.html
Not for wikileaks, but for 'molestation'.